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DREAM Act supporters outraged at teen suicide
KGBT-TV - ^ | November 28, 2011 | Daisy Martinez

Posted on 11/28/2011 7:21:11 PM PST by moonshinner_09

DREAM Act supporter and Co-Founder of the Tequila Party Movement Shirl Mora James said she’s outraged about the suicide of 18-year-old Joaquin Luna, an illegal immigrant and senior at Juarez Lincoln High School in Mission.

"Maybe it took Joaquin to sacrifice himself, to bring attention to the desperate situation that the Dreamers are in," Mora James said Monday. “These kids are American - they are Americans without status - but they are still Americans!"

Family members said despite Luna’s achievements in school and talent for design, the teen thought he would never reach his goals of becoming an engineer, and providing a better life for his family, since he didn't have a Social Security number to proceed.

"It's unfortunate, but there has been other cases where the kids get desperate (and) they give up,” Mora James said. “This one is more heart wrenching because just last year, were five votes short of passing the DREAM Act."

Cameron County Democratic Party Chair Gilberto Hinojosa said the DREAM Act does not give universal amnesty and most who have analyzed the act, agree it's fair...it's just a few “ultra conservatives” that oppose the act.

"I firmly believe that there's some racist elements to that,” Hinojosa said. “I believe they want to keep America to themselves. They don’t want this country to be the country that it's always been, that welcomes people from all over the world."

Richard Hartwell, founder of the web site Action Dream Team, which also supports the DREAM Act and provides a forum for Dreamers, said Luna’s fears of failing have much merit.

(Excerpt) Read more at valleycentral.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; dreamact; heartless; immigration; newt; perry; tx
I think there is more to this than just the dream act. They are not Americans.Mentally they may think they are but the reality is they are not citizens of this country. The parents should at this point question themselves was it really worth coming here, instead of trying to shift blame against America. We didn't bring the kid here.
1 posted on 11/28/2011 7:21:17 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

I don’t buy the story anyway.

I feel bad for the kid’s family but teen suicides are far more common than they should be and I’m guessing there were other issues that led to it.

As far as I’m concerned, these clowns should be ashamed of themselves for putting the kid out there as some kind of martyr.


2 posted on 11/28/2011 7:24:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: moonshinner_09

They are willing, of course, to use this to argue for their cause.

He really was a victim of illegal immigration.


3 posted on 11/28/2011 7:25:30 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: moonshinner_09

How sad his death is being exploited.
How sad that he didn’t just move to one of the states that give free education to illegals.
How sad he didn’t got back to Mexico and attend one of the over 300 colleges they have there.


4 posted on 11/28/2011 7:25:47 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: moonshinner_09

Tell you what; if you ALL commit suicide, we’ll give you anything you want.


5 posted on 11/28/2011 7:27:16 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The very idea of a community organizer is to stir up a mob for some political purpose." Ann Coulter)
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To: svcw

Maybe...just maybe...his parents’ decision to move here illegally and make him an illegal was causative. I mean, wouldn’t you be confused? Great parenting there.


6 posted on 11/28/2011 7:28:42 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: moonshinner_09

We beat this to death here last night. It’s all a lie. The kid more than likely had some other reason to commit suicide and the freeloading commie libs are just exploiting his suicide. Never let a good suicide go to waste.


7 posted on 11/28/2011 7:28:54 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: moonshinner_09

He did not kill himself over the DREAM Act unless he was a completely ignorant moron.


8 posted on 11/28/2011 7:28:59 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: moonshinner_09
Since 9/11 50,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens. Today is National Remembrance Day for Americans Killed by Illegal Aliens
9 posted on 11/28/2011 7:29:25 PM PST by kabar
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To: moonshinner_09

...are they outraged at the gun company? The parents of this kid? The kid himself?

Or are they mad at us?

We didn’t put the gun in his hand or pull the trigger....


10 posted on 11/28/2011 7:30:11 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: moonshinner_09
"“These kids are American - they are Americans without status - but they are still Americans!"

