Skip to comments.Halal USA
Posted on 11/30/2011 8:52:38 AM PST by bayouranger
Back on March 1, 2010, almost 2 years ago I wrote,
What is happening here is no different than what happened in Europe. Well, maybe a bit different, I think, because in Europe Sharia was creeping into the society and here it is steamrolling.
No matter how many examples I give, no matter how much occurs day after day in this country, there are still those that say Creeping Sharia, is not happening here.
Well, I guess thats true, its not creeping. According to one dictionary the word creep is defined as,
to approach slowly, imperceptibly, or stealthily
When it comes to Sharia in the U.S., there is nothing slow, imperceptible or stealthy about it. Its in our face every day and now its even the food we buy and its becoming more so daily.
What do the companies Costco, Wal-Mart, Whole Foods, Kentucky Fried Chicken, McDonalds and Subway all have in common? They all serve or sell Halal foods in some, or even all of their locations. If you dont care you may want to re-think it.
First lets examine exactly what Halal means and for that we can go right to the source. According to the Halal Food Authority website,
The word 'halal' literally means permissible- and in translation it is usually used as lawful.
The Halal food Authority rules for halal are based on Islamic Sharia. Opposite to halal is haram, which means unlawful or forbidden.
Put plainly and simply, Halal is part of Sharia law or Islamic law.
A study by Pew,The Future of the Global Muslim Population from earlier this year states that Muslims in the U.S. make up only 2.6 million or .08 percent of the overall population.
Of course, depending on where you live that number may be higher or lower. For example, the area of the U.S. that I live in, Muslims make up only .02 percent of the population. So why does my local Costco sell Halal meats and poultry?
When asked, the Costco Management said they are selling to their base. Really? When asked if the sales of their meats or poultry have gone up since they started carrying Halal foods, the answer was a simple no, its about the same. When asked, then why bother to sell it at all, the answer was the decision was made at a corporate level.
It would seem then to me, that they are not really selling to their base, but rather folding under pressure from Muslim organizations such as CAIR (the Council on American Islamic Relations) that often use their minority status to their benefit. If you dont cater to the Muslims then you are labeled a racist, a bigot or Islamophobe and threatened with being ostracized by the mainstream media who will gladly portray you and your company as such and play it 24/7.
I say this for several reasons, but the most obvious would be the population of another minority, Jews in America. According to a 2010 report by the North American Jewish Data Bank, Jews in the U.S. numbered over 6.5 million or 2.1 percent of the overall population.
Getting back to where I live, the Jewish and Muslim population is very close in number. Yet, if I want to purchase Kosher food, I have to pre-order it from a Kosher Butcher once a month who then drives from a neighboring state hundreds of miles away and meets those buying his meats in the parking lot of a local synagogue.
But here is the real interesting part. Muslims are permitted to eat both Kosher as well as non-Kosher foods. That is not opinion, but rather written in the Quran in Surah 5:5,
This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them.
People of the book, yes that would be the food of both the Jews and Christians are allowed or lawful for Muslims, yet it does not work the other way around (even though the Quran says it is so).
Some Imams and Muslims will tell you they are not allowed to eat non-Halal, my question in response, what did Muslims eat prior to Halal food being available here in the U.S.?
There used to be a Kosher butcher in my town, he served both Jews and Muslims until 9/11. After 9/11 the Imam at the local Mosque told his members to no longer support Jewish owned stores and the Kosher butcher went out of business shortly thereafter because without the local Muslim population as patrons, he no longer sold enough to remain open.
Its humorous that according to the Quran, both Jews and Christians are allowed to eat their food, but according to the book that matters, that is totally false and forbidden. Anything connected to idolatry or idol worship is forbidden both in Biblical text and in rabbinic law as explained in Exodus 20:3-5
3. You shall not have the gods of others in My presence. 4. You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness which is in the heavens above, which is on the earth below, or which is in the water beneath the earth. 5. You shall neither prostrate yourself before them nor worship them, for I, the Lord, your God, am a zealous God, Who visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons, upon the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me
Kosher is far from Halal. Aside from both Jews and Muslims not eating pork there are many foods that Muslims can eat that Jews cannot. The overall preparation of Kosher is different than that of Halal, the mixing of meat and milk is totally forbidden by Kosher Jews, but not Halal. Muslims can eat shell fish, Kosher Jews cannot, I could go on and on, but the bottom line is they are far from even being close to the same.
