Skip to comments.Germany told to act to save Europe
Posted on 11/28/2011 8:35:28 PM PST by Mariner
Germany is the only country in Europe that can act to save the eurozone and the wider European Union from a crisis of apocalyptic proportions, the Polish foreign minister warned on Monday in a passionate call for more drastic action to prevent the collapse of the European monetary union. (See more at link)
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The emergence of the new Prussian Empire.
And what happens after the EU burns through all of Germany’s money?
They just want to keep kicking the can. How about Poland having its own money again? How about Poland NOT pledged to bailout irresponsible countries. How about countries not going into massive debt.
Maybe thats the answer??
Let the EU fail. Deutschland über alles.
Another "poor Germany" post. Why would Germany force their money on countries post-crisis? Huzzah for the social market economy, because you get to stay in it if you allow Germany to review your budget before your national government gets to see it, and accede to Germany's demands to pay back the loans that were forced on you before considering any more governmental spending (which means that Berlin becomes your national government)?
And what happens after the EU burns through all of Germanys money?
The open emergence. Same kind of money games that the Prussian Empire played, too.
The emergence of the new Prussian Empire
Germany can probably be guilted into trying to save Europe for awhile longer. The German public doesn’t like it and has taken their wrath out on the ruling conservatives, but the social/left party’s are even more wedded to a united Europe and will do the same thing.
It’s all just kicking the can down the road. The bottom line is European nations can’t afford their social welfare states - and those burdens are only growing. It’s just a matter of time till things really go bad, but they can probably kick the can for a few more years. Expect Germany to do all the things they claim they’d never do now in effort to save the Euro - it might buy them some breathing room but it won’t solve the problems.
Then they start to March.
Actually, I mis-spoke.
It's probably closer to the emergence of a new Frankish Empire. There's a coalition of Northern European states with France, Switzerland and Austria that are sure to break from the EU.
The British and the Latin states are likely to be left on their own.
Total and complete hogwash.
NOBODY FORCED anyone in Europe to borrow the money.
Who cares? Consumers are going into debt again at record levels to buy useless Xmas junk made in China! Go Dow Jones! Weeeeee!!!
We can't know for sure what Germany will do, but the odds are good that the Ardennes forest will be involved.
Wow. There's a combo for the ages.
I have heard that Germany is printing up duetche marks.
They aren’t going to get pushed around forever.
If they do not they will never be paid. The fed has trillions floating around the EU who will pay that back.
If people think Germany is going to fork over money on demand then they are severely ignorant.
Joining the EU has been somewhat mixed for Poland -- for one it has given legitimacy as a higher developing country, given it access to trade and markets that it wouldn't have otherwise had, reduced or eliminated import taxes on its goods and opened it up to foreign investment which is primarily from Germany and France but also the UK
on the negative, it hasn't resulted in money for Polish infrastucture projects - that is being provided by Poland itself, and it ties in Poland too much to Europe -- which is opposed by the more conservative parties here (and note that the present party in power is centre-right and conservative by American, forget about European standards).
however, the Poles distrust Germany and Russia -- it's in their blood to not trust either. and they know that Germany shackled with the EU is better than a marauding Germany (1410: Battle of Grunwald, 1793 partitions of the Polish-Lithuania Republican commonwealth through to 1939-1945).
you are correct, this would be unlike the Prussian Empire which aimed at "Germanness" -- forcing German culture, language, religion on others (Kulturkampf) and which took its Prussian militaristic culture and first imposed it on the other Germanics (Swabians, Bavarians, etc) and then tried to do so on the Slavs etc.
This would become a renewed Frankish realm including what is now France, Germany, the lowland countries (Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg) and Austria and maybe Slovakia and Czechia.
The UK would be left out as would the Iberian peninsula, Italy, the Balkans and Greece and eastern Europe
I'm pushing the idea to my Polish friends of a revival of the Rzeczpospolita -- the Polish-Lithuanian republic that would include Latvia, Lithuan, Poland, Białorus, Slovakia and Western Ukraine and possibly also Romania and Hungary and maybe Bulgaria!
Spain used the money for development projects (the roads and highways in Spain are better than those in Germany imho).
In such circumstances, the lender of last resort is perfectly entitled to insist that any new borrowing be coupled with a long-term fiscal plan that establishes, and maintains, a path toward solvency. So the lender becomes the fiscal cop ....
These are the results of a confederacy of nations.
To the German nation: do not go near any of it!
This illustrates exactly the danger of the entangling alliances, the NWO, the move towards globalism, trade and currency treaties. They work for the benefit of the few, as in usually they are the banks and the political elite, and never for the sovereignty or the people of responsible countries.
The people end up losing control over their own government. These treaties take away the power of the people in their own democracy and instead give it to international bankers, corporations, consortiums and treaties.
The World Trade Organization and the UN as examples tell member countries what restrictions or laws they can make, how they make laws and various other aspects that were always the purview of the people and their elected representatives.
We need to demand an end to these entangling alliances just as George Washington once warned and said.
Oh? Britain isn't in the eurozone either, but they are liable to backing the bailouts. You sure of that? Everyone in the EU participates in the eurozone, even if they aren't in the euro currency. Many other countries not even in the EU participate in the eurozoneyou never heard of the "European Free Trade Association", through which Norway and Iceland participate in the "single market" (or "European Economic Area") but also agree to have EU law foisted upon them?
Poland has it's own money, the złoty. They were supposed to join in 2012, but that's not going to happen. They don't have to bailout anyone in the euro-zone as they aren't in it
Does Norway and Iceland have their own currency or euro?
Yes, they have their own currencies, as they are not members of EU.
“They just want to keep kicking the can. How about Poland having its own money again? How about Poland NOT pledged to bailout irresponsible countries. How about countries not going into massive debt.”
Could you imagine California having it’s own currency ?
“Just imagine the USA doing what Germany’s doing now. Can anyone imagine that?”
Could you imagine that someone asks Texas to bail out California ? Yes i can !
“Germany can probably be guilted into trying to save Europe for awhile longer.”
The germans are in a classic “you loose whatever you do” situation.
- If they admit to bailout the whole EU they’re economy is doomed.
- If they deny the bailout, the Euro breaks apart and their export based economy is doomed.
We bailed out california by printing money :-) Something i can understand they really don’t want to do.
“It’s going to be OK.... Obama will save the day..They don’t call him the Magic Man for nothing. He’ll lend them 7 trillion dollars of our money, Then tax our behinds till we bleed.” Taxing ? He doesn’t need taxes as long as he can tell helicopter ben to run the printing machines faster.
That is not what I meant, and that is not what Germany is doing. Germany is demanding control over the economies of all these other countries. No US state would demand to exercise control over the budgets of any other state, nor does the federal government demand such control over the budgets of individual states.
Could you imagine that someone asks Texas to bail out California ? Yes i can !
“Germany is demanding control over the economies of all these other countries.”
No, they want the EU to take control. Something compareable to a combination of the IRS and the GAO.
Unlikely they will give them direct and fully-independent control, especially over Germany, whose constitutional court already declare that the Grundgesetz is superior law to the EU law (funny enough, that is not what the Treaty of Lisbon claims). The EU is merely a proxy for Germanys ambitions. Why do you think that the Irish budget was reviewed by the Bundestag before any other body (primarily the Irish parliament) got to see it?
No, they want the EU to take control
It would probably hyperinflate it like Zimbabwe....
1Million Moonbeams for a loaf of bread?? 1.1Million tomorrow??