Skip to comments.Vanity: Did anyone catch Newt on Hannity last nite?
Posted on 12/01/2011 10:17:53 AM PST by Maceman
I don't have time to write about my reaction, but I would be interested in the perspective of my fellow Freepers.
Personally, I thought Newt was VERY impressive, and for a whole hour.
I still haven't decided whom to support (not that it matters, since the Massachusetts primary is not going be a game changer anyway).
I have been in Cain's camp, but I am reassessing in light of what I perceive as the Cain team's mis-management of the whole sex attack thing.
Also, rightly or wrongly, unless Cain manages to win a very sympathetic public vindication in a very short time I am seriously doubting his ability to continue in this race.
I'm sad about that. But I was greatly impressed by Newt last nite for a lot of reasons I don't have time to get into just now.
What did alla y'alls think?
Newt recommended Toffler’s book because it is a warning of what can go wrong.
The Tofflers are ‘futurists’.
Your post is dishonest - you are implying that Newt Gingrich is advocating the abominable. Shameful.
Hannity’s interview of Gingrich, 11/30/11
Exactly why I hate ‘lists’ like this. Overwhelm your opponents with BS they won’t/can’t take the time to respond to.
Like I said...lazy.
The Gingrich interview was full of ideas, not platitudes and evasions.
High points: he’d dismantle Obama’s govt, starting on day one, on hour one the “czars” would be gone. Our embassy in Israel would be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
He will humiliate and demolish Obama in the campaign. His slogan, Hannity asked? “Can you take four more years of this?”
Also, Gingrich knows his way around Congress blindfolded. That’s going to be helpful even if it’s a Republican Congress and Senate.
You actually respond to the question posted at the beginning of the thread instead of spamming it like all the other threads you've posted this same list to.
I didn't see his appearance and would love to see a conversation amongst those who did rather than some troll's attempt at thread hijacking. Because believe it or not, we're not stupid...we got it the first time you posted it.
Between you and Windflier's acting as a nattering naybob of negativity...sheesh 53 posts and still little commentary about what was ACTUALLY SAID.
Thanks for the hijack, boys...
Thank you for offering insight into the actual subject at hand.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see your forum rules posted.
It's an open forum, friend. People are going to comment on the subject matter of any thread in whatever way suits them.
Having re-read your comment that anyone whose beliefs “go back to Plato” is blackened with the irremovable taint of the dreaded “elitism”, I stand by my statement.
Gingrich defends Palin, drops a whole house of Palin approval on msnbc reporter.
“A Nation Like No Other: Why American Exceptionalism Matters” by Newt Gingrich is available at amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Nation-Like-No-Other-Exceptionalism/dp/B005DI8LIW
You speak well, but your analyzer seems to be malfunctioning. Let me simplify it for you.
What I said, is that you have poorly formed opinions/observations of those who strongly support politicians like Angle, O'Donnell, Cain, and Palin.
You've obviously not comprehended the basic reasons that patriotic conservatives are drawn to these people.
Some of the points you posted were also mentioned by Michelle Malkin on this morning’s Fox & Friends show.
Thanks for posting this:
Know them by their Fruit
Some of Newts Progressive Dossier:
04/02/1987 He cosponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine
10/22/1991 He voted for an amendment that would create a National Police Corps.
03//1993 He Voted for sending $1.6 Billion in foreign aid to Russia.
11/19/1993 He voted for the NAFTA Implementation Act.
11/27/1994 He supported the GATT Treaty subjecting US Sovereignty to the WTO
08/27/1995 He suggests that drug smuggling should carry a death sentence.
04/25/1996 Voted for the single largest increase on Federal education spending ($3.5 Billion)
04/10/1995 He supported Federal tax dollars being spent on abortions.
06/01/1996 He helped a Democrat switch parties in an attempt to defeat Ron Paul in the 1996 election.
09/25/1996 Introduced H.R. 4170, demanded life-sentence or execution for someone bringing 2 ounces of marijuana across the border.
