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GOP Immigration chairman rips Gingrich’s ‘amnesty’ plan
The Hill ^ | 113011 | Jonathan Easley

Posted on 11/30/2011 12:42:25 PM PST by Fred

The Republican chairman of the Immigration Reform Caucus blasted GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich on Tuesday for calling to allow some illegal immigrants to remain in the country.

Speaking on CNN’s “John King, USA,” Rep. Brian Bilbray (R-Calif.) likened the former House Speaker’s plan to drilling a hole in the bottom of a sinking boat to let the water out.

“Newt, I don’t care who you are,” Bilbray said. “Quit sending the mixed message that we are going to somehow reward or accommodate you if you broke the law while there are those waiting patiently and playing by the rules, waiting to come into this country legally.”

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; amnewtsty; gingrich; illegals; illegals4newt; newt4amnesty; rino
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1 posted on 11/30/2011 12:42:29 PM PST by Fred
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To: Fred
The Republican chairman of the Immigration Reform Caucus ...
And where's your plan Mr. Chairman? WTF are you doing about it ... right now!
2 posted on 11/30/2011 12:45:00 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Fred
Well Brian, I haven't noticed any hard-nosed legislative solutions emanating from YOUR office.....
3 posted on 11/30/2011 12:45:14 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: Fred

If he does not like it, it is all the better that Newt may be right......


4 posted on 11/30/2011 12:47:24 PM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: Fred

Exactly! There may be aspects of Newt’s candidacy that I appreciate, but his immigration stance is a failed approach. How many times will we be forced to repeat the same mistake?


5 posted on 11/30/2011 12:48:55 PM PST by catbertz (Easter egg...I wants it.)
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To: oh8eleven

It is not amnesty, it is legalization of illegals!

There is no need for any grand plan (of which amnesty is always key part). Simply enforce law, mandate e-verify and start building fence.


6 posted on 11/30/2011 12:50:14 PM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane)
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To: oh8eleven
Bilbray is right. Newt is pushing an amnesty. How about this plan:

 Formulate a merit based immigration system that brings in the skills and talents to keep us competitive in the global economy;

 Reduce immigration levels based on need more closely approximating 300,000 a year;

 Eliminate extended chain migration, i.e., family reunification, limiting it to the nuclear family;

 Secure the border;

 Enforce existing immigration laws to reduce the current illegal alien population and limit future illegal immigration, i.e., attrition thru enforcement. Enforcement would include: (1) ending the job magnet; (2) increasing coordination at the federal level by eliminating barriers to information sharing among agencies; (3) leveraging state and local enforcement resources; (4) fully implementing the US-VISIT Program to track and deport visa overstays; and (5) make mandatory and improve such programs as E-Verify and 287 [g] authority to assist employers and law enforcement in identifying illegal aliens;

 Eliminate birthright citizenship and the visa lottery program;

 Ensure that anyone who enters this nation illegally is not rewarded by being permitted to stay and work here; i.e., no amnesty;

 Streamline the processing and adjudication of immigration cases;

 Promote pro-immigrant measures that help newcomers assimilate and embrace the values and principles of our Founders and the Constitution.

7 posted on 11/30/2011 12:50:38 PM PST by kabar
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To: G Larry

I really don’t care whether they have been here 25 years or 25 days. They should remain illegal until they are thrown out or die. If we actually enforced our immigration laws and labor laws we could allow a lot more deserving people to visit friends and families in the US. Right now millions of people can’t come and visit because we have so many who have stayed or come illegally.
It takes at least a year and tons of money and paper work for an American to bring a legit legal spouse. Why should those who have jumped the river or fence get a special deal. Why should they get a chance to work and stay while they wait for their special deal?


8 posted on 11/30/2011 12:51:15 PM PST by Oldexpat (Wh)
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To: G Larry

I really don’t care whether they have been here 25 years or 25 days. They should remain illegal until they are thrown out or die. If we actually enforced our immigration laws and labor laws we could allow a lot more deserving people to visit friends and families in the US. Right now millions of people can’t come and visit because we have so many who have stayed or come illegally.
It takes at least a year and tons of money and paper work for an American to bring a legit legal spouse. Why should those who have jumped the river or fence get a special deal. Why should they get a chance to work and stay while they wait for their special deal?