If you align yourself with a organization called The Race (la razza) and listen to radio stations called The Race (la razza), you will not become a USA American.

11 posted on 11/28/2011 7:31:19 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: moonshinner_09
...it's just a few “ultra conservatives” that oppose the act.

And the other 99% of Congress is doing what? Democrats say the stupidest things.
12 posted on 11/28/2011 7:32:09 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Two possibilities:

One: The kid killed himself in protest to the failure of the DREAM Act, which means his mind was filled with a lot of nonsense by people pushing a political agenda, or

Two: The kid killed himself for whatever reasons kids do such things, and it has nothing to do with the DREAM Act, which means people are cynically using his death to score cheap political points.

Whichever scenario, these folks should be ashamed of themselves...


13 posted on 11/28/2011 7:33:49 PM PST by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: moonshinner_09

So they are suggesting that we should give amnesty to all suicidal teenagers?


14 posted on 11/28/2011 7:34:21 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Deaf Smith

You have to understand: They’re (continental) Americans. We’re not. They mostly have some Aztec/Mayan blood. (Even though they still oppress pure Mayans in the south.) We’re still mainly European or African occupiers.


15 posted on 11/28/2011 7:39:38 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Tzimisce

illegals aren’t allowed to own guns.... this guy was guilty of a felony!


16 posted on 11/28/2011 7:39:38 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: moonshinner_09
>> Tequila Party Movement Shirl Mora James said she’s outraged "Maybe it took Joaquin to sacrifice himself, to bring attention to the desperate situation that the Dreamers are in," Mora James said Monday. “These kids are American - they are Americans without status - but they are still Americans!" <<

I'd like to find this woman's email address and give her a piece of my mind. This "Shirl Mora James" is an idiot. I wonder if she thinks Americans who live in Mexico unlawfully, boo Mexico sports team, and wave the American flag at home are "really Mexican kids without status"

17 posted on 11/28/2011 7:39:42 PM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
I qualified by post, ending with USA Americans.
18 posted on 11/28/2011 7:47:36 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: moonshinner_09

So, if I sacrifice myself by committing to suicide, will everyone become Christian conservatives and no more poverty in the world? Those are what I want, and following these people’s logic, that’s how things should happen.


19 posted on 11/28/2011 7:47:59 PM PST by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car; he just makes it worse. Get somebody else!)
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To: BillyBoy
Too many of these hispanic groups are nothing but front groups for La Raza and their ilk.

The Somos Republicans for example wants the GOP to use the tea party, then toss us aside.

How Un-American is the TEA PARTY

Are they so “irrational” and merely a self-centered group revolutionary geezers that do not hold American ideal and thus attack our American values—Democracy, Capitalism and Constitutionalism. Strategically, it seems like the right thing to do for Republican to utilize the Tea Party to diminish Obama’s agenda. But it is also time for Republicans that realize that this people merely using the flag colors as facade to promote un-American agenda. While they do have the right to dissent, sadly, their agenda pushed by special interest in Sacramento and D.C. do not embody the original best American values.
20 posted on 11/28/2011 7:48:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: moonshinner_09
"Maybe it took Joaquin to sacrifice himself, to bring attention to the desperate situation that the Dreamers are in," Mora James said Monday. “These kids are American - they are Americans without status - but they are still Americans!"

Maybe it's all bullshit too, and he just got dumped by his girlfriend. But take a lesson, all you know-nothing Newt-bashers: if we don't implement some kind of workable option, whether it's Newt's plan, Bachmann's plan, Perry's plan or some other similar plan, and try to implement the draconian "deport them all" mindset, this kind of incendiary crap will be all over the media times ten. Times a hundred.

And you can take it to the bank that the leftwing anarchist/marxist a-holes like the filth who financed and organized the Occupier revolution dress rehearsal, will seize on this kid and his like with both hands. They want an "American Spring" and some hapless yo-yo will become a martyr, like the moron who set himself on fire in Tunisia, sparking the "Arab Spring."