01/22/1997 Congress gave him a record-setting $300,000 fine for ethical wrongdoing.
11/29/2006 He said that free speech should be curtailed in order to fight terrorism. Wants to stop terrorists from using the internet. Called for a serious debate about the 1st Amendment.
11/29/2006 He called for a Geneva Convention for terrorists so it would be clear who the Constitution need not apply to.
02/15/2007 He supported Bushs proposal for mandatory carbon caps.
09/28/2008 Says if he were in office, he would have reluctantly voted for the $700B TARP bailout.
10/01/2008 Says in an article that TARP was a workout, not a bailout.
12/08/2008 He was paid $300,000 by Freddie Mac to halt Congress from bringing necessary reform.
03/31/2009 Says we should have Singapore-style drug tests for Americans.
07/30/2010 Says that Iraq was just step one in defeating the Axis of Evil.
08/03/2010 Advocates attacks on Iran & North Korea.
08/16/2010 Opposes property rights of the mosque owner in NYC.
11/15/2010 He defended Romneycare
12/05/2010 He said that a website owner should be considered an enemy combatant, hunted down and executed, for publishing leaked government memos.
01/30/2011 He lobbied for ethanol subsidies.
01/30/2011 He suggested that flex-fuel vehicles be mandated for Americans.
02/13/2011 He criticized Obama for sending less U.S. taxdollars to Egypt.
02/15/2011 His book said that he believes man-made climate-change and advocated creating a new endowment for conservation and the environment.
03/09/2011 He blames his infidelity to multiple wives on his passion for the country.
03/15/2011 Says that NAFTA worked because it created jobs in Mexico.
03/19/2011 He has no regrets about supporting Medicare drug coverage. (Now $7.2T unfunded liability)
03/23/2011 He completely flip-flopped on Libyan intervention in 16 days.
03/25/2011 He plans to sign as many as 200 executive orders on his first day as president.
04/25/2011 Hes a paid lobbyist for Federal ethanol subsidies.
05/12/2011 He was more supportive of individual health-care mandates than Mitt Romney.
08/01/2011 He hired a company to create fake Twitter to appear as if he had a following.
10/07/2011 He said hed ignore the Supreme Court if need be.
11/16/2011 Was revealed he actually received 1.6 million from Freddie Mac, vs. his previously stated $300,000-
2009-2010 Travels around the country with Al Sharpton and Arne Duncan to promote President Obamas new educational policies: i.e. increased local control of schools with increased Federal subsidies and regulations from Washington.
2010 Supported ultra-liberal, pro-abortion, pro-union, establishment candidate Dede Scozzafava in New Yorks 23rd Congressional District in a special election, over conservative candidate Doug Hoffman.
1995 Gingrich Wrote the foreword to Alvin Tofflers book, The Politics of the Third Wave, Creating a New Civilization and advocated all members of Congress should read the book. The book calls for a New Democracy for the 21st century which is essentially based on following Platos Third Wave virtues:
1. Private property must be abolished, the wealthy hated and their wealth redistributed by state mandate.
2. Children belong to, and are born to serve the state. The influence of parents is noxious and disruptive to the interest of the state, thus every child should be raised in government nurseries, without knowledge of who his or her parents are and without the parents having knowledge of who their offspring are. Every child becomes the common property of every parent in the city. Every parent has the collective duty to watch over them.
3. Private education, like traditional parenting, is at the very headwaters of falsehood and social strife. It must be eliminated and replaced with a closely monitored state school system.
4. Old values passed down in history, song, childrens books, all need to be rewritten to discredit and erase the old virtues and to exalt and enthrone the new.
5. Frivolous childrens games eliminated, new games developed that emphasize law and order.
6. Private industry is self serving. State should have absolute control of all industry for benefit of the whole.
7. Class mobility is a revolutionary idea that threatens the stability of the state and the pre-eminence of true philosophy. A strict caste system and the elimination of career choice is the answer.
