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Why They Destroyed Cain in the Primary
11-29-2011 | willk

Posted on 11/29/2011 6:21:30 PM PST by willk

I've been wondering why they brought these allegations against Cain out during the Primary and not the General Election. After reading about a poll showing most of Cain's supporters will go to Newt it came to me. First of all they gambled that Cain will not win the primary (even without the allegations). Obama and the MSM fear that Romney would have the best chance against Obama. With Cain's voters going more to Newt this is their way of getting a candidate who is easier to beat (notice too how Cain initially suspected Newt and not Romney).


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Whatever you feel about Romney, he is more likely to pick up more of the independant vote (though less of the conservative vote). He would certainly get more of the women's vote than Newt.
1 posted on 11/29/2011 6:21:31 PM PST by willk
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To: willk

Um when did Cain drop out?


2 posted on 11/29/2011 6:22:46 PM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: willk

I don’t agree with this assessment but different strokes.........


3 posted on 11/29/2011 6:23:44 PM PST by lahargis (Out with Barry in with Perry. Perry is our energy candidate!)
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To: willk

Respectfully, I don’t buy your idea of a single “they” as in “why did they” bring these charges, etc. In fact, while one was rather obviously a David Axelrod plant, I am not sure there necessarily was a “they” at all.

Second, while I respect that you had the courage to say that at least some in the Obama camp do in fact fear Romney the most, many around here will probably flame you for that. I won’t. I think some Dems fear Mitt, some fear Newt, some fear Cain (or did) - and all for different reasons. I am sure there is no consensus among Dems who the toughest opponent would be.

I do think you are dismissive of Newt’s chances in a general however, another part of your analysis I must respectfully “sell” and not buy.


4 posted on 11/29/2011 6:25:27 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: willk

Cain has a narcissistic side no one wanted to notice. Kind of like what happened to the Dems awhile ago.


5 posted on 11/29/2011 6:26:16 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: willk

Cain hasn’t been destroyed.


6 posted on 11/29/2011 6:26:26 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: willk

I suspect it is the RNC. They want Romney since he is more of the elitist establishment RINO type.


7 posted on 11/29/2011 6:26:44 PM PST by 95B30 ( The Professional Left: "Their morals are crooked, their take logic is flawed, their honor is stolen)
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To: willk
Potentially, but I hear today the Carter camp was salivating over the concept of running against Reagan, they thought they could paint him as ( you fill in the slots).

Look how that worked out for them...

Now if Newt is the guy and he picks Cain as VP, slam dunk IMHO.

If he picks Romney no way. Again Romney's support is a mile wide and an inch deep if that. I ain't gonna get geeked up and man the phones for him...

8 posted on 11/29/2011 6:28:10 PM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: willk

After chatting with some FReepers yesterday, I am beginning to suspect this may go back to a grudge from 1994 and Cain publicly embarrassing a certain president on national television...


9 posted on 11/29/2011 6:28:19 PM PST by mnehring
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To: willk
Why They are trying to Destroyed Cain in the Primary

There! Fixed it for you!

And the answer is that THEY are scared to death of him! BOTH sides!

10 posted on 11/29/2011 6:28:26 PM PST by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: willk

“Obama and the MSM fear that Romney would have the best chance against Obama.”

I disagree, they are drooling to get Romney as the only pubbie candidate, he’s the most beatable.


11 posted on 11/29/2011 6:28:30 PM PST by DBrow
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To: willk

The GOP has been moderated into a coma while the democrats are starting to make the Taliban seem rational. Maybe its time for conservatives and independents to do some soul searching and figure out where they really stand.


12 posted on 11/29/2011 6:28:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: willk

Romney is a Democratic stooge and a proven Liberal; That’s why the Democratic Party and the liberal media are working overtime to assist his campaign in every way possible.


13 posted on 11/29/2011 6:29:51 PM PST by o2bfree
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To: willk
If you're a crazy person, or someone who wants to grab some attention for yourself, then you tend to want to associate yourself with a person that has some charisma.

That pretty much excludes all of the presidential candidates except Cain.

If these women are being paid to do this, then I wouldn't rule out a rich old guard racist who doesn't want to have to choose between two African Americans in the next election.

14 posted on 11/29/2011 6:30:00 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: willk

This attack was from Romney/Politico/Jonathan Martin/
Rove and the MSM.

Romney is a backstabber bastard.
If he is on the ticket, the GOP will LOSE the House.


15 posted on 11/29/2011 6:30:06 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: mnehring

“Cain publicly embarrassing a certain president on national television...”

I need reminding on this, interesting!


16 posted on 11/29/2011 6:30:27 PM PST by DBrow
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To: willk

Sorry, but your premise is completely wrong.

Cain ain’t destroyed, but your boy Romney was dead (politically) before he started.


17 posted on 11/29/2011 6:31:07 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: willk

I don’t know which candidate would have the best chance of beating BO, but I would feel better if BO played some dirty tricks on Romney.


18 posted on 11/29/2011 6:31:26 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: willk

You mean “Why They Are Trying to Destroy Cain in the Primary.”


