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China's first aircraft carrier starts second trial
Agence France Presse ^ | 11/29/2011

Posted on 11/29/2011 4:30:33 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

China's first aircraft carrier starts second trial

(AFP) – 6 hours ago

BEIJING — China's first aircraft carrier began its second sea trial on Tuesday after undergoing refurbishments and testing, the government said, as tensions over maritime territorial disputes in the region ran high.

The 300-metre (990-foot) ship, a refitted former Soviet carrier called the Varyag, underwent five days of trials in August that sparked international concern about China's widening naval reach.

"China's aircraft carrier platform, after successfully completing its first sea trial in August, returned to the shipyard as planned for further refitting and testing," the defence ministry said in a brief statement.

"The work has been carried out and it set sail again on November 29 to carry out relevant scientific and research experiments."

Beijing only confirmed this year that it was revamping the old Soviet ship and has repeatedly insisted that the carrier poses no threat to its neighbours and will be used mainly for training and research purposes.

But the August sea trials were met with concern from regional powers including Japan and the United States, which called

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aircraftcarrier; china; navair; plan

1 posted on 11/29/2011 4:30:46 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Nice casino. /s


2 posted on 11/29/2011 4:40:37 AM PST by cranked
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To: cranked

Rub-a-dub-dub. Three men in a tub.


3 posted on 11/29/2011 4:47:25 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sukhoi-30mki

So, has it conducted any air operations yet, like landing and/or launching aircraft? Or are they still fooling around with getting the bugs out of the ship’s physical plant?


4 posted on 11/29/2011 5:20:59 AM PST by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: cranked
Nice casino.

You are referring to what the Chinese told the Russians what they had planned for the hulk when they bought it - that they were going to use it for a floating Casino.

The clear point here is never believe the Chinese - they will lie to your face.

5 posted on 11/29/2011 6:09:16 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It has an appropriately “sloped” flight deck.


6 posted on 11/29/2011 6:12:32 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Confucius say man who buy ski-jump ship on slippery slope


7 posted on 11/29/2011 6:16:22 AM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The trouble with making so many enemies is that if the ship suddenly develops profound problems at sea, everyone has plausible deniability, because it might have been caused by anyone.


8 posted on 11/29/2011 7:11:19 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This thing has 50 round aircraft? Now there’s some advanced technology. Our planes always have those pointy noses, but not the Chinese. They put round noses on their planes. Like a duck.


9 posted on 11/29/2011 8:37:29 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Granted, they stripped a lot of stuff from it which would need to be replaced but is thirty years old for a ship? How good was it when the Soviets built it? Are the ski-jump ramps a popular design?


10 posted on 11/29/2011 8:41:23 AM PST by philled (“If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!")
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To: philled; sukhoi-30mki; Oztrich Boy; Yo-Yo; Jeff Head
Granted, they stripped a lot of stuff from it which would need to be replaced but is thirty years old for a ship? How good was it when the Soviets built it? Are the ski-jump ramps a popular design?

Ski-ramps are not as capable as catapults when it comes to the ability of planes to take off with greater loads (of fuel and/or weapons). However only 3 countries currently use carriers that have catapults - the US, the French and the Brazilians.

There is some good (actually very good considering the person claims to be an amateur who put this together using available information and making the illustrations himself) information on aircraft carriers from around the globe.

Large Carriers Compared

Also, our own FReeper Jeff Head (copied) has a nice website that has information on various carriers.

Worldwide Aircraft Carriers

11 posted on 11/29/2011 9:09:39 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Here's a layout I put together explaining the carrier:


The ex-VARYAG, CHINA'S FIRST FULL DECK AIRCRAFT CARRIER

And here are some pictures of her heading out for this trial:

She was in refit for 3 months. Spent dry dock time for over half of that. She left port with an aviation fuel truck on board, on the flight deck which emplies that her aviation fuel handling system is having troubles. She also has not installed the arrestor trap wires yet.

It is expected she will be manuevering, te4sting engines, sensors, and probably landing some helos. Her strike fighters are not reayd yet. They have two of the original prototype J-15s which are an improved, Chinese version of the Russian SU-33. They have two of those aircraft now in PLAN colors which implies at least low level production, but they are a long ways from having a full wing of them, and then even longer before enough pilots are fully trained in carrier operations.

