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Federal pay gap widens, report says
The Washington Post ^ | 11/4/11 | Eric Yoder

Posted on 11/30/2011 12:05:43 PM PST by Retro Llama

The federal government reported Friday that on average, its employees are underpaid by 26.3 percent compared with similar non-federal jobs, a "pay gap" that increased by about 2 percentage points over last year while federal salary rates were frozen....

The pay gap in the Washington-Baltimore area was calculated at 36.9 percent, slightly below the 38.1 percent reported last year. Officials said a variety of factors could have caused that result, including changes in the mix of jobs and switching thousands of Defense Department employees into the general schedule and out of a separate pay system that is being phased out....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: economy; federalemployees; federalpay; federalpaygap; federalwages; labor; workforce
This looks like it could be a factor with the difficulty the government has in hiring and retaining competent staff.
1 posted on 11/30/2011 12:05:45 PM PST by Retro Llama
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To: Retro Llama

I seemed to have heard that the greater Washington area is not feeling the affects of the economy like the rest of the country. I suggest we fired half of them and reduce the pay of the rest so they can suffer with the rest of us.


2 posted on 11/30/2011 12:09:19 PM PST by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has now won the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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To: Retro Llama

And they just keep spending and lending OUR money!

From Zero Hedge:

Global Central Banks “Last Tango in Paris” - “Fire up the printing presses, gang!” Or at Least Lower Swaps Rates 1/2%

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com


3 posted on 11/30/2011 12:09:35 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: Retro Llama

And they just keep spending and lending OUR money!

From Zero Hedge:

Global Central Banks “Last Tango in Paris” - “Fire up the printing presses, gang!” Or at Least Lower Swaps Rates 1/2%

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com


4 posted on 11/30/2011 12:09:47 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: Retro Llama

(sarcasim)Right.

One size fits all pay scale. Evaluate in high cost of living area. Equals “pay gap”.

With the COLA for that area, actual “pay gap” is the other way around.

Also, having to quit or commit a felony in order to be fired, is worth a 30% “pay gap”.


5 posted on 11/30/2011 12:13:53 PM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Retro Llama
To quote Black Flag:

Gimme gimme gimme
I need some more
Gimme gimme gimme
Don't ask what for

6 posted on 11/30/2011 12:14:23 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Retro Llama
If these government employees think they are so underpaid they can go out and get a real job in the private sector or try running their own business.

Most of these federal employees would wet their little girlie panties if they had to do the kind of work a business owner or manager does.

Federal employees can't be fired even if they do little or nothing on the job. They get generous time off, great health benefits and an exorbitant pension.

In return they show up when they feel like it. Perhaps they sit in a meeting or two about some useless bureaucratic nonsense. More likely they do little or nothing.

7 posted on 11/30/2011 12:15:19 PM PST by detective
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To: Retro Llama
The federal government reported Friday that on average, its employees are underpaid by 26.3 percent compared with similar non-federal jobs

LOL! Federal employees conducted a "study" that illustrated that federal employees should be paid much better.

The methods BLS uses have been evolving, in part because funding is being cut off for a salary survey that it traditionally used in the federal pay comparison.

So they didn't have the funds to conduct a study, but the study they didn't conduct shows an increase in their suffering.

BLS presented an alternative set of figures based on a different set of data that showed the pay gap to be still larger.

They have another statistical mangling that can show even greater suffering on their part!

The conservative Heritage Foundation, for example, concluded last year that federal employees are overpaid by 22 percent on average.

For the other perspective.

8 posted on 11/30/2011 12:16:19 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Retro Llama

From the article:
“Under a 2010 law, federal salary schedules were frozen for 2011 and will be frozen again in 2012, though “within-grade” raises that are largely based on longevity still are allowed, as are raises after promotions.”

So, let me see if I got this correct...
Within-grade (i.e. step increases) are still allowed as are raises after promotions.
Well that only leaves cost of living allowance (COLA) increases.
Harumph! Don’t sound like much of a “Pay freeze” to me.

And, in keeping with full disclosure....
I’m a federal employee, working for the Department of Defense.


9 posted on 11/30/2011 12:17:34 PM PST by cuz_it_aint_their_money (I'm voting for Sarah Palin in 2012. Even if I have to write her name in!)
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To: Retro Llama

If they are not equating duties and they are not looking at total compensation, which includes benefits, the report is not worth using as puppy potty training paper.