19 posted on 11/29/2011 6:31:32 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: DBrow
"he’s the most beatable"

Romney has his problems, but he certainly isn't the most beatable.

I may agree with Santorum over 90% of the time, be he's burnt toast if he goes up against Obama.

20 posted on 11/29/2011 6:31:41 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: willk
Just why in the world, would conservatives supporting Cain, switch to an amnesty supporting liberal like newt and Willard. Why???
21 posted on 11/29/2011 6:32:30 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: 95B30

>I suspect it is the RNC. They want Romney since he is more of the elitist establishment RINO type.

I think I’d vote for Obama rather than Romney, if all I had were the two to choose from, primarily because I think that the only real difference would be a ‘D’ to ‘R’ label-change.
That-said, there’s third party candidates, so if the RNC is determined to push Romney that’s where I’m going.


22 posted on 11/29/2011 6:32:32 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Misterioso
Cain has a narcissistic side no one wanted to notice.

Say what? Care to explain that thought?

23 posted on 11/29/2011 6:32:40 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: willk

I’m sorry but I disagree with the idea about Cain.
Cain cannot be allowed to win the primary.
Obama needs a rich white guy to run against, not a well spoken successful black man.
I like neither of the top two alleged candidates.
No one has voted and the polls are phoney, in my opinion.
Paul, santorum and bachman are not being given a real opportunity.
Johnson of new mmexico and buddy roemer are not even considered.
This is rigged to promote Gingrich or mittens


24 posted on 11/29/2011 6:32:45 PM PST by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: willk

Woman’s vote - not this woman and not any that I know.


25 posted on 11/29/2011 6:33:38 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: DBrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WP5dYfBBzU

Still putting some of it together but the question came from, who would have known about these bimbos to find them. You can’t just post on Facebook, ‘hey, I filed a harassment claim..’ Someone had to seek them out.

Shortly after this incident, Cain goes on to head the National Restaurant Association- the main goal is to lobby Washington on behalf of restaurants. Cain would be going to all sorts of political events which means, background checks, specifically FBI background checks..

...then we get to missing FBI files and a certain first lady...

All just speculating at this point.. but the idea seems to fill in some gaps.


26 posted on 11/29/2011 6:33:50 PM PST by mnehring
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To: willk

Wow. Primary over. Vote Cain 2012. Vote Perry on 12 NOVEMBER 2012.


27 posted on 11/29/2011 6:34:06 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: mnehring

I saw that ... some townhall or something. right?


28 posted on 11/29/2011 6:34:50 PM PST by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
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To: willk

So he is essentially the Democrats dream version of a Republican candidate?
And conservative Republicans are supposed to vote for him because socialist Democrats say so?

Put down the bong, and walk away from the keyboard.


29 posted on 11/29/2011 6:35:53 PM PST by sarasmom (At this point it's either Cain or I write in Mickey Mouse.)
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To: napscoordinator
Vote Perry on 12 NOVEMBER 2012.

Must be over 21...

30 posted on 11/29/2011 6:36:01 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Misterioso
Allegations have been made against Cain, we know for a fact newt cheated with two women and was probably turned down many time that we do not know about. Why in the hell does the guilty party get a pass.
31 posted on 11/29/2011 6:36:46 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: willk
Obama and the MSM fear that Romney...

In what universe.

BHO and gang want Romney because they will slaughter him in the general.

Really, fear him hahahahah.

32 posted on 11/29/2011 6:37:32 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: willk

Piss on Romney and all you liberal Romney sycophants


33 posted on 11/29/2011 6:38:04 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: buccaneer81; Misterioso

Actually, ANYONE who runs for President has a narcissistic side. It’s just a matter of degree and a matter of being able to control it - or not.


34 posted on 11/29/2011 6:38:42 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: willk

There’s a Primary? Just one? When is it?


35 posted on 11/29/2011 6:38:45 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Cain = Zipper Problem; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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To: willk

“(notice too how Cain initially suspected Newt and not Romney).”

Okay. I missed this. What do you mean he suspected newt first?
Gremlins have been throwing me offline for hours at a time snd I need to catch up here.


36 posted on 11/29/2011 6:39:00 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: willk

Maybe if ya’ll keep saying that Cain is toast, destroyed, can’t win, etc......it will happen....

OH WAIT!

It keeps being said, and it is still NOT TRUE!

With the amount of effort put out to take down Cain, by media, pundits, desperate women, elitists, etc; and he is still so soundly supported, just think if so many cowards weren’t running what We the People could really do to clean up DC.....


37 posted on 11/29/2011 6:39:38 PM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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Karl Rove said that Gloria Alred gives Cain’s accuser credibility. Who’s going to defend Romney if he wins?


38 posted on 11/29/2011 6:40:17 PM PST by Politics4US
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To: 95B30

They’re just fine with Newt as well, for the same reasons.


39 posted on 11/29/2011 6:40:29 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: Mmogamer

This must have been written by Bill “Ted Baxter” O’Reilly, as he pronounced Mr. Cain “done” tonight.


