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Case of 200-pound 8-year-old in Ohio renews question: Should parents of obese lose custody?
Star Tribune ^ | 11/29/11 | THOMAS J. SHEERAN

Posted on 11/29/2011 5:49:42 AM PST by Libloather

Case of 200-pound 8-year-old in Ohio renews question: Should parents of obese lose custody?
Article by: THOMAS J. SHEERAN, Associated Press
Updated: November 29, 2011 - 7:16 AM

CLEVELAND - The case of an 8-year-old Cleveland Heights boy taken from his family because he weighs more than 200 pounds has renewed a debate on whether parents should lose custody if a child is severely obese.

The boy was removed from his family and was placed in foster care in October after county case workers said his mother wasn't doing enough to control his weight. The boy, at his weight, is considered at risk for developing such diseases as diabetes and high blood pressure. Government growth charts say most boys his age weigh about 60 pounds.

Roughly 2 million U.S. children are extremely obese — weighing significantly more than what's considered healthy.

Cuyahoga County removed the boy because case workers considered the mother's inability to get his weight down a form of medical neglect. The county's Children and Family Services agency said Monday it stood by its custody move, which was approved by a judge.

"We have worked very hard with this family for 20 months before it got to this point," agency Administrator Patricia Rideout said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; child; custody; judicialactivism; obese; ohio
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1 posted on 11/29/2011 5:49:51 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Should parents of anorexic children lose custody?
Should parents of depressed children lose custody?
Should parents of socially inept children lose custody?


2 posted on 11/29/2011 5:53:08 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Libloather

200 pounds? What were they feeding him? Triple Baconators?


3 posted on 11/29/2011 5:54:55 AM PST by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Libloather

bur putting an 8 year old on sex change drugs is not a problem?


4 posted on 11/29/2011 5:55:14 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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No photos of the big fat kid??? I am disappointed in this news story


5 posted on 11/29/2011 5:55:14 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Libloather

Should parents of obese lose custody?

...........only if they are Browns fans. /s


6 posted on 11/29/2011 5:56:20 AM PST by Recon Dad ("The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win and cheat if necessary.")
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To: Libloather

Yes! The moment the kid is 3-4 oz overweight. (and parents should be forced to take a child to a government weigh station every week) If there is even the slightest scent of Twinkie on the childs breath, the parents will be jailed! ~ sarc (wouldn’t surprise me)


7 posted on 11/29/2011 5:57:14 AM PST by albie
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To: GeronL

Sexual psychosis, in every manifestation, is a protected constitutional right. Being fat is unforgivably unfashionable.


8 posted on 11/29/2011 5:58:26 AM PST by Tax-chick (Thomas Sowell. Accept no substitutes!)
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To: Libloather

I once knew a 10 year old boy that weighed 205 pounds. His mother was also severely obese which makes me wonder what the mother weighs in this story. If she is close to a normal weight, this may be something besides overeating. Either way, the government has no business taking this kid.


9 posted on 11/29/2011 5:58:41 AM PST by nonamer
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To: GeronL

Bingo!

Believe this is an adopted child - so some Govt. adoption agency is complicit.


10 posted on 11/29/2011 5:58:57 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich-Cain 2012)
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To: Libloather

I hereby call for the firing of all obese social workers.


11 posted on 11/29/2011 5:59:38 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: airborne

The kid probably needs more bacon and less pasta.


12 posted on 11/29/2011 6:00:31 AM PST by agrarianlady
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To: GeronL

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html

Criminal!


13 posted on 11/29/2011 6:02:20 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich-Cain 2012)
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To: Libloather

My gues is that the parents are very overweight as well. Nontheless, it ain’t the stinking govt’s business.


14 posted on 11/29/2011 6:05:57 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Libloather

Boiling the frog, IMHO. First they come for the overweight kids... If this is allowed to stand, what is next? Parents who home school? (they deprive their children of socialization). Parents who take their kids to a conservative church? (the children are being brainwashed that abortion is murder and homosexuality is wrong). The list is endless if you think about it.