But, she is complete and on trials and the other nations in the area, including us, are taking note.

The Chinese are supposedly building two more carriers currently as we speak.

For the history of their refit, from start to now, read this:

TRANSFORMING THE VARYAG INTO A FULLY OPERATIONAL PLAN CARRIER

12 posted on 11/29/2011 9:47:11 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Last Dakotan
Nice casino. You are referring to what the Chinese told the Russians what they had planned for the hulk when they bought it - that they were going to use it for a floating Casino.

IIRC it was the Ukraine that sold the "casino" to Communist China.
13 posted on 11/29/2011 10:08:30 AM PST by fallujah-nuker (Pat Buchanan, kryptonite to RINO's)
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To: magslinger

ping


14 posted on 11/29/2011 10:18:31 AM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: philled; spetznaz

Among the catapult users, only the US and France have enough spare power from their nuclear/steam engines to launch ‘heavy’ aircraft with weights of 20 or more tonnes. So that’s one reason why the Russians and Chinese have stuck with ski-jumps. I believe that the new electro-magnetic capapult system being developed for the USN would negate the need for nuclear power.


15 posted on 11/29/2011 10:21:40 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Not for US carriers. The EM cats are going to use a lot of power themselves. And the US FORD class has nuclear plants that are 200% more powerful than the earlier reactors. The US Navy has plans for that power...think Laser CIWS, railgun, etc.


16 posted on 11/29/2011 10:54:20 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Do you, or anyone else here, remember when China bought this carrier? I recall that there were many posters on FR that claimed it was a useless hull, and it was going to really be a casino.

There were a few of us here that knew this day would come.


17 posted on 11/29/2011 11:04:12 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Jeff Head

Well at least the air quality is awesome there!!!!


18 posted on 11/29/2011 11:05:20 AM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: fallujah-nuker
...it was the Ukraine that sold the "casino" to Communist China<

You are correct - with the breakup of the Soviet Union, Ukraine got a half finished carrier, six tee shirts and a pack of gum.

The Chong Lot Travel Agency was the buyer of the carrier at auction. Remember that name.

19 posted on 11/29/2011 11:22:36 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I believe that the new electro-magnetic capapult system being developed for the USN would negate the need for nuclear power.

You can't change Physics. Force through a distance is still work energy.

20 posted on 11/29/2011 11:26:41 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Osage Orange
I remember precisely and have tracked it ever since. I was clear that the Chinese intended to refit it from the beginning.

THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE VARYAG INTO AN OPERATIONAL PLAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER

21 posted on 11/29/2011 11:41:51 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
Of course the ruse...about a casino was a joke!!

And everyone knew it....Wink, wink, nod, nod!!

22 posted on 11/29/2011 12:21:37 PM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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23 posted on 11/29/2011 12:43:56 PM PST by magslinger (Who cares if they are"electable" if they are going to govern like Democrats? -noprogs)
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To: Cheburashka

Flight ops (except for helicopters) is a ways down the road. This is just the second sea trial. The first was pretty much a dud. The ship barely made it out and back under its own power.

They’ll be working up for at least six months to a year.


24 posted on 11/29/2011 1:59:41 PM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: Last Dakotan; Jeff Head

I was primarily referring to smaller navies like the Royal and Indian navies expressing interest in EMALS technology though they don’t plan to build nuclear-powered carriers. Who knows, the Chicms might be working overtime to get their hands on the blueprints.


25 posted on 11/29/2011 6:40:27 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
No doubt the PRC is trying to acquire the new technology.

But for the Varyag it is not something they can or will use. That will wait unti a larger, indegenous carrier with cats is built...at that point they will either try and create their own steam cats (the Russians tried and never got it working before they went under) or try and acquitre the technology and apply it to their design.

I personally believe that by 2020 the PLAN woill have three carrier out there.

But there efforts are causing a naval arms race in the WESPAC.

Korea, JApan, Austraili...they are all building carrier, or carrier hybrids that will be capable of carrying the J-35B.

Take a look at this artistic depiction of the new 22DDH carriers the Japanese are now building:


THE NEW JAPANESE (JMSDF) 22DDH AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

26 posted on 11/30/2011 8:19:57 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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