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Vanity: Did anyone catch Newt on Hannity last nite?

Posted on 12/01/2011 10:17:53 AM PST by Maceman

I don't have time to write about my reaction, but I would be interested in the perspective of my fellow Freepers.

Personally, I thought Newt was VERY impressive, and for a whole hour.

I still haven't decided whom to support (not that it matters, since the Massachusetts primary is not going be a game changer anyway).

I have been in Cain's camp, but I am reassessing in light of what I perceive as the Cain team's mis-management of the whole sex attack thing.

Also, rightly or wrongly, unless Cain manages to win a very sympathetic public vindication in a very short time I am seriously doubting his ability to continue in this race.

I'm sad about that. But I was greatly impressed by Newt last nite for a lot of reasons I don't have time to get into just now.

What did alla y'alls think?


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1 posted on 12/01/2011 10:17:57 AM PST by Maceman
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To: Maceman

Know them by their Fruit

Some of Newt’s Progressive Dossier:

04/02/1987 – He cosponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine
10/22/1991 – He voted for an amendment that would create a National Police Corps.
03/–/1993 – He Voted for sending $1.6 Billion in foreign aid to Russia.
11/19/1993 – He voted for the NAFTA Implementation Act.
11/27/1994 – He supported the GATT Treaty subjecting US Sovereignty to the WTO
08/27/1995 – He suggests that drug smuggling should carry a death sentence.
04/25/1996 – Voted for the single largest increase on Federal education spending ($3.5 Billion)
04/10/1995 – He supported Federal tax dollars being spent on abortions.
06/01/1996 – He helped a Democrat switch parties in an attempt to defeat Ron Paul in the 1996 election.
09/25/1996 – Introduced H.R. 4170, demanded life-sentence or execution for someone bringing 2 ounces of marijuana across the border.
01/22/1997 – Congress gave him a record-setting $300,000 fine for ethical wrongdoing.
11/29/2006 – He said that free speech should be curtailed in order to fight terrorism. Wants to stop terrorists from using the internet. Called for a “serious debate about the 1st Amendment.”
11/29/2006 – He called for a “Geneva Convention for terrorists” so it would be clear who the Constitution need not apply to.
02/15/2007 – He supported Bush’s proposal for mandatory carbon caps.
09/28/2008 – Says if he were in office, he would have reluctantly voted for the $700B TARP bailout.
10/01/2008 – Says in an article that TARP was a “workout, not a bailout.”
12/08/2008 – He was paid $300,000 by Freddie Mac to halt Congress from bringing necessary reform.
03/31/2009 – Says we should have Singapore-style drug tests for Americans.
07/30/2010 – Says that Iraq was just step one in defeating the “Axis of Evil”.
08/03/2010 – Advocates attacks on Iran & North Korea.
08/16/2010 – Opposes property rights of the mosque owner in NYC.
11/15/2010 – He defended Romneycare
12/05/2010 – He said that a website owner should be considered an enemy combatant, hunted down and executed, for publishing leaked government memos.
01/30/2011 – He lobbied for ethanol subsidies.
01/30/2011 – He suggested that flex-fuel vehicles be mandated for Americans.
02/13/2011 – He criticized Obama for sending less U.S. taxdollars to Egypt.
02/15/2011 – His book said that he believes man-made climate-change and advocated creating “a new endowment for conservation and the environment.”
03/09/2011 – He blames his infidelity to multiple wives on his passion for the country.
03/15/2011 – Says that NAFTA worked because it created jobs in Mexico.
03/19/2011 – He has no regrets about supporting Medicare drug coverage. (Now $7.2T unfunded liability)
03/23/2011 – He completely flip-flopped on Libyan intervention in 16 days.
03/25/2011 – He plans to sign as many as 200 executive orders on his first day as president.
04/25/2011 – He’s a paid lobbyist for Federal ethanol subsidies.
05/12/2011 – He was more supportive of individual health-care mandates than Mitt Romney.
08/01/2011 – He hired a company to create fake Twitter to appear as if he had a following.
10/07/2011 – He said he’d ignore the Supreme Court if need be.
11/16/2011 – Was revealed he actually received 1.6 million from Freddie Mac, vs. his previously stated $300,000-

2009-2010 Travels around the country with Al Sharpton and Arne Duncan to promote President Obama’s new educational policies: i.e. increased local control of schools with increased Federal subsidies and regulations from Washington.

