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5 Charts That Show That Suddenly Something Is Going Wrong With The Consumer
Business Insider ^ | 11/28/11 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 11/28/2011 4:55:23 PM PST by Nachum

Today the NY Fed released its quarterly report on consumer credit, and in it is a wealth of charts on the nature of consumer debt. The charts did contain a red flag: For the first time since the recovery began, there were clear signs that in Q3, consumers started falling behind on paying their debts following several quarter of improvement. It's not across all categories, and it's not necessarily even dramatic in some cases, but it is notable for the reversal in the pattern.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: charts; consumer; debt; default; hyperinflation; monetization; oil
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To: Nachum
"For the first time since the recovery began..."

There's that lie again.


21 posted on 11/28/2011 5:17:02 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: PapaNew

Could also be that going Galt is growing.


22 posted on 11/28/2011 5:18:13 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: muawiyah
who are they borrowing from... Tony Soprano???
23 posted on 11/28/2011 5:19:22 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: MNnice

>>The credit card companies are going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. I haven’t used a credit card in years and I hear more and more people say they’re going to pay them off and go to using a debit card.<<

No need. If you pay your credit cards down to zero every month (as EVERYONE should), there is no charge. I haven’t paid a dime in interest or any charges in 20+ years. And it is good to have the credit available in case of emergency (it would have to be a heck of an emergency since I keep 6 months’ gross pay in a liquid account).

A debit card is a bit more dangerous, since it is your money. I like to use the other guy’s money for a few weeks.


24 posted on 11/28/2011 5:20:43 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012 -- the man we need at the time we need him)
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To: cripplecreek
I worked hard to pay off our home and vehicles. You know the drill. I really need a new truck but not in this economy... my truck will have to make do for a few more years... by then we either will be recovering or it will be all over for us. I refuse to go into debt while we face the future that stands before us.

LLS

25 posted on 11/28/2011 5:21:54 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: muawiyah

>>31% interest rates can do that to you.<<

I see here http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-card-interest-rate-report-1123-holiday-1276.php that the very worst credit is around 25% — the national average is around 15%

Do you have bad credit? Or did you find a particularly bad credit card servicer?


26 posted on 11/28/2011 5:32:17 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012 -- the man we need at the time we need him)
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To: SkyDancer
I’ll bet that 99% of that Black Friday money spent was using credit cards.

I work in the home office of a mid-level mall-based retailer and everyone from the office has to work at least four hours at a store on Black Friday. I spent most of my shift helping bag purchases so I got to see the transactions up close. I would say that it was about 85% credit cards, 15% cash. We had one woman who wanted to pay with a check, but the store manager told her that they don't accept them anymore. We had one declined card, but the woman just pulled out another card.

27 posted on 11/28/2011 5:35:38 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: MNnice
The credit card companies are going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. I haven’t used a credit card in years and I hear more and more people say they’re going to pay them off and go to using a debit card.

Years ago we had about five cards total. Paid them off in 2000 and have not used credit for anything, including our vehicle purchases.

We do not impulse purchase anymore but we plan for our needs and then our wants.

It was hard at first but we are so used to not having any bills, other than our utilities, that the mental burden has been totally lifted. We can never envision having debt again.

28 posted on 11/28/2011 5:39:37 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: freedumb2003

The rate is allowed ~ doesn’t matter if that’s what they charge or a lower rate.


29 posted on 11/28/2011 5:39:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Nachum

I wonder if they’re hoping for bailouts. Some might lose incentive to keep the payments up to date if they think the government will bail them out if they fall behind.


30 posted on 11/28/2011 5:39:54 PM PST by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: muawiyah

>>The rate is allowed ~ doesn’t matter if that’s what they charge or a lower rate.<<

Ah. Bigger government and more government intervention is ALWAYS a solution. And next time, you can always say 57% or 92% interest — the same logic applies.

The market will sort it out (as it has — that is why there is a big difference between good credit and bad credit risks). And, as I said in another post, if you pay it down to zero every month then the interest rate is 0%


31 posted on 11/28/2011 5:48:44 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012 -- the man we need at the time we need him)
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To: Selmore
The banks got a bailout and cleaned up their balance statement. Thats what I need

Not to mention the fatcorps and Wall Street.

Where do I sign up for my bailout, and how many bailouts we allowed?

32 posted on 11/28/2011 5:52:56 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Nachum
Ø

/nutshell

33 posted on 11/28/2011 5:54:30 PM PST by tomkat (para bellum)
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To: muawiyah

Sub-prime is like being the Johnny-on-the-spot plumber.

An extremely unseemly business to be seen in, volatile...but very lucrative.

They’ve learned the desparate are profitable.


34 posted on 11/28/2011 5:58:14 PM PST by sayfer bullets ("...and if it stops moving, subsidize it." - RR)
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To: muawiyah

Sub-prime is like being the Johnny-on-the-spot plumber.

An extremely unseemly business to be seen in, volatile...but very lucrative.

They’ve learned the desparate are profitable.


35 posted on 11/28/2011 5:58:23 PM PST by sayfer bullets ("...and if it stops moving, subsidize it." - RR)
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To: Nachum
"For the first time since the recovery began..."

I stopped reading right there. This rag just lost all credibility with that statement.

36 posted on 11/28/2011 5:59:18 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Nachum

Articles like this really get me going. The people who compose this drivel are stupid, ignorant or dishonest.In 1995 it too 3.5 percent of my take home pay to fuel my vehicle for the week. Today with a more efficient vehicle it takes 16 percent. Most of it is due to increase in prices. Some is due to less income.

Even the best of our representatives with hundreds of thousands of dollars of income refuse to understand this. I feel I am not being represented by anyone in Washington.Surely not by Democrats who consider jobs to be union and government jobs only ,also surely not by the NAFTA supporting Republican types.All of our Representatives are in the tank for big banks and businesses.This is how they get elected. This amount of money does not change hands without guarantees. We have been Sandoskied.


37 posted on 11/28/2011 6:05:49 PM PST by rsobin
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To: freedumb2003

Usury is a crime ~ always has been. It’s one of the traditional targets for vigorous state action.


38 posted on 11/28/2011 6:40:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: MNnice

I use my one cc constantly but I keep it paid off constantly also so I don’t pay any interest. I also don’t carry cash anymore so the constant drain from my pocket on chips and coffee and stuff like that has ceased. I have more at the end of the month.


39 posted on 11/28/2011 6:42:30 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
It should be called Black Friday after the first of the year when they get their credit card bills. Those of us who are more responsible with credit never showed up on Black Friday. I went to WalMart with my folks today and it was just as quiet as a mid-week in summer.

Loved the movie BTW.

40 posted on 11/28/2011 7:21:35 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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