9 posted on 11/30/2011 12:51:34 PM PST by Oldexpat (Wh)
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To: Fred

10 posted on 11/30/2011 12:54:13 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: Fred

We can’t round up and deport 12 million illegals and we can’t piss off the Hispanic vote, so I guess we gotta leave things the way they are or hand out amnesty./s


11 posted on 11/30/2011 12:54:30 PM PST by umgud
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To: heiss
Definition: Amnesty, from the same Greek root as "amnesia," forgives past crimes and removes them from the record for future purposes. In the context of immigration, amnesty is commonly defined as granting legal status to a group of individuals unlawfully present in a country. It overlooks the alien's illegal entry and ongoing illegal presence and creates a new legal status that allows the recipient to live and work in the country.

You don't need a path to citizenship to be an amnesty. Newt is supporting an amnesty no matter how he trys to change the meaning of the word.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty.

The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty alone would be $2.6 trillion in just additional entitlement costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

12 posted on 11/30/2011 12:55:14 PM PST by kabar
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To: Oldexpat

Can You Spot The Pro-Amnesty RINO?


13 posted on 11/30/2011 12:55:48 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: umgud

The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works.


14 posted on 11/30/2011 12:56:59 PM PST by kabar
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To: Oldexpat

That’s nice.....

Know anybody running for Prez who’s going to implement your approach?

Are they polling in double digits?


15 posted on 11/30/2011 12:56:59 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: oh8eleven

The solution is to seal the border, vigorously enforce the laws already on the books, and support states like AZ and AL in their attempts to deal with it. If it’s impossible for illegals to get hired or get benefits, a fair portion will self deport.

I like Newt, but he’s wrong on this one.


16 posted on 11/30/2011 12:59:31 PM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: South40
Can You Spot The Pro-Amnesty ...

17 posted on 11/30/2011 1:02:17 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

I am not a Gingrich fan and won’t vote for him, but I agree
with your post about this Chairman, who happens to be from CA.

CA has been overrun and IS NEVER COMING BACK.

Why doesn’t this Chairman pass a bill out of his committee, if he is so serious about immigration?


18 posted on 11/30/2011 1:03:06 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Fred

You folks need to start looking at the big picture. Sure, Newt’s immigration plan is a third way compromise between hard line conservative policy and squishy moderate politics, but that is only one issue out of many. They used to call it not being to see the forest for the trees.


19 posted on 11/30/2011 1:04:20 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: kabar
Excellent. To which I would add my own "amnesty" plan after a period of reasonable enfocement:

  1. The first million reporting for voluntary deportation would be given a nice hot box lunch and air-conditioned bus ride with reclining seats over the border with a checked baggage allowance of two suitcases per person.

  2. The second million would get a standard bus ride with a decent sack lunch, bench seating and a one suitcase per person checked baggage allowance.

  3. The third million would get a ride back in a box car or tractor trailer with what they could carry on and be provided with cold cuts, bread, bottled water and granola bars.

All of the foregoing would get an amnesty consisting of the right to apply for legal entrance in the future without having their illegal entry and residence held against them.

After that, my amnesty program would be declared ended and any remaining would be fingerprinted, deported and declared permanently ineligible to re-enter the country as they were discovered.

20 posted on 11/30/2011 1:05:48 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: oh8eleven
Reagan was not right on everything. What he signed gave amnesty to what he thought would be 1.5 million ILLEGALs.

What Gingrich and his pro-amnesty supporters are advocating is to repeat Reagan's mistake ten fold.

No thanks.

21 posted on 11/30/2011 1:07:38 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: illiac

I’m interested in your response. My liberal friends, some of them professionals and educated hate two people more than anyone. Sarah Palin and Newt. They’re luke warm to Romney.

So what does that tell you?

IMHO, Newt can win people over who have a modicum of intelligence because he engages them in the debate and the discussion.

I look forward to more debates and the group of candidates whittling down to two or three.