2010 Supported ultra-liberal, pro-abortion, pro-union, establishment candidate Dede Scozzafava in New York’s 23rd Congressional District in a special election, over conservative candidate Doug Hoffman.

1995 Gingrich Wrote the foreword to Alvin Toffler’s book, “The Politics of the Third Wave, Creating a New Civilization” and advocated all members of Congress should read the book. The book calls for a “New Democracy” for the 21st century which is essentially based on following Plato’s Third Wave virtues:
1. Private property must be abolished, the wealthy hated and their wealth redistributed by state mandate.
2. Children belong to, and are born to serve the state. The influence of parents is noxious and disruptive to the interest of the state, thus every child should be raised in government nurseries, without knowledge of who his or her parents are and without the parents having knowledge of who their offspring are. Every child becomes the common property of every parent in the city. Every parent has the collective duty to watch over them.
3. Private education, like traditional parenting, is at the very headwaters of falsehood and social strife. It must be eliminated and replaced with a closely monitored state school system.
4. Old values passed down in history, song, children’s books, all need to be rewritten to discredit and erase the old virtues and to exalt and enthrone the new.
5. Frivolous children’s games eliminated, new games developed that emphasize law and order.
6. Private industry is self serving. State should have absolute control of all industry for benefit of the whole.
7. Class mobility is a revolutionary idea that threatens the stability of the state and the pre-eminence of true philosophy. A strict caste system and the elimination of career choice is the answer.
8. Talent must never be allowed to wander or be wasted. Early on, children must be identified and channeled by the state for the benefit of the state into careers selected by the state.
9. Under the guise of equality, women ought to be exploited: first to foment ‘class war’ during the Third Wave (women’s roles are reversed to men’s); next, to be promptly put into their place as part of a ‘community of women’ to be shared collectively by male guardians.
10. Selective breeding is beneficial to the state.
11. Unwanted babies, inferior babies, deformed babies, and the adult handicapped are an unnecessary drag on the prosperity and well-being of society. They should be left to die. Unproductive adults, likewise, should be terminated.
12. Homosexuality is morally acceptable and homosexual rape of lower-class males and boys is a right of rulers, guardians and war heroes.
13. Only a few men are foreordained to understand life and higher good… the rest are equivalent of dumb sheep.
14. Absolute loyalty to the government is vital for the success and safety of society. A state sanctioned National Police network is an essential good.
15. Wealth is not essential to the safety of the state.

- Gingrich voted to permit the Federal Reserve to purchase Treasury Debt
- Bailed out savings and loan institutions in 1991. $40B Bank bailout
- Gingrich voted to strengthen the federal home loan agencies
- Gingrich voted for increased powers to the FDIC to bail out struggling savings and loans through reorganization, purchase of bad assets, or recapitalization.
- Gingrich voted in favor of the Chrysler Bailout in 1979
- Gingrich voted for an oil windfall profits tax in 1979, which was signed by Jimmy Carter.
- Urged the House to repeal the War Powers Act and give the Presidency more power.
- Urged Clinton to expand military presence in Bosnia.
- Gingrich voted against a provision requiring congressional approval prior to deployment of U.S. troops into Central America in 1983.
- Gingrich voted to increase CIA secrecy and against any requirement that the President report covert activity to congress before it is initiated.
- Gingrich voted for Jimmy Carter’s “Energy Mobilization Board.”
- Gingrich voted for an increase in taxes on coal producers in 1981
- Gingrich voted for a 5-cent increase in the gas tax to fund highway and other mass-transit projects.
- Gingrich was one of the few who voted against the 1984 bill requiring the President and Congress to submit a balanced budget
- Gingrich voted for a congressional pay raise
- Gingrich voted against a bipartisan 1% cut to the Department of Defense budget for 1983


2 posted on 12/01/2011 10:20:34 AM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

That’s a huge list. Where did you get it?


3 posted on 12/01/2011 10:23:07 AM PST by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: JohnKinAK

the liust says more about you tahn it does newt. it shows you likely live in the dark under a rock.


4 posted on 12/01/2011 10:24:47 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Maceman

I don’t think Cain mismanaged the sex thing at all.

Is it really a reasonable expectation to record the minutes of everybody that you meet, just in case one of those thousands of people accuses you of bad things?


5 posted on 12/01/2011 10:26:43 AM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: bert

Really? Is that the best you can do? Instead of telling us where this list is wrong you attack your fellow FReeper who posted it?