10 posted on 11/30/2011 12:18:25 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: Retro Llama

Compare what these these Fed. employees make compared to Virgina state employees with similar duties just 20 miles away.


11 posted on 11/30/2011 12:24:22 PM PST by circlecity
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To: Retro Llama

I was thinking the Feds were overpaid by 26%.


12 posted on 11/30/2011 12:24:27 PM PST by rbg81
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To: dead
Unfortunately, the Heritage study turned out to be junk statistics -- they used lump-sum averages that did not account for (among other things) the obvious fact that the private workforce includes all sorts of low-paid grunt-labor jobs that have no government equivalent.

Heck, just the fact that the government can't hire illegal aliens probably accounts for a big chunk of the statistical anomaly in the Heritage numbers.

13 posted on 11/30/2011 12:25:22 PM PST by Retro Llama
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To: Retro Llama
Total BS. I did many salary surveys in both the public and private sector in the 90’s and early 2000’s. When you look at total compensation, such as vacation time sick days, retirement plans, etc., the reverse is ture. in the 90’s public employee's where at about 20% higher in total pay for the same job, and now its closer to 36%.

Then through in that you can't be fired(unless you rat on someone in the department) and you only have to work at about 80% of the same person in the private sector.

14 posted on 11/30/2011 1:03:17 PM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: Retro Llama

As someone who worked for the federal government for 36 years and retired at age 56, there is no doubt that federal workers are better compensated (wages and benefits) than the private sector and the gap is widening. I get a six figure retirement salary, the goverment pays for 72% of my health care insurance costs (about $9,600 a year,) and my pension is linked to inflation increases. I will receive a $3500 annual increase in my federal pension starting tomorrow.


15 posted on 11/30/2011 1:04:37 PM PST by kabar
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To: Retro Llama
Public workers make 43 percent more in total compensation than their private‐sector colleagues (PDF - 09/14/2011)
16 posted on 11/30/2011 1:04:57 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Holding our flawed politicians to higher standards than the enemy’s politicians guarantees they win)
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To: Retro Llama
The military is a huge chunk of the differential.

What does a civilian get paid to work eighteen hour days in a Mideast war zone? How about a buck private?

17 posted on 11/30/2011 1:07:27 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: detective
Speaking of which (private sector) how much does a CEO make?

Got any idea?

Government has ONE CEO!

Should he make the average, or above the average? If so, how much, or should he make LESS than the average?

If you can figure out an answer to that fairly fundamental question (which any board of directors is going to refer to its compensation committee) let us know your thoughts on the matter.

18 posted on 11/30/2011 1:12:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That wasn’t about comparable jobs. The federal government has few cashiers or swimming pool guards for example.


19 posted on 11/30/2011 1:14:12 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: circlecity
The guys who fill chuckholes in Virginia are state government employees. What do you think a Government Research Doctor should get? More than a pavement patcher? Less than a pavement patcher? About the same perhaps?
20 posted on 11/30/2011 1:16:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"The guys who fill chuckholes in Virginia are state government employees. What do you think a Government Research Doctor should get? More than a pavement patcher? Less than a pavement patcher? About the same perhaps?"

I narrowed my comparison to D.C Fed worker and Virgina State workers "with similar duties" so I have no idea what you are talking about. But I don't think a Fed. Research Doctor deserves any more than a State Research Doctor. Although they get substantially more.

21 posted on 11/30/2011 1:23:47 PM PST by circlecity
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To: muawiyah
“Speaking of which (private sector) how much does a CEO make?”

CEO compensation varies greatly depending on the company, the company's performance and compensation agreement the CEO has with the company. Some CEO’s make millions of dollars per year. Some are fired.

No company in their right mind would hire a community organizer who is incapable of speaking without a teleprompter to be their CEO.

If that CEO effectively bankrupted the company, destroyed it's credit rating and continually lied to the Board of Directors and the auditors that CEO would most likely be fired and sent to prison.

22 posted on 11/30/2011 1:50:54 PM PST by detective
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To: circlecity
Most US government employees work somewhere other than DC.

Richmond is a good hour's drive South of here.

Their state accountants get pretty much the same as federal accountants ~

23 posted on 11/30/2011 1:51:00 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: detective

My minority stockholders suit has a core argument that the members of the Board, their spouses and chilluns’ and half the lawyers in the country should not only be fired, they should be imprisoned and fed cheap gruel.


24 posted on 11/30/2011 1:59:59 PM PST by muawiyah
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