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Gingrich targets "sanctuaries" for illegal immigrants
Reuters ^ | Nov.28, 2011 | Harriet McLeod

Posted on 11/28/2011 8:24:39 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

CHARLESTON, South Carolina (Reuters) - Republican presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich told a South Carolina town hall on Monday that as president he would block federal funds to any city that "declared itself a sanctuary" for illegal immigrants.

Gingrich, fresh from a key endorsement from an influential New Hampshire newspaper, is on a three-day swing through South Carolina, an early primary state that his campaign has dubbed his "southern firewall."

"No American president has the right to side with foreigners," Gingrich told a crowd of hundreds at the College of Charleston, after reciting a list of 16 countries that he said had filed friend of the court briefs in a Justice Department lawsuit against South Carolina's new immigration law.

The law, which goes into effect on January 1 barring an injunction from a federal court, requires police officers to check the immigration status of anyone they stop or detain for another reason and makes it a felony to knowingly transport or harbor undocumented immigrants.

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1 posted on 11/28/2011 8:24:42 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I just can’t stand how this guy just says whatever he wants to say as if we’re stupid. First he basically wants amnesty, and now he’s Mr. Tom Tancredo on sanctuary cities? I want a President who I can depend on to actually have principles, not just telling us what we want to hear to get elected.


2 posted on 11/28/2011 8:26:32 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Is Newt’s immigration policy “nuanced,” like John F. Heinz Kerry’s policies were?


3 posted on 11/28/2011 8:26:42 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Too bad his so-called brilliant Immigration Plan only includes border fencing in “urban” areas. This comprises only about 1/10th of 1 percent of the actual border.


4 posted on 11/28/2011 8:27:54 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Well, that’s great, but the president should block ALL federal funds to cities (and states). That is, if he takes his oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution seriously.


5 posted on 11/28/2011 8:28:30 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Fine idea, and I’m confident that Mr. Gingrich is aware that the State-Owned Media will immediately point out that most “Sanctuary Cities” are also cities with large minority populations, and then go on to assert that Candidate Gingrich is taking this action out of a desire to “punish African Americans and Hispanics, very few of whom can be expected to vote for him.”


6 posted on 11/28/2011 8:35:54 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Apollo5600

President Newt Gingrich.... it’s going to happen, even without your vote.


7 posted on 11/28/2011 8:36:53 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/Palin-Bolton-2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Another massive failure and hole in Newt’s plan is that there is no requirement that States and even Federal Agencies check on the immigration status of those requesting social services.

So while his plan makes noises about keeping people from getting social services, it does nothing to enforce it.

Absolutely nothing.


8 posted on 11/28/2011 8:37:03 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: kalee; TitansAFC; onyx; LuvFreeRepublic; Sea Parrot; SweetCaroline; matthew fuller; Gator113; ...

Ping!


9 posted on 11/28/2011 8:37:38 PM PST by TitansAFC (Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry are not your enemies, my fellow Freepers!)
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To: Apollo5600
Be honest. What you "just can't stand" is that 'this guy' is ten times smarter and more successful than you are.
10 posted on 11/28/2011 8:38:39 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Apollo5600

Snewt needs to target himself. To NOT deport those that came here illegally IS giving them sanctuary.


11 posted on 11/28/2011 8:39:39 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Steely Tom
If you think that is something, watch what the "State-Owned Media" would do to a president who tried to "deport 'em all." Gingrich has at least demonstrated he is willing to take stand he knows will generate opposition. The rest of them...wilted lettuce.
12 posted on 11/28/2011 8:42:19 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Apollo5600

Romney?


13 posted on 11/28/2011 8:42:29 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: SoConPubbie

No E-Verify, no workee
No E-Verify, no public assistance


14 posted on 11/28/2011 8:50:41 PM PST by umgud
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To: TitansAFC

Thanks for the ping. This is a very conservative position he has taken. Punish sanctuary cities for siding with foreigners and against US law.


15 posted on 11/28/2011 8:54:28 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: hinckley buzzard

You don’t have to deport them. Heavily fine ANYONE that hires illegals and stop giving them any benefits at all, no medical, no education and get rid of the anchor baby status and they will self deport saving the US money all the way around!


17 posted on 11/28/2011 8:56:14 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Newt will remove Romney, then remove Obama. Glory.


18 posted on 11/28/2011 8:56:43 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Obama in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: Apollo5600
First he basically wants amnesty, and now he’s Mr. Tom Tancredo on sanctuary cities?

It only looks diametric to you, it looks perfectly consistent to me. Perhaps you should reexamine your premises.