I want to know specifics - facts - where this is wrong. That’s the kind of thing we need to know.


6 posted on 12/01/2011 10:28:22 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: Maceman

I’m voting for Newt. Just based on his record when he was in Congress, he was certainly Conservative.

The stupid things he said while he was a private citizen don’t concern me to the point I won’t vote for him. No, I’m not happy about them, but, what can you do.

I think he will take it to Barry and I think Romney will do a “McCain” (we don’t have to be afraid of an Obama Presidency). He’s the fiestiest of the crew.

He has a 94% rating from the ACU. Can’t get much better than that.

We will have to WATCH HIM ALL THE TIME. But we will have to be all over any one of them.

I shudder to think of Perry facing Obama.
Debating Obama would give Bachmann a headache.
Cain v. Obama? Oye!


7 posted on 12/01/2011 10:28:22 AM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: MiddleEarth
Newt is for Newt and no different than Big "O" or the slickster. I read somewhere's that Newt is to policy what Clinton was to sex; gettin real there.

Why are so many of the leaders in the race so dishonest & filthy; hate being forced to vote for such candidates.

8 posted on 12/01/2011 10:29:09 AM PST by Eska
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To: JohnKinAK

Can you just put that next to the Romney list and I’ll vote for the “short-list”? ;-)


9 posted on 12/01/2011 10:30:24 AM PST by rhombus
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To: SuzyQue

We will be voting for a conservative republican, not a reactionary


10 posted on 12/01/2011 10:30:46 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: bert

And, you can’t even stay on topic for my question. What the heck does that have to do with your original comment?


11 posted on 12/01/2011 10:32:51 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: bert; MiddleEarth

Information on Newt is freely available on many publications/websites.

Philosphically his core beliefs seem to go back to Plato as pointed out in the Third Wave, which puts him in good company with Elitist/Academia types.

IMHO; He’s a very dangerous Silver Tongued Snake


12 posted on 12/01/2011 10:33:13 AM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

To: Maceman
Know them by their Fruit

Some of Newt’s Progressive Dossier:

04/02/1987 – He cosponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine

2 posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:20:34 PM by JohnKinAK

+++ %%% ####

Didn’t get past #1. He supported it (Fairness Doctrine) because, at the time, the only news we had was, Cronkite, Huntley-Brinkley and one other socialist news network.

There are plenty of things Newt did that I’m not thrilled with but starting right off with something that may have been reasonable at the time, does not help your cause.

He supported it because he believed CONSERVATISM was in danger.


13 posted on 12/01/2011 10:33:17 AM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Maceman
I thought Newt was VERY impressive, and for a whole hour.

Wow, he batted every one of Hannity's softballs out of the park? How impressive!

/sarc

14 posted on 12/01/2011 10:33:41 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Reagan69
Cain v. Obama?

"Ahhhhh.....how about you go first, Mr. President??"

15 posted on 12/01/2011 10:35:35 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Gingrich/Cain 2012)
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To: Reagan69

Supporting the Fairness Doctrine goes against Conservatism, as it was when the Fairness Doctrine was REMOVED (Thank you Ronald Reagan) that we got the likes of Rush Limbaugh.


16 posted on 12/01/2011 10:36:23 AM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK
Okay that's the second thread I've seen your list......

Spam much?

17 posted on 12/01/2011 10:36:59 AM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: JohnKinAK

why do you continually post this stuff? What’s your point?

If anyone is interested, this is a good read from a reporter who has listened to Newt’s interviews with SC voters.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/284602/wonk-robert-costa


18 posted on 12/01/2011 10:37:26 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: Maceman

Newt mocked the Tea Party and dissed Sarah Palin. He is not on my list of people to consider for the WH. NEVER.


19 posted on 12/01/2011 10:38:22 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: bert
the liust says more about you tahn it does newt. it shows you likely live in the dark under a rock.

That's one of the most ignorant statements I've seen on this forum for quite some time, and I've seen some doozies.

Since when does recognizing a candidate's actual record constitute "living under a rock" among conservatives?

You want us to airbrush out Newt's past, like the Dems did for Obama? Sheeesh.....

20 posted on 12/01/2011 10:39:06 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SuzyQue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Newt_Gingrich

The list just posted against Newt was a small fraction of the countless other good things Newt did and was edited on purpose to make him look as bad as possible.