8. Talent must never be allowed to wander or be wasted. Early on, children must be identified and channeled by the state for the benefit of the state into careers selected by the state.
9. Under the guise of equality, women ought to be exploited: first to foment class war during the Third Wave (womens roles are reversed to mens); next, to be promptly put into their place as part of a community of women to be shared collectively by male guardians.
10. Selective breeding is beneficial to the state.
11. Unwanted babies, inferior babies, deformed babies, and the adult handicapped are an unnecessary drag on the prosperity and well-being of society. They should be left to die. Unproductive adults, likewise, should be terminated.
12. Homosexuality is morally acceptable and homosexual rape of lower-class males and boys is a right of rulers, guardians and war heroes.
13. Only a few men are foreordained to understand life and higher good the rest are equivalent of dumb sheep.
14. Absolute loyalty to the government is vital for the success and safety of society. A state sanctioned National Police network is an essential good.
15. Wealth is not essential to the safety of the state.
- Gingrich voted to permit the Federal Reserve to purchase Treasury Debt
- Bailed out savings and loan institutions in 1991. $40B Bank bailout
- Gingrich voted to strengthen the federal home loan agencies
- Gingrich voted for increased powers to the FDIC to bail out struggling savings and loans through reorganization, purchase of bad assets, or recapitalization.
- Gingrich voted in favor of the Chrysler Bailout in 1979
- Gingrich voted for an oil windfall profits tax in 1979, which was signed by Jimmy Carter.
- Urged the House to repeal the War Powers Act and give the Presidency more power.
- Urged Clinton to expand military presence in Bosnia.
- Gingrich voted against a provision requiring congressional approval prior to deployment of U.S. troops into Central America in 1983.
- Gingrich voted to increase CIA secrecy and against any requirement that the President report covert activity to congress before it is initiated.
- Gingrich voted for Jimmy Carters Energy Mobilization Board.
- Gingrich voted for an increase in taxes on coal producers in 1981
- Gingrich voted for a 5-cent increase in the gas tax to fund highway and other mass-transit projects.
- Gingrich was one of the few who voted against the 1984 bill requiring the President and Congress to submit a balanced budget
- Gingrich voted for a congressional pay raise
- Gingrich voted against a bipartisan 1% cut to the Department of Defense budget for 1983
I’m backing Newt at this point, I don’t care what these know them by thier fruit nutcases say, I liked Cain, but he’s done. The only other dark horse (who should really be the front runner) is Michelle Bachmann, I like her too, she is the only true conservative candidate in the race, the only true Tea Partier too, but look at her numbers, it shows the Tea Party movement is over.
What a drama queen! I just won’t vote for him. LOL
I think you would be astonished to see Reagan’s list, & yet he was one of the great president’s of all time. I think what many here are trying to say, myself included, is that we don’t care about the fumbles in the past as much as what will be done in the future.
Does Newt have a history of saying one thing, & then doing another? NO! He followed through w/ every single item in the Contract w/ America, he balanced the budget, reformed healthcare, etc.
Has he had some goofy, maybe even liberal ideas in the past? Sure. Has he changed his mind on some of those goofy ideas? Yes. As someone who has lived a long life, I can say many of my positions have changed over the years as well, especially as I’ve allowed religion & experience to become more a part of my life as Newt recently has.
So, if you’ve even read Newt’s 21st Century Contract w/ America, is there anything in there you disagree with, that you feel in not conservative? Newt has a history of following through w/ what he says he’s going to do. Sometimes that has been a bad thing, most of the time it’s been a good thing. Point is, if he follows through w/ what he’s said he’s going to do NOW, then we’re in much better shape than what we might be w/ some of the other candidates.
What other candidate has the history of creaming the Dems as he did in the early 90’s? Sure it didn’t last, but that’s largely due his own caucus getting limp in the wrist & Newt’s self admitted lack of experience in handling those issues. Newt now has that experience & has learned. Who else has that experience & has learned those lessons? We’re in a crisis now & can’t afford more on the job training.