When it comes to the slaughter of the animal, Halal is where both Jews and Christians should have issue. Again, according to the Halal Food Authority website in order for an animal to be slaughtered according to Halal, the butcher must be facing Mecca and recite the "shahada or tasmiya, Bismillah Allahu Akbar" while the animal is killed.
So what does this mean to Christians who make up approximately 84 percent of the population? For this question I consulted my friend Pastor Scott Stewart, MA. Pastor Stewart holds both a BA and a M.A. in Middle Eastern History and is currently completing his PhD.
According to Pastor Stewart,
As Gentiles were beginning to accept Jesus as the Jewish Messiah and thereby were now connected to the Jewish faith through that acceptance a set of rules were put into place; not for the purpose of salvation but for inclusion into the greater body of Judaism. The rules set upon for the Gentiles are known Theologically as the "Noahide Laws" and Acts 15:28-29 provides a synopsis of those laws:
"For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves ye shall do well..."
Based upon the scriptural prohibition given to us in Acts 15 Christians are prohibited from consuming any meats that may have been offered up to idols, which would most certainly include any Islamic certified "Halal" meat. As it is commonly known "Halal" meat is meat that has been set aside, consecrated and offered to the god of Islam making it unfit for either Jewish or Christian consumption.
There is another side to the idol point as well. Mecca, Saudi Arabia is home to the Black Stone known in Arabic as al-á¸¤ajar al-Aswad. This rock is the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba, the ancient stone building towards which Muslims pray, in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
During the yearly ritual of the Hajj Muslim pilgrims circle the Kaaba to stop and kiss the Black Stone, emulating the kiss that it received from Muhammad, according to Islamic tradition. The website Sacred Sites offers this explanation of the black stone,
Whatever its ultimate origin, the stone was most probably a sacred object of the pre-Islamic Arabian nomads who had settled around the Zamzam spring that flows at the center of old Mecca. Upon completion of the Kaba, Abraham and Ishmael, accompanied by the archangel Gabriel, then performed all the elements which constitute the Hajj ritual of today.
According to the original words of Muhammad, the Hajj pilgrimage is the fifth of the fundamental Muslim practices known as the 'Five Pillars of Islam'. The Hajj is an obligation to be performed at least once by all male and female adults whose health and finances permit it.
Entering the great Mosque in Mecca, the pilgrim first walks seven times around the Kaba shrine in a counterclockwise direction; this ritual is called turning, or tawaf. Next, entering into the shrine, the pilgrim kisses the sacred stone.
So in order for an animal to be slaughtered according to halal, it or the butcher must be facing Mecca and the Black stone, the very definition of idol worship.
Just 2 days ago Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA) reported that an Australian Member of Parliament, Luke Simpkins, told the Parliament,
By having Australians unwittingly eating Halal food we are all one step down the path towards the conversion, and that is a step we should only make with full knowledge and one that should not be imposed upon us without us knowing.
Mr. Simpkins said he had carried out an unofficial survey in his northern-suburbs electorate of Cowan and had discovered that most meat at major chains such as Coles or Woolworths had been killed under Halal conditions, but had not been labeled as such.
He tabled a petition demanding that all Halal meat be clearly identified, complaining people could not buy meat for their "Aussie barbecue" without the influence of the "minority religion".
Mr. Simpkins said that Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w.w) had talked of how Islam could be expanded around the world by getting people to eat Halal meat. "He reportedly said, 'The non-believers will become Muslims when, amongst other things, they eat the meat that we have slaughtered'. This is one of the key aspects to converting non-believers to Islam," Mr. Simpkins said.
The petition tabled by Mr. Simpkins had been organised by the Barnabas Fund, an organisation that supports Christians living in Muslim countries.
The Barnabas Funds halal petition states: The spread of halal is part of a Muslim commitment to Islamic mission (dawa) and the Islamisation of non-Muslim societies. The imposition of sharia practices on non-Muslims may be interpreted as an assertion of Islamic supremacy.
Once again we must only look overseas to see where we in the U.S. are headed. Right now we can see the Halal labels on our food, but how long before we are facing the same situation as Australia and not knowing?
I guess it all depends on if you care if what you are eating is halal. After all, you are what you eat.
Maybe they serve Halal foods so they can open up to a new market, bring in more customers and increase revenues?
KFC is Halal??? Nooooooooooooooooo!! That is my favorite fast food joint. Tell me it ain’t so.
Ahh, but while Islam is many things, a good many of them negative, it is not idolatry.
Idolatry refers to the worship of images. Islam, which is quite literally death on images, by any reasonable standard is therefore less idolatrous than most variants of Christianity, which usually have images, statues, crucifixes, etc. that are show special reverence.