The above link shows Newt’s actual current stands
and also shows his conservative strengths and logical ability to run government. But above all else, it is a more fair and not so dishonest comparison as well.


21 posted on 12/01/2011 10:43:01 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

A real answer! Thanks, PF.


22 posted on 12/01/2011 10:46:47 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: nikos1121

Simply to help people decern, and not fall for the Establishment’s next Progressive just because he/she is not Obama. Know them by their Fruits, not their Words.


23 posted on 12/01/2011 10:47:16 AM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK
Philosphically his core beliefs seem to go back to Plato as pointed out in the Third Wave, which puts him in good company with Elitist/Academia types.

Sarah Palin quoted Plato in her book too, remember??

Yours appears to be the Angle/O'Donnell/Cain/Palin mindset which is very, very strong on FR. It's the mindset which holds that naivete and artlessness are not only acceptable in a candidate, they are downright required. Even a hint of scholarly attainment in a candidate is despised.

This is an understandable reaction to the we-know-better-than-you hyper academicism of the Obama administration. But it's an overreaction, and in my opinion it's gone way too far.

24 posted on 12/01/2011 10:50:17 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Gingrich/Cain 2012)
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To: Maceman

I haven’t picked a candidate because as a WA voter, who knows who I’ll actually get to vote for. I found Newt very impressive last night. It will be ugly if he gets the nomination, but I loved the idea of him following Obama around a rebutting what he says.

It’s going to be an ugly, hard election no matter who our candidate is.

On a sidenote, I found Romney’s snarkiness on Fox exciting. He knows he’s stuck at 25 percent. He looked less like the annoited one and more like the floundering one.


25 posted on 12/01/2011 10:51:10 AM PST by mockingbyrd
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To: BunnySlippers
Newt ... dissed Sarah Palin.

Oh dear.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Shall we hang him, or will nothing less than drawing and quartering suffice???

26 posted on 12/01/2011 10:52:26 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Gingrich/Cain 2012)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

27 posted on 12/01/2011 10:52:26 AM PST by greenhornet68
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To: SuzyQue
You are certainly welcome!

In all honesty, there needs to be a more open and pragmatic discussion around here. Above all else, honesty, full disclosure and respect for each others positions.

28 posted on 12/01/2011 10:53:46 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: JohnKinAK
08/01/2011 – He hired a company to create fake Twitter to appear as if he had a following.

Must be the same company that has created all the fake support for him today.

Looks like it's working.

29 posted on 12/01/2011 10:55:42 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: Maceman

He’s the only one so far that kicks Obama and the media in the nuts regularly and doesnt sound like an imbecile while doing so. A debate with him and Obama would have Zero curling up in the fetal position begging for his teleprompters. LOL.


30 posted on 12/01/2011 10:56:27 AM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Windflier
You want us to airbrush out Newt's past

I don't put Newt on a pedestal at all. I leave that sort of thing for more naive Freepers to do with their candidates of choice.

Newt is not my hero. I don't go to sleep with his picture under my pillow.

To me he is simply the least imperfect of those who are liable to wind up on my primary ballot.

If DeMint, Daniels, Barbour, Ryan, or Jindal were in the race, Newt would not be my first choice.

But they aren't and he is.

31 posted on 12/01/2011 10:56:32 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Gingrich/Cain 2012)
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To: greenhornet68

In 2007, Gingrich released the book A Contract with the Earth, co-written with Terry Maple. In the book, Gingrich presented his policies for a market-based approach to environmentalism that incentivizes conservation and green technology, rather than relying on regulations or litigation.[49] In particular, Gingrich has proposed using monetary prizes and tax incentives to spur environmentally friendly innovations, such as hydrogen engines, 100-mile-per-gallon conventional fuel engines and ethanol fuels that do not rely on corn or cane sugar.[47]

Gingrich has expressed skepticism in interviews that mankind is significantly altering the climate, yet supports curbing carbon emissions as an act of prudence. Like many of his environmental positions, he believes this is best accomplished through market-incentives, rather than taxes or cap-and-trade plans. He has opposed the Kyoto Protocol, stating that the protocols unfairly favor Europe, China and India to the disadvantage of the U.S.[47]


32 posted on 12/01/2011 10:57:08 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Maceman

In answer to your question, yes I saw some of it and was sorry not to have caught it from the beginning. And, yes it was impressive :)


33 posted on 12/01/2011 11:00:19 AM PST by turbocat
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To: Notary Sojac

As Rush said yesterday [paraphrasing]: “Of course none of the Republicans running are perfect. I’m not running.”