15 posted on 11/29/2011 6:07:16 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Libloather

Should out-of-control governments lose legitimacy?


16 posted on 11/29/2011 6:08:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The very idea of a community organizer is to stir up a mob for some political purpose." Ann Coulter)
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To: Libloather

Generally speaking no, but we really need to know more about the case.

What is the cause of the weight gain?

A 200 pound 8 year old is unusual. It could indicate a medical condition beyond the parents control. Or it could indicate neglect.

I have an 8 year old son. I would never want him taken from me, ever. But I can’t for the life of me figure out how any 8 year old could get to 200 pounds. That has to pose a severe health risk.

Without the medical file on this boy, it is difficult to know if this rises to the level of danger to the child.


17 posted on 11/29/2011 6:09:04 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Libloather

I’ll bet both mom and dad are severely obese. In the article, Mom says she’s doing everything to help him control his weight. I’m going to call B.S. on this one. My bet is these kids haven’t eaten a fruit or veggie in their life. Lots of Mickey D’s. I don’t know what the answer to this is because it’s a fairly new pheonomina. Truly 50 years ago you didn’t have 450 pound parents with 200 pound 10 year olds. The only thing heriditary is their diet.


18 posted on 11/29/2011 6:09:43 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: agrarianlady
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19 posted on 11/29/2011 6:10:08 AM PST by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Libloather
Sounds like the kid could be an All Star lineman for his pee-wee football league.

College scouts are probably already looking his way.

20 posted on 11/29/2011 6:10:37 AM PST by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: Libloather
I don't think there is one answer. Certainly a child weighing 200lbs at 8 years old is grossly overweight. Does the child have a medical problem that makes him gain weight? If not, I do think there is a problem with the parents. After-all, they have got to be feeding that child massive quantities of food to make him gain over 100% more than the typical child his age. If they are doing that, it is a form of child abuse that will scar him for the rest of his life.
21 posted on 11/29/2011 6:11:24 AM PST by Nevadan
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To: sodpoodle

Different state. Ohio for all it’s flaws is not California. And don’t get me started on the cult that is “transgenderism”.


22 posted on 11/29/2011 6:12:22 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: momtothree

Actually this started with the kids of smokers. But with that said, I’m in full agreement with you. This stuff has to end.


23 posted on 11/29/2011 6:13:27 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Libloather

Agreed. Absolutely no.

Do a little thought experiment. If a child is very short, do the social workers blame the parents? Probably not, but when it comes to weight they assume that parents control the outcome. In a case this extreme, I sincerely doubt it.


24 posted on 11/29/2011 6:14:20 AM PST by freespirited (Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business & degenerates into a racket. -- Hoffer)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

re: My bet is these kids haven’t eaten a fruit or veggie in their life. Lots of Mickey D’s.

I am guessing that also.


25 posted on 11/29/2011 6:16:07 AM PST by Nevadan
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To: driftdiver

...and the list goes on, where does it stop. If it didn’t start to begin with things would be a lot better. One can argue till the cows come home, but government has no mandate or right or power delegated or loaned from “the people” to take children from parents or for that matter a thousand other things they do because the people deem it necessary.

...and yes there is an obvious conflict on the one hand, the people desire the government to be ever concerned with everyone’s rights. In this case that of children, but at the expense of the parents. Government should not be allowed anything that an individual would not also be allowed. I cannot as an individual go in to someones home, and remove their children, thus I “the people” cannot grant such power to government, and it is only from “the people that government has any power.


26 posted on 11/29/2011 6:16:19 AM PST by wita
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To: Libloather

Well that writes off the whole state of West Virginia..../sarc

(Proud Mountaineer here!)


27 posted on 11/29/2011 6:16:31 AM PST by robertwalker62
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To: Libloather

I don’t condone parents encouraging unhealthy lifestyles or refusing to intervene when a child is obviously engaging in disordered eating, but the kid is going to be worse off growing up knowing he was ripped away from his family and caused them and himself great pain because of his size.

I don’t want to imagine the affects of this traumatic experience on the boy’s future body image and relationship with food.