22 posted on 11/30/2011 1:11:51 PM PST by nikos1121 (Stand up is hard if you're not funny.)
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To: ez

“You folks need to start looking at the big picture. Sure, Newt’s immigration plan is a third way compromise between hard line conservative policy and squishy moderate politics, but that is only one issue out of many. They used to call it not being to see the forest for the”

True, every voter has their own hot button issues. For some, it’s immigration, for some it’s marital infidelity. for others it’s abortion, and for others it’s fiscal disipline, and yet for others, past and present DC Hacks, they are the problem, not the solution.


23 posted on 11/30/2011 1:26:15 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: South40
HEY! No fair.
That's a trick question :-)
24 posted on 11/30/2011 1:33:50 PM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Condor51
Anything less than requiring people who are working here illegally to return home to apply for a worker visa is amnesty.
~Newt Gingrich 4/26/2006
25 posted on 11/30/2011 1:38:10 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: tennmountainman
I am not a Gingrich fan and won’t vote for him
What if it's Newt vs Zero?
You can't sit home and hold your breath until you turn blue.
26 posted on 11/30/2011 1:46:42 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: South40
He thought would be 1.5 million ILLEGALs.
It was 3 million and amnesty is amnesty.

Reagan was not right on everything.

But you'll give him a pass because he was Reagan, while condemning Newt. LOL ...
27 posted on 11/30/2011 1:55:32 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
But you'll give him a pass because he was Reagan, while condemning Newt. LOL

Your comprehension skills are lacking. I have never given Reagan a pass. I think the 1986 amnesty was a blemish on an otherwise great political career. I worked on every presidential campaign Reagan had starting in 1976. I was a big supporter but when it came to amnesty I wrote him and let him know I opposed it and why. As I recall he did respond. But by then it was too late the deed had been done.

Amnesty for ILLEGAL aliens is wrong, whether it proposed by a liberal Harry Reid or signed by a conservative Ronald Reagan. I give no one a pass.

28 posted on 11/30/2011 2:06:07 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: oh8eleven

Ed Meese called the 1986 amnesty a big mistake. Even the Gipper fumbled the ball once or twice.


29 posted on 11/30/2011 2:18:22 PM PST by kabar
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To: oh8eleven

I meant the primaries.

You are right about Bilbray. And I called his office.


30 posted on 11/30/2011 2:24:59 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: South40; oh8eleven
Reagan Would Not Repeat Amnesty Mistake by Edwin Meese III
31 posted on 11/30/2011 2:27:23 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Thanks for the link kabar!

What would President Reagan do? For one thing, he would not repeat the mistakes of the past, including those of his own administration.

While that piece was written 5 years ago I agree with it 100%; we should NOT repeat the same mistake now.

32 posted on 11/30/2011 2:37:52 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: South40
I wrote him and let him know I opposed it and why. As I recall he did respond.
As you recall? The POTUS, Ronaldus Magnus no less, replied to your letter and you vaaaaaaguely recall it?
33 posted on 11/30/2011 3:26:09 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
And where's your plan Mr. Chairman? WTF are you doing about it ... right now!

But he's right. Are you supporting Gingrich's statement or just ignoring it and giving him the benefit of a doubt? Perry sure would have been glad for all the benefitting of a doubt that Newt's been getting.

I guess if you look smart in a debate, you can offer amnesty, believe in global warming and support insurance mandates and none of it matters.

34 posted on 11/30/2011 3:37:58 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: kabar
Reagan Would Not Repeat Amnesty Mistake by Edwin Meese III.
Try and find, "I Would Not Repeat Amnesty Mistake" by Ronald Reagan ... and you can start by looking in the fiction section. That's as bad as the loony left claiming JFK's presidency was like Camelot.
35 posted on 11/30/2011 3:38:21 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
Comprehend much? Obviously not. I never used the word, "vaguely".

I probably wrote President Reagan dozens of times. I do not recall how many times I wrote him nor can I recall how many times I got a response. But I do recall that he responded on the amnesty issue and my memory is not 'vague'.

Good luck

36 posted on 11/30/2011 3:42:03 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: South40
I do not recall how many times I wrote him nor can I recall how many times I got a response.
You sound just like Hillery and you're just as full of crap as she is.
37 posted on 11/30/2011 3:52:59 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
You not only lack the ability to comprehend you lack the ability to make sense.