34 posted on 12/01/2011 11:04:10 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: JohnKinAK

Repeatedly posting this list isn’t meant to encourage legitimate debate. It’s lazy.


35 posted on 12/01/2011 11:08:40 AM PST by Raebie (WS)
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To: Raebie

I open to a refutation of any of the facts presented.

So far all I’ve gotten for feedback is a few complaining about the list being posted and many more giving thanks for providing the list.


36 posted on 12/01/2011 11:13:45 AM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: MiddleEarth

[That’s a huge list. Where did you get it?]

Looks like a list Romney might carry around in his pocket


37 posted on 12/01/2011 11:19:11 AM PST by RetSignman (It's Fall...the "Goebbles Warmers" are packing their bags , migrating for their winter caves.)
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To: JohnKinAK

I have not chosen any candidate yet. But we must remember that Reagan was once a democrat. People change...


38 posted on 12/01/2011 11:28:02 AM PST by goseminoles
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To: Maceman

I would be very concerned about the potential for a Herman Cain-type bimbo eruption to be sprung on him after the convention.


39 posted on 12/01/2011 11:35:39 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: greenhornet68

A debate with him and Obama would have Zero curling up in the fetal position begging for his teleprompters.


Now that’s a line worth repeating! I am not that crazy about Newt but he would make quick work of Zero in a debate.


40 posted on 12/01/2011 11:37:41 AM PST by bytesmith
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To: Notary Sojac
If DeMint, Daniels, Barbour, Ryan, or Jindal were in the race, Newt would not be my first choice. But they aren't and he is.

It's a sad commentary that we're faced with the lackluster lineup we have, but that's the reality of the situation.

That said, we've reached a stage where millions of Americans have completely had it with Washington, and they're ready to either bolt the party, boycott the election, or rebel by writing in their choice for president.

People can rail against that sort of thinking all they want, but that too, is the reality of the situation. Something's got to give.

Newt can sing the tune, but he's proven that he'll change it in a heartbeat, and sing with the left at the drop of a hat. The man hasn't proven to me that he's got core convictions and the courage to stand with them, no matter what. That quirk of personality scares me in a leader. It's absolutely his worst trait, and completely wrong for the task at hand.

41 posted on 12/01/2011 11:44:51 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Maceman
Did anyone catch Newt on Hannity last nite?

Know, eye mist it.

42 posted on 12/01/2011 11:47:58 AM PST by Isabel C.
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To: Maceman

Newt is to Reagan as Elmer Gantry is to Billy Graham.


43 posted on 12/01/2011 11:59:19 AM PST by montag813
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To: MiddleEarth
That’s a huge list. Where did you get it?

It needs LINKS!

44 posted on 12/01/2011 12:01:55 PM PST by montag813
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To: Maceman

I watch the show and followed comments on Twitter. LOTS of people liked what Newt was saying.


45 posted on 12/01/2011 12:05:00 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: Maceman

We watched it. Hannity did Newt a big favor by allowing him to address some of the misnomers and also a few of his previous controversial decisions. I found him to be pretty straightforward and I thought he cleared the air. I’m satisfied with Newt’s explanations and I think he is very serious about his 21st Century Contract with America. Its a good plan.


46 posted on 12/01/2011 12:05:26 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Notary Sojac
Yours appears to be the Angle/O'Donnell/Cain/Palin mindset which is very, very strong on FR. It's the mindset which holds that naivete and artlessness are not only acceptable in a candidate, they are downright required.

What a condescending mischaracterization.

The mindset of those who've strongly supported Angle, O'Donnell, Cain, and Palin, is one that demands unswerving firmness in a candidate's allegiance to conservatism, and an unshakeable commitment to this nation's Founding Principles.

47 posted on 12/01/2011 12:08:07 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Wow... he did all that on Hannity last night?


48 posted on 12/01/2011 12:11:04 PM PST by folkquest (Nothing is fool-proof because fools are so ingenious!)
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To: Maceman

Newt...with good words and fair speeches deceives the minds of the simple.


49 posted on 12/01/2011 12:11:04 PM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: JohnKinAK

What is the source for your list? It’s all over the net. Do you know who created it? The Paulbots seems to love it.


50 posted on 12/01/2011 12:11:31 PM PST by Raebie (WS)
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