28 posted on 11/29/2011 6:19:01 AM PST by Méabh
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To: Libloather
Is being 200lb at 8 years old unhealthy? Of course. Is taking the child away from the parent just on the basis of his weight with no other alleged neglect or abuse unhealthy for all of us, in that it sets a dangerous precedent? Darned right it is!

Maybe the mom is ineffectual, but an 8-year-old is not in her presence 24/7/365. What is he eating elsewhere? What is he eating when she is not home? Are other people sneaking him food? (He could, for example, have a Grandma who thinks he's being deprived if mom is cutting him back and who sneaks him food).

Have they done enough medical testing to be certain that there are no medical causes for his weight (a remote possibility but still a possibility).

While it's unhealthy for a child to be 200lb at 8 years old, it's also unhealthy for every adult in his life to be totally focused on his weight, to the point that he is removed from his home and his mother and put in foster care.

29 posted on 11/29/2011 6:19:57 AM PST by susannah59
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To: GreenLanternCorps

“And don’t get me started on the cult that is “transgenderism”.”

Cult! What an interesting thought. That puts the whole transgenderism concept into a different perspective.

Incidentally, Word 2010 recognizes planned parenthood should be Planned Parenthood; indicating a high level of acceptance in society. But Word 2010 does not suggest a spelling for transgenderism; suggesting that the Overton window has not yet forced society into agreeing anybody should be able to mutilate their sex organs.


30 posted on 11/29/2011 6:19:57 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: wita

“it is only from “the people that government has any power.”

People have forgotten that and the schools certainly don’t teach the concept.


31 posted on 11/29/2011 6:21:47 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Gabz

If a parent or parents were beating/burning/sexually abusing a child... take the child. If a parent or parents were allowing a child to starve, wander the streets as little ones etc... take the child. My point is if there is direct abuse/neglect then the child is in imminent danger. This boy is in danger of possibly getting high blood pressure or possibly having heart disease. Social Services... if they really wanted to help this boy would give the Mother access to a nutritionist (I’m sure there are government ones already) and advise the Mother to take him to a gym with a trainer (someone trained in exercise/the body etc). There is a good chance that this boy will NEVER be thin (it may not be his particular body type and metabolism). He could be healthier but not fit into the exact range on a chart. IMHO.


32 posted on 11/29/2011 6:21:47 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Libloather

No. What’s the cutoff? What if he’d weighed only 189? What if he had weighed 220 but now was losing? Who decides?

Would the Constitutional Convention have voted this in?

What is WRONG with the socialists?


33 posted on 11/29/2011 6:24:36 AM PST by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: momtothree

Once again, I am in full agreement with you.

There are definitely times when interference by government is a necessary thing, but the problem is government has overstepped its boundaries.

Unfortunately, we, as a society, have actually brought this upon ourselves by our insistence the government do more and more for us (we/us being used collectively not specifically) and until this mindset of dependence is rolled back, it is only a matter of time before it gets worse.


34 posted on 11/29/2011 6:31:02 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Warning to all adolescents, young men and women. Do not engage in sexual activity - it WILL result in pregnancy and the choices will be;

Marriage - under pressure.
Abortion - murder for convenience.
Adoption - from the unwitting to the unknown.


35 posted on 11/29/2011 6:31:20 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich-Cain 2012)
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To: airborne

“What were they feeding him?”

Balloons and sponges!


36 posted on 11/29/2011 6:32:18 AM PST by jimmyo57
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To: mmichaels1970
I hereby call for the firing of all obese social workers.

That's like calling for random drug tests for public school teachers. Aint gonna happen, even though it should.
37 posted on 11/29/2011 6:33:01 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Libloather

If the woman is getting any kind of assistance remove it. No food makes people skinny.