You all know the media and how it works hand in glove with the traitor faction of the DNC. Guaranteed that before nightfall, this poor sap will be known worldwide as a victim of the heartless racist capitalist republicans and their banker cronies.

Cornel West was not just daydreaming when he said the fight for "entitlements" would be "in the streets." Read the quote above for a perfect illustration of the mentality we would be up against if we don't find a way to deal with the reality of living breathing reacting people who have damn little to lose by taking things down.

And that's the cold clear light of day.

21 posted on 11/28/2011 7:50:21 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Deaf Smith

And they would say they are the only Americans in the USA.


22 posted on 11/28/2011 7:53:07 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: moonshinner_09


23 posted on 11/28/2011 7:53:30 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: hinckley buzzard

So your plan is to spout mewling fear of what the media thinks and your courageous stance is to do what they want?

LOL I think you wet yourself.


24 posted on 11/28/2011 7:54:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I think that there should be an investigation as to where this illegal alien illegally procured a firearm.


25 posted on 11/28/2011 8:02:44 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: moonshinner_09

So this kid was denied college? -— No.
So he was forced to pay out of state tuition? -— No.
So what was the difference between him and many other TX high school seniors? It wasn’t the state of TX that had the kids parents include him in their illegal act.

I GUESS DREAMERS FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE SPECIAL ATTENTION.


26 posted on 11/28/2011 8:05:45 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
"... if we don't implement some kind of workable option, whether it's Newt's plan, Bachmann's plan, Perry's plan or some other similar plan, and try to implement the draconian "deport them all" mindset, this kind of incendiary crap will be all over the media times ten. Times a hundred... Cornel West was not just daydreaming when he said the fight for "entitlements" would be "in the streets.""

Let the Free Shit Army come.

27 posted on 11/28/2011 8:05:55 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Are you aligned with The Race?


28 posted on 11/28/2011 8:10:26 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: GeronL
He did not kill himself over the DREAM Act unless he was a completely ignorant moron.

Or Simply unequiped and unprepared to tackle Engineering. What kind of grades did he get in High School? Was he one of the quota who was advanced automatically?

There are few things more frustrating and hopeless than being way over your head academically. Specially at the University level.

29 posted on 11/28/2011 8:10:58 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Since the kid lived in Texas, he was eligible to receive in-state tuition rates and even grants from the state and state universities under the Texas DREAM Act.
30 posted on 11/28/2011 8:11:32 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: moonshinner_09
I think there is more to this than just the dream act. They are not Americans.Mentally they may think they are but the reality is they are not citizens of this country. The parents should at this point question themselves was it really worth coming here, instead of trying to shift blame against America. We didn't bring the kid here.

You just proved out Perry's original "heartless" comment in spades. Congratulations on proving Perry right.
31 posted on 11/28/2011 8:14:02 PM PST by Oceander (TINSTAAFL - Mother Nature Abhors a Free Lunch almost as much as She Abhors a Vacuum)
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To: Deaf Smith

Only if you think I agree with the extreme premises I ascribe to it.


32 posted on 11/28/2011 8:23:03 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: moonshinner_09
They don’t want this country to be the country that it's always been, that welcomes people from all over the world."

Yeah, legal immigration is only about 1.2 million per year now. We just won't let anyone at all in.

33 posted on 11/28/2011 8:23:30 PM PST by Will88
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To: Deaf Smith
If you align yourself with a organization called The Race (la razza) and listen to radio stations called The Race (la razza)

Let's not set ourselves up to the charge of even not knowing the enemy well enough to get their name right.

It's La Raza, which is the equivalent of European (White) Supremacy, without the real and useful historical accomplishments to back up the so called "pride," or cultural resentment.

Like all primitives, it's "give us respect or we'll kill you."

If you truly understand Spanish, and translation, not transliteration, the pronouncements of these animals is worse than the worst ever white cracker hate speech, and half as rational.

34 posted on 11/28/2011 8:31:00 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
"...I ascribe to it."

If you are part of The Race movement, just state so.