19 posted on 11/28/2011 8:57:54 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: SoConPubbie
This is totally false. People who want to know the reality, see Newt's plan, especially section 6, which describes in some detail how the people in question will have to stay off all entitlement programs. Or be deported.

SoConPubbie you are lying and you need to stop.

20 posted on 11/28/2011 8:59:04 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Apollo5600
I just can’t stand how this guy just says whatever he wants to say as if we’re stupid. First he basically wants amnesty, and now he’s Mr. Tom Tancredo on sanctuary cities? I want a President who I can depend on to actually have principles, not just telling us what we want to hear to get elected.

See your problem is that went off the deep end with your wild "amnesty" accusations. If it were true then it wouldn't be congruent with his latest statements. Anyone with reading comprehension understands it's all part of the same plan to deal with illegal immigrants. I'm sorry if these statements don't line up with the straw-Newt that you created in your own mind. Next time, pay attention to the real one.
21 posted on 11/28/2011 9:00:16 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Awful. Newt invents a new faux immigration “plan” daily. Just sickening to see the base willingly manipulated by the master. What happened to “once bitten, twice shy”? Or “The Pied Piper”. It’s all forgotten in the name of supposed expedience. Didn’t we do all this in 2008 and get McCain?


22 posted on 11/28/2011 9:02:44 PM PST by montag813
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To: outhousepatrol

You got that right! He doesn’t seem to be able to make up his mind. Newt was FOR illegals before he was against them!


23 posted on 11/28/2011 9:05:07 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: montag813
Newt invents a new faux immigration “plan” daily.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this all start over what Gingrich said his plan was at the last debate? If he invents a new fake plan everyday, then why are you treating what he said at the debate as his real plan?

24 posted on 11/28/2011 9:05:50 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: SoConPubbie
Another massive failure and hole in Newt’s plan is that there is no requirement that States and even Federal Agencies check on the immigration status of those requesting social services.

The Kriebel Foundation Newt cites as the basis for his "new" "plans" has as it's basic premise that there are millions of jobs that Americans simply "won't do", and that we "need" illegals to do them. Take a look at this video and see what happens when jobs taken by illegals are liberated.

25 posted on 11/28/2011 9:07:39 PM PST by montag813
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To: GLDNGUN

“Anyone with reading comprehension understands it’s all part of the same plan to deal with illegal immigrants.”

Ah, yes, reading comprehension. Not enough people know what that means these days. It means, “words mean things”. If people would just read and understand the words, posts would change on this board. Those knee jerk reactions would go away.


26 posted on 11/28/2011 9:07:47 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Obama in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: SoConPubbie
A fence? What is he trying to do? Hold all the illegals here? What a joke.

The problem with the "secure the border first" premise is that it doesn't deal with the root cause, which is a demand for illegal labor. Until we make it so painful to employers that they stop, we will never stop illegal immigration. When we build a wall they will start coming on boats, and there are already a bunch that just overstay their visas.

You don't rid a city of rats by going out and killing every rat. First you have to eliminate their food supply, by cleaning up streets and how you handle your garbage.

27 posted on 11/28/2011 9:08:55 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: moder_ator

Thanks for removing #16. I should have hit the abuse button as that was an offensive post.


28 posted on 11/28/2011 9:11:54 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Obama in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: Netizen
they will self deport saving the US money all the way around!

Sure they will. They'll pull up stakes and leave the place they consider their home, maybe the only home they have ever known, those who, as we have seen, consider themselves "real Americans" whether you and your laws agree or not.

Just because you deprive them of the means to make a living, you think they will: not seek work off the books completely, providing whatever services under the table, joining the Black Market like many already do.

Did you know that fully 10% to 20% of the entire US economy is already under the table? Lots of work available that is invisible to the gubmint.

They will: not decide to say "F* you, Gringo," and join gangs, start selling drugs, pimping, all the illicit business opportunities that a mass urbanized culture offers. They will not: turn to petty street crime, "do what they have to do."

And tell us: if they show up at an ER bleeding from a knife wound, will you not treat them and let them die on the floor of the lobby? You said "No medical." Do you mean it? Well do You? With the evening newscam on you as you stand there? Tell me you are going to try to do that as a general policy, with an election coming up in a few months. Tell that to Americans who basically don't much give a damn about illegals as long as it doesn't affect them personally, but feel like they aren't all that evil that their expulsion is a life and death matter.

Think. Look past the juvenile sound bites. Put yourself in the shoes of the illegal that just got run off his job and prevented from getting a new one. You were brought here at the age of two and don't know Mexico from China. What would you do? You and your own two kids?