40 posted on 11/29/2011 6:41:03 PM PST by bigbob
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To: willk
Dude.

I don't think the commies are that well organized.

This is opportunism on their part.

Do we have a sh!tty slate of candidates? Sure, there's no doubt about it.

Still, the GOP is likely to win big in 2012 no matter the candidate.

Too bad it won't be Palin with Christie as VP.

However, as the GOP is want to do, it will likely be Romney or Newt. If I'm forced to hold my nose in the primary between those two, I'll pull the lever for Newt...the illegal loving and lawless, corrupt politician that he is.

Anybody But Obama.

41 posted on 11/29/2011 6:41:12 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: willk

Do you think Mitt Romney’s ineligibility, death panels,
BIGDIG fiasco, love for fees/taxes, or lying
is going to give him the biggest traction with his
supporters like you?


42 posted on 11/29/2011 6:41:55 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: mnehring
Well, that assumes these women are telling the truth and weren't just recruited to lie.

Given the associations with Chicago and Axelrod, for whom the sexual dirt attack on behalf of Obama is such a modus operandi that it's a signature, I suspect the latter. And of course, anything Gloria Allred is involved in is a scam.

43 posted on 11/29/2011 6:41:59 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: org.whodat

Because we NOW know that the new newt is really, under all that phony exterior, a ‘humane’ and brilliant man who can REmake the meaning of ‘is’ into WAS...and everyone knows that WAS doesn’t really count, only what ‘is’.


44 posted on 11/29/2011 6:45:42 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Well, that assumes these women are telling the truth and weren't just recruited to lie.

Not really, they just had to have been known to have filed complaints which no one is disputing. What is disputed is if the complaints are true or not. Those type of complaints happen all the time in businesses as people look for paydays.

Also, remember, what was defeated due to this was Hillarycare, not just some minor bill, but their crown jewel. Some of the players now like Axelrod and Rahm worked for Clinton at the time.

(I think the latest one is just an opportunist who saw the others and is looking for a payday.)

45 posted on 11/29/2011 6:47:26 PM PST by mnehring
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To: org.whodat
"Just why in the world, would conservatives supporting Cain, switch"

Because he's an idiot when it comes to the Constitution of the United States.

I cite as one example his recommendation that we allow all states to set their own immigration rules.

The man is not fit, knowledge-wise, to be POTUS.

One must know what the Constitution says and what it means to be considered by ANY thinking person.

Yes, they must have principles, and leadership, and conviction and all sorts of other qualities.

But primarily they should be knowledgeable of the Constitution and it's intent as the primary requisite.

Cain doesn't cross that threshold and I could cite several examples.

A CinC that doesn't have an opinion on Iran or Israeli settlements?

Give me a break...

46 posted on 11/29/2011 6:51:32 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: willk

Ignore the polls. They mean nothing. In December of 2003 we were all gearing up for Howard Dean to be the democRATS pick to run against Bush. Kerry at that point was way back and not considered a viable candidate. Look how quickly that turned! It could happen here.

All our candidates are far from perfect. Romney, Huntsman and Perry are three I won’t even consider casting a Primary vote for.

Newt at this point is the new flavor of the month. But as we are all reminded of his baggage (his affairs, his sitting on a couch with Pelosi, his attack on Paul Ryan, etc), I won’t be surprised to see to see the “front runner” shift again. Who knows, maybe Bachmann will have a resurgence, maybe Cain, maybe even Ron Paul. Maybe Sarah Palin will decide the field sucks and jump in. Who knows?

Bottom line is once the candidate is pickedthe whole focus of the election will change. It will no longer be about the Republican candidate. It will be about Obama and only Obama.

The media will lie and tell you “what a tight race this is. It’s neck and neck.” Truth be told, it won’t be close. Obama has a low 30’s% approval among independents. They won’t vote for him no matter how much doubt they have about the Republican candidate. They want him gone. Obama’s aproval among Democrats is on 72%. That’s not good enough to rally the base.

This election will be like 1980. Most independents had doubts about Reagan. But they voted for him because he wasn’t Carter. That will happen again, they will vote for the man (or woman) not named Barack “Barry” Hussien Obama-Dunham-Soetero-Obama

Lets just hope the Republican candidate will as Conservative as possible. If it’s Romney, we’ll just go from hard core Marxisim to medium core Socialism.


47 posted on 11/29/2011 6:54:13 PM PST by GR_Jr.
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To: willk
"Whatever you feel about Romney,......."
48 posted on 11/29/2011 6:56:51 PM PST by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: willk
Newt will beat obama in the general. The classic way for the dems to win is to keep the conservative Republican base home. Romney accomplishes this. Once Newt is nominated and the focus is on his ideas the base will come around. After three debates with obama Newt will lead by 10+ points.
49 posted on 11/29/2011 6:58:41 PM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: napscoordinator

Showing your age again? After the primary, I hope we will ALL be able to get behind one candidate and vote OBAMA out of office.


50 posted on 11/29/2011 6:59:49 PM PST by lahargis (Out with Barry in with Perry. Perry is our energy candidate!)
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