35 posted on 11/28/2011 8:41:19 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: hinckley buzzard
, and try to implement the draconian "deport them all" mindset, this kind of incendiary crap will be all over the media times ten. Times a hundred.

Who's even saying that, other than folks such as you who use it as a straw man to avoid adopting a rational position of enforcing existing law and allowing the self-deportations to begin, as several states have already proven is precisely what happens when illegals even think the law might be enforced.

36 posted on 11/28/2011 8:41:53 PM PST by Will88
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To: svcw

His family here in the states could have sent him back to Mexico while helping to fund his education since American money goes a whole lot farther in Mexico.


37 posted on 11/28/2011 8:42:45 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Oceander
You just proved out Perry's original "heartless" comment in spades. Congratulations on proving Perry right.

And you just proved that anything that can be said will be said by ignoramuses or fanatics, whether it makes sense at a third grade level or not. Nice delusion, though.

38 posted on 11/28/2011 8:46:58 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Now the illegals have their own Matthew Shepard.


39 posted on 11/28/2011 8:50:57 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: Publius6961

Thanks. I despise the MSM for working La Raza as a cute name and not for what it really means in its translation or context.


40 posted on 11/28/2011 8:54:55 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: Deaf Smith

Am I a bad person for not caring about illegal alien’s children anymore either? Seriously, I’m getting to the point where I’m just thinking screw em all. The kids parents should be citizens before the children themselves can be imo. One goes with the other. We have our OWN major problems here in the US why oh why do we have to keep deaking with the bullshite from the criminal Messi-cans as well.


41 posted on 11/28/2011 10:34:45 PM PST by kelly4c
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To: moonshinner_09

“Maybe it took Joaquin to sacrifice himself, to bring attention to the desperate situation that the Dreamers are in,” Mora James said Monday.


Or maybe, the shameless way that leftists exploit suicide victims, such as that gay Lady Gaga fan recently, glamourizes suicide as an option for kids like Joaquin.


42 posted on 11/28/2011 11:01:58 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: moonshinner_09

Shirl Mora James- Latina civil rights attorney seeking “Justice for All”. Attorney and Legal Consultant, MORA JAMES LAW, Lincoln/Omaha, NE. Also, current President of the Nebraska Hispanic Bar.


43 posted on 11/28/2011 11:27:38 PM PST by kcvl
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To: John Semmens

Hilarious source material (( ping )).


44 posted on 11/28/2011 11:28:57 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

You get it!! (with all due respect) This is a Mayan Aztec thing. Their revenge on European occupiers but they are too cowardly to do it against the Spanish elites of Mexico (Central America too) so they come here to tug on the heart strings of dumbass Americans


45 posted on 11/28/2011 11:34:18 PM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-Sting)
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To: moonshinner_09

Quick, let’s pass a bad law because some kids who need counseling might do something dumb if we don’t!


46 posted on 11/29/2011 2:08:48 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Publius6961

Huh? Were you talking to me or to the voices in your head; it can’t have been me, tho’, ‘cause your response is utterly meaningless.


47 posted on 11/29/2011 3:45:01 AM PST by Oceander (TINSTAAFL - Mother Nature Abhors a Free Lunch almost as much as She Abhors a Vacuum)
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To: moonshinner_09

“We didn’t bring the kid here.”

Damn straight. Nor are we responsible for giving any illegal-alien anything other than a one-way ticket back to the nation that spawned them.

I am so sick of this sh!t: Millions of free-loading illegal aliens demanding that I give them something that they are not entitled to (free education, free housing, tax refunds, free healthcare, US citizenship, a driver’s license, welfare, WIC, and on, and on, and on.)

Geezus H. Crimeny! When is this nation going to pull its head out of its ass, round these criminals up, and send them back where they came from?

Oh, and before some chowder-head says “but, but, but we can’t seperate families from one another,” I suggest we send their illegal spawn back with them if they want to stay together. Problem solved.

Illegal Aliens: Piss on all of them.

Ernie


48 posted on 11/29/2011 8:33:26 AM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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