29 posted on 11/28/2011 9:20:04 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Do Mexicans care about the fate of somebody who illegally crosses their border from El Salvador, or Guatemala?

So why should we have different standards toward our border than the Mexicans do?


30 posted on 11/28/2011 9:22:50 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Newt is working to outflip Mitt.
31 posted on 11/28/2011 9:24:18 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: umgud

“No E-Verify, no workee
“No E-Verify, no public assistance”


32 posted on 11/28/2011 9:27:32 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: Apollo5600

“First he basically wants amnesty”

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! FIRST he will secure the border.

NEVER does he want amnesty. Saying it over & over again doesn’t make it so. Newt is NOT for amnesty PERIOD. Get your facts straight before you go off half cocked and half informed.


33 posted on 11/28/2011 9:31:02 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: SoConPubbie
Just tonight on O’Reilly, Bill asked him “Would you put a border fence from Brownsville to San Diego if you were president? Newt said “YES”.

You have to keep current!

34 posted on 11/28/2011 9:51:16 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: montag813

Axlerod...is that you?


35 posted on 11/28/2011 9:55:21 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: USNBandit

“A fence? What is he trying to do? Hold all the illegals here? What a joke.”

Again,half cocked or half witted. Border fence is step ONE! not the only step. Newt.org, my friend, educate yourself.


36 posted on 11/28/2011 9:58:31 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: hinckley buzzard
If we can't deport them now, how are we going to deport them in the future? Illegal aliens get benefits now thru their anchor babies--300,000 to 400,000 born every year. And 57% of all immigrant headed households with children are on at least one welfare program.

From Newt's plan #6

We need a path to legality, but not citizenship, for some of these individuals who have deep ties to America, including family, church and community ties. We also need a path to swift but dignified repatriation for those who are transient and have no roots in America.

...a path to swift but dignified repatriation for those who are transient and have no roots in America? LOL. So Newt how do you round them up for their repatriation?

Once an applicant has been granted the right to obtain legal status, he or she will have to pay a penalty of at least $5,000.

So the price of admission into the US is a paltry $5,000. You could multiply that by 10 times and still have hundreds of millions of people around the globe willing to pay such a price to take advantage of what this country has to offer.

Moving forward, those who receive this status will have to prove on a regular basis that they can support themselves without entitlement programs and pay for health insurance or else risk the ability to stay in the United States.

Mere words, just words. Exactly how do you enforce this. And what about benefits for their anchor babies who are US citizens. Why can LPRs today receive welfare, Medicaid, and food stamps after being in this country for five years and Newt's class of LPR not be eligible? Since they will pay into Medicare and SS, they will receive those benefits along with EITC and whatever support they receive through Obamacare, which is subsidized by the federal government based on salary levels, i.e., 133% of the poverty level. Newt is making this stuff up as he goes along. His plan is nonsense to anyone knowledgeable about immigration.

37 posted on 11/28/2011 10:11:25 PM PST by kabar
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To: faucetman

Once you have a fence then that only leave 12 to 20 million already in this country. Employment enforcement should be step ONE.


38 posted on 11/28/2011 10:12:25 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: faucetman

“You have to keep current!”

That’s right because Newt is flip-flopping as fast as Mitt Romney. If either say say the same thing today and a month from now, it will be a miracle.

New is Mitt’s short, fat, more courageous brother. Both are unprincipled big government politicians wired in the Beltway. Either will say or do anything to get elected.


39 posted on 11/28/2011 10:24:55 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: faucetman
NEVER does he want amnesty. Saying it over & over again doesn’t make it so. Newt is NOT for amnesty PERIOD. Get your facts straight before you go off half cocked and half informed.

Obama is NOT for amnesty. McCain is NOT for amnesty. It depends on how you define amnesty. Here is the common definition:

Definition: Amnesty, from the same Greek root as "amnesia," forgives past crimes and removes them from the record for future purposes. In the context of immigration, amnesty is commonly defined as granting legal status to a group of individuals unlawfully present in a country. It overlooks the alien's illegal entry and ongoing illegal presence and creates a new legal status that allows the recipient to live and work in the country.

Obama and McCain claim that their plan is not amnesty because people have to pay a fine, learn English, and get to the back of the line on an earned path to citizenship.

Newt is saying his plan is not amnesty because people have to pay a fine, learn English, and just get legal status without citizenship.