Now one may expand the definition of "idolatry" to mean any false worship, even when there is no physical idol, but that is IMO stretching the definition beyond a reasonable point.
I guess this isn’t the same as offering up thanks for providing food?
Purina anomal chow is halal??
Or is it the cat in the picture?
Not safe for work but this is the new face of KFC.
Also - DO NOT ASK FOR BACON!
Maybe they’re feeding islam’s foot soldiers here in Dar-al-harb.
Just great. I always go to the drive through, twice a year....I need my fix.
Is it all Halal? I can’t eat idol food.
I’m not sure. I don’t follow the ins and outs of various Islamic prayers but from what I can find, the prayers are dedicating the act of killing the animal to Allah.
OK, so I guess they don’t say thanks, just, this is for you.
What is that rock, dressed in drag, in mecca, called again?
The Black Stone of the Ka’aba is not an idol.
Certainly no more so than any icon or statue in a Catholic or Orthodox Church. Of which there are thousands or millions, while there is only one Black Stone.
It’s not accurate that Christians can’t eat food sacrificed to idols, despite what the hucksters pushing the “Noahide law” nonsense say. Corinthians 8 specifically allows it, so long as it is not done in a manner that tempts others to sin.
You’re taking that passage from Corinthians out of context. The prohibited act is not the eating of the food itself, as evidenced by prior verses. That specific situation is cautioned against, because you may be encouraging an idolator by partaking with him after he declares the eating as essentially an act of idolatry. Buying halal food at a grocery store would be covered much more accurately by verses 25-26 of the same chapter:
“25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, The earth is the Lords, and everything in it.”
Idols and false gods are interchangeable to Christians. Any false god, whether he has a physical object representing him or not, is an idol. They can’t think, they can’t speak, they can’t hear, and they can’t answer us. They are created by the minds of men, rather than their hands, but they are still an idol fashioned by man.
Unless it’s so tasty you eat all of it, how can eating food tempt someone to sin?
That was answered in the article. Muslims don’t represent a large market segment and going Halal has not significantly increased sales.
If the Black Stone isn’t an idol, why was it housed in the Kaaba, which was specifically a house of idols?
That’s addressed in Corinthians. Basically, eating the food is no sin, but the act of sacrificing the food to idols is a sin. If, by partaking in the eating of the food, you can be seen as approving of or endorsing the sacrifice, then you could be tempting others to engage in the idolatrous practice.
The story is that the Ka’aba was a house of pure worship established by Abraham, which was later corrupted by idol worship till Mohammed purified it.
The same was essentially true, according to the OT, of the Temple in Jerusalem, which went through numerous episodes of corruption, including idol worship, and purification. So if a period of idol worship in a building makes it forever “a house of idols,” you’ll have to include the Temple Jesus preached in.
The theory that because Islam is guilty of many bad things it must be guilty of all bad things is just idiotic. It’s like saying Nazis must have been cruel to animals because cruelty to animals is bad and Nazis are bad.
In actual fact, of course, Nazis were the first government ever to make a priority of eliminating such cruelty. They preferred to focus their cruelty on people.
Same, IMO, with regard to saying anyone not a Christian, or possibly a Jew, is therefore an idolator. Sikhs, many Buddhists, Parsees and many other faiths would beg to differ.
Does the stainless steel vagina around the black stone count as the idol?
The story called the koran is a lie.
mo-mo purified something? How? Did he thigh it to death?
Perhaps they thought it would, so it was introduced. Since it really makes no difference, I imagine they were covering their potential bases.
Doesn’t make any sense to me, but thanks for the explanation.
“The story is that the Kaaba was a house of pure worship established by Abraham, which was later corrupted by idol worship till Mohammed purified it.”
Well, that’s the revisionist history of the Mohammedans. There’s no evidence it had any connection to Adam, Abraham, or Ishmael before the Muslims invented that backstory to cover up the fact that they were revering a house of idolatry. The earliest accounts of the Kaaba are of it being dedicated to a panoply of idols, so it was, as far as can be determined, always a house of idols. It doesn’t fit the description of any worship center that Hebrews would consecrate, so the Muslim claim is patently ridiculous.
Yes, you’re right, it was about tempting fellow Christians. I was just trying to sum up the gist of it, and it’s a pretty tricky issue, dealing with Christian liberty, which not even most Christians have a clue about nowadays.
Oh, if you check out reply #31, there are some related verses quoted that do talk about not causing non-believers to stumble either, so maybe I was conflating those with the passage in chapter 8.