38 posted on 11/29/2011 6:35:26 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: Libloather
Almost every day I read of children being mistreated by a mom and her boyfriend, and then I read of grandparents and noncustodial parents pleading with the courts to protect these same children...of course I usually read this after the kid has been beaten or starved to death. The state is ALWAYS complicit in these disasters, the judicial system aids and abets these travesties. Yet let a kid get fat, and it really doesn't matter if he has a hereditary problem or a simple diet and overeating problem and the same worthless bunch run and grab the kid. If I had any faith in the judicial system at all I'd say the parents should be wealthy by the time the courts get through with this, but sadly I expect the parents will end up bankrupt and with their child raised in “the system”. Heartbreaking and disgusting!
39 posted on 11/29/2011 6:36:09 AM PST by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: Libloather

End world hunger. Feed the obese to the starving.


40 posted on 11/29/2011 6:36:36 AM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Libloather
Tear him from his mothers arms!

Call in professional law enforcement officer if need be.


41 posted on 11/29/2011 6:41:45 AM PST by Iron Munro (Unattended children will be towed away at the owners expense)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

The mother has been in treatment with the child for two years...so I am not sure this is completely neglect. I believe also that the hospital reported them to services two years ago and the state has been monitoring the situation ever since.


42 posted on 11/29/2011 6:46:01 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: driftdiver
yes, just like any other treatable medical condition which the family has failed to treat despite 20 months of monitoring and being offered every possible service and support

the kid started dropping weight

Then piled it back on real fast- Mom said she “tried” to stop the other kids from feeding junk food to fattie
She “tried”- and failed. She can't control her own home environment.

This child is gonna die young if the state doesn't get him into treatment

43 posted on 11/29/2011 6:46:48 AM PST by silverleaf (common sense is not so common- voltaire)
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To: Libloather

The implicatoions are dire. What, we are going to have some government agency (Local, state, or federal) now checking each child’s weight and body fat content against some chart and then have a government mandated weight and body fat allowance?

Who decides what those numbers are?

Who is in charge of checking and enforcement?

This is simply unconstitutional. There is no power granted the states or the federal government for these powers. The people where this occurred need to wake up.

All of need to beware against moves of this nature by the progressives and liberal so-called “do gooders” who are really only interested in these children to the extent they can be used to control all of us.

America at the Crossroads
http://www.jeffhead.com/crossroads.htm


44 posted on 11/29/2011 6:49:37 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: silverleaf

yep any parent who fails to immediately fix problems should lose custody, yep thats the American way.


45 posted on 11/29/2011 6:51:06 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: momtothree

Do you not think that over the past 20 months social services has not tried all of that?

Taking the child is not the first resort it is definitely the last resort

and the social workers have a complete case file documenting 20 months of their efforts at intervention and her neglect, because they always expect parents to hire a money grubbing lawyer and take them to court

Unfortunately due to confidentiality they generally cannot tell their side of the story to the press like mama’s lawyer


46 posted on 11/29/2011 6:53:34 AM PST by silverleaf (common sense is not so common- voltaire)
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To: silverleaf

“and the social workers have a complete case file documenting 20 months of their efforts at intervention and her neglect, because they always expect parents to hire a money grubbing lawyer and take them to court”

Such a shame that parents should be allowed to have legal representation. The horror!

social workers here in Florida have lost hundreds of kids, some of who end up dead. Guess that documentation wasn’t quite so complete.


47 posted on 11/29/2011 6:56:41 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TexasCajun

What did Shaq O’Neil weigh at age 8 ?

Is the kid also 6’ tall ?

He sounds like the dude from the movie “The Blind Side”.


48 posted on 11/29/2011 6:57:06 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: driftdiver
20 months of social services monitoring this family after doctors filed a medical report of neglect is not a parent who “immediately” fails to fix a problem

If she was starving him into a life-threatening health condition for the past 20 months, and it was getting worse not better, despite home visits and home observations and other family support and interventions, would you decide it wasn't anyone else’s business?

49 posted on 11/29/2011 7:00:38 AM PST by silverleaf (common sense is not so common- voltaire)
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To: Libloather

Should parents of children who receive food stamps, and then the children come to school on Monday morning telling the teachers that they did not eat all weekend, lose custody? Since the schools now feed them at least 2-3 times a day....


50 posted on 11/29/2011 7:01:23 AM PST by NEMDF
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