These are all amnesty. Any legislation that allows people to stay and work here, the objective of their crime, is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty alone would be $2.6 trillion just for the entitlement programs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

40 posted on 11/28/2011 10:25:17 PM PST by kabar
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Newt, you are out to lunch on spending a dime on the US/Mexico Border.

The problem is not the 2000 mile border, but the lack of hostility to illegal aliens once they cross the border.

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” - - - The law, which goes into effect on January 1 barring an injunction from a federal court, requires police officers to check the immigration status of anyone they stop or detain for another reason and makes it a felony to knowingly transport or harbor undocumented immigrants.”

So it looks like the foreigner in the White House will protect illegal foreigners by January 1, 2012. Big deal.

NOTHING is stopping legal residents from performing CITIZENS ARRESTS on anyone they choose to racially profile.

BTW, they would only be enforcing the existing laws that make it a Federal Crime to be in the USA illegally. Sort of a Mexican-go-home “Southern Firewall” program.


41 posted on 11/28/2011 10:28:22 PM PST by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Newt is telling a damn lie. He is still pissed because clintoon made him get off the back of the plane.
42 posted on 11/28/2011 10:28:48 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

A lot of illegals left family in Mexico or elsewhere so don’t even give me that crap about breaking up families. As for the knife wound sure treat true emergencies, but ONLY true emergencies. Life and death emergencies.

I’m well aware that most are getting paid under the table. Those hiring them and paying them under the table should be heavily fined. I think I mentioned heavily fining all that hire illegals in my previous post and that means ALL, not just corporations but private individuals as well.

Forget about sanctuary cities, we have become a sanctuary country.


43 posted on 11/28/2011 10:29:37 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen
You don’t have to deport them. Heavily fine ANYONE that hires illegals and stop giving them any benefits at all, no medical, no education and get rid of the anchor baby status and they will self deport saving the US money all the way around!

Thats wishful thinking, you will still need to deport them.

However, it is a big FIRST step, and that your right on. Never the less, full deportation will be needed, many of these folks will join gangs and rob and steal and commit crimes. This whole "peaceful illegal doing the work americans won't do" is bull, alot of them are hardcore gangbangers.

Deportation plus what you have stated, are not even the whole bag, you'll still need heave enforcement at the border, and serious penalities for those who hire illegals and pay them off the books (honestly, many illegals now are off the books, which is why programs like e-verify have holes in them).

44 posted on 11/28/2011 10:33:01 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: faucetman
Just tonight on O’Reilly, Bill asked him “Would you put a border fence from Brownsville to San Diego if you were president? Newt said “YES”.
You have to keep current!


So when does he actually put teeth in his proposal to cut off all monies to the states if they don't first verify Immigration status before giving out Social Services?

Or even the same thing for Federal Agencies?

And since the complete border fence wasn't in his original 10 point plan, how soon before he changes his mind again?
45 posted on 11/28/2011 10:34:54 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Not without going through Ricardo’s cold, dead body. He’ll never let his precious illegals be discriminated against by heartless Americans.


46 posted on 11/28/2011 10:38:00 PM PST by PAConservative1 (Myth, Ricardo, and AmNEWTsty - NON STARTERS!)
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To: faucetman; Apollo5600
NEVER does he want amnesty. Saying it over & over again doesn’t make it so. Newt is NOT for amnesty PERIOD. Get your facts straight before you go off half cocked and half informed.

That is a flat-out lie!

If Newt isn't for Amnesty, is he going to prosecute all the Illegals FIRST, before he creates a new class of residents, who have gotten a fake ID, or used that fake ID to secure social services?

Those are felonies, BTW.

So, if he doesn't prosecute, he has ipso facto provided an Amnesty.

Spin, prevaricate, or lie all you want about this, but at the end of the day, it is Amnesty.
47 posted on 11/28/2011 10:41:13 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: dfwgator
Do Mexicans care about the fate of somebody who illegally crosses their border from El Salvador, or Guatemala?

The wealthy growers prefer Guatemalans over Mexicans to work on their plantations, where they raise mangos, bananas, coffee, and dozens of other crops in the fertile, steamy ambiance of southern Chiapas. Echoing U.S. employers’ claims about Americans, these finqueros insist that Mexicans will not do the hard work of planting, cultivating, and picking.

Sound familiar???

48 posted on 11/28/2011 10:43:42 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Sonny M
many of these folks will join gangs and rob and steal and commit crimes.

Many already belong to gangs and or rob, steal and commit crimes.

49 posted on 11/28/2011 10:48:10 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: faucetman; montag813
Axlerod...is that you?

Karl Rove, is that you?
50 posted on 11/28/2011 10:49:48 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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