Good luck to you.

38 posted on 11/30/2011 4:00:33 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: tennmountainman

He’s not chairman of a COMMITTEE; he’s chairman of a CAUCUS. The headline is purposely deceptive to create the impression he heads a committee.


39 posted on 11/30/2011 4:05:13 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Fred
I'm glad someone is speaking out against Newt on this issue. No one can answer this question on any thread though. What has Newt actualy done since his resignation to prove he is true too conservative principles? By that I mean what political office has he held since resigning congress to prove it. Going on TV and talking? Big Deal.

Newt is proof you can resign elected office in disgrace and still run for POTUS with no proof of ever changing. NO NEWT! No Newt immigration policy. NO NO NO.

40 posted on 11/30/2011 4:22:37 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: oh8eleven
And where's your plan Mr. Chairman? WTF are you doing about it ... right now!

So you agree to partial amnesty? Can you give us some deatils, Oh glorious One?

Oh, and good luck with that.

I don't care if they've been here 25 years or 25 minutes, Off they go and they can do it right this time.
Take names, fingerprints and mug shots of every single one, and if they return illegally, ten years at hard labor.
Or they can use the "Mexican Solution." Their family (in Mexico) can ransom them back to Mexico for $150,000 each.

41 posted on 11/30/2011 4:29:01 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: oh8eleven

Don’t you think the 1986 amnesty was a mistake? It was supposed to be a “one-time” amnesty that would resolve the illegal immigration problem. We now have four to ten times the number of illegal aliens who are waiting for a second amnesty. When you reward something, you get more of it. Ed Meese was the Attorney General under Reagan.


42 posted on 11/30/2011 4:37:18 PM PST by kabar
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To: oh8eleven
Can You Spot The Pro-Amnesty ...

No, but I can recognize the moron who forgets the quid pro quo that Congress vowed but failed to deliver (strict Immigration reform, and no repeat.)

I will join you in criticizing Reagan's gullibility. He was tougher with the leadership of the Soviet Union!

43 posted on 11/30/2011 4:37:52 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Fred

Bilbray is right.


44 posted on 11/30/2011 5:07:24 PM PST by Grunthor (Pro-illegal alien "conservatives" piss me off.)
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To: kabar; oh8eleven; South40; Publius6961
Ed Meese has stated that Reagan admitted to be fooled twice by making deals with the Democrats.

The first was the 3 for 1, spending cuts for tax increases deal, with the later implemented immediately and the 3 fold cuts promised never delivered.

The second was the 1986 Immigration Reform & Control Act (IRCA), with the reform/legalization/amnesty implemented immediately and the control promised in the bill never implemented.

Funny how the open border Republicans are trying to resell the immigration reform-enforcement "deal"/sham again - and not the 3 for 1 spending-tax "deal"/sham. After all Reagan was fooled by both. I guess for some, profit comes before sovereignty.

45 posted on 11/30/2011 5:17:17 PM PST by drpix
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To: BfloGuy
"I guess if you look smart in a debate, you can offer amnesty, believe in global warming and support insurance mandates and none of it matters."


46 posted on 11/30/2011 5:53:40 PM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: EDINVA

He’s not chairman of a COMMITTEE; he’s chairman of a CAUCUS. The headline is purposely deceptive to create the impression he heads a committee”

Does that prevent him from introducing his own bills?

He can introduce any bill he wants. And if he does not not backing from a “committee” he can make that known.

So, whats holding HIM back?


47 posted on 11/30/2011 7:17:57 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman

“He can introduce any bill he wants.”

True, but usually they need ‘co-sponsors’ and to know that the bill has a chance of being taken up by the relevant committee(s), with some chance of getting thru the committee(s) to the floor. Otherwise, it’s just grandstanding (as this interview appears to have been). It’s one thing to go on a CNN interview (of all places) but quite another to introduce a bill into the Congress.


49 posted on 11/30/2011 8:52:48 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: kabar
Guess what. Practically everything on your list is covered, and more, by Newt's plan.

Nice try.

50 posted on 11/30/2011 9:53:58 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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