We’re in a war w/ the left. Who else has a better record of beating the left? For that matter, who has ANY record of beating the left?
Is Newt a sure bet? Not even! Does he give us the best odds overall in turning this nation around? I think so.
Newt is smart and talks a good game and he always has.
His rhetoric is conservative, his governing is moderate.
He is the typical establishment RINO, and there is a long history to prove that. I believe we elect Gingrich, we will be well on our way to a one world government - unless we also elect a very conservative Congress to combat him.
I was wooed by him too, until I did my homework. I found out why he is SO disliked in Georgia.
Cain he has an army of believers praying for him and supporting him (even some fasting and praying). I believe he still has a shot. A lot can happen between now and January.
I will never, ever vote for Gingrich or Romney.
Beating Obama means nothing if you put in someone who is going to continue the same direction.
>> “Does Newt have a history of saying one thing, & then doing another? NO! He followed through w/ every single item in the Contract w/ America, he balanced the budget, reformed healthcare, etc.” <<
First the “Contract with America” was no conservative accomplishment.
It was standard RINO establishment window dressing.
There was no balanced Budget - There was an illusion of balancing the budget, by keeping the debt service, which was close to equaling the entire rest of federal expenditures, out of the budget!
The entire debt service was paid with new debt.
>> “Does Newt have a history of saying one thing, & then doing another?” <<
Yes, definitely, every time his lips are moving.
>> “Has he had some goofy, maybe even liberal ideas in the past?” <<
Yes, every one of them.
>> “Has he changed his mind on some of those goofy ideas?” <<
Not a one. If he is elected we will become Europe - West.
There will be no chance of recovery if Noot becomes the nominee.
>> “Newt recommended Tofflers book because it is a warning of what can go wrong.” <<
It is a roadmap of how to commit national suicide.
Futurists are anti-conservative lunatics.
>> “Beating Obama means nothing if you put in someone who is going to continue the same direction.” <<
Recommended reading is not advocating.
Weren’t you advised to read Marx or Hitler as a warning?
Have you read it?
Do you agree with its premises?
Noot wrote the foreward to the book, and absolutely agrees with all they advocate.
No offense, but I stopped reading at “First the Contract with America was no conservative accomplishment.”
He said that the framers of The Constitution were mindful of the fact that people are not perfect.
There will never be a perfect candidate or a perfect President.
Newt admits he has made mistakes but who has not?
Loved the idea of him following Zero around rebutting his comments and claims within hours.
>> “I have been in Cain’s camp, but I am reassessing in light of what I perceive as the Cain team’s mis-management of the whole sex attack thing.” <<
Just how would you have handled such a false and criminal attack, with a complicit propaganda ministry carrying the ball for the libelists?
Newt was very impressive.
Would love to see him debate the kenyan.
Hannitys interview of Gingrich, 11/30/11
Thanks. That was great!
Because you have no idea what conservative means.
Clue: Opposite of Noot.
To quote Newt Gingrich, US Speaker of the House of Representatives, “Alvin and Heidi Toffler have given us the key to viewing current disarray within the positive framework of a dynamic, exciting future... The Tofflers correctly understand the development and distribution of information that has become the central productivity and power activity of the human race.... In the Third Wave, the Tofflers moved from observation (found in earlier works such as Future Shock) to creating a predictive framework They placed the information revolution (from circa 1990) in an historical perspective, comparing it with the other two great transformations, the agricultural revolution (beginning 8000 B.C thru around 1700) the industrial revolution (beginning around 1700 and still spreading across world society in an ever slower movement) . According to the Tofflers, we are feeling the impact of the third great wave of change in history, and we are, as a result, in the process of creating a new civilization.” (Preface to Toffler’s Creating a New Civilization)
Yes, I can see what you mean. He is promoting mass killings right there in that foreword. Sorry I was wrong.
Read the damn book and get the cobwebs out of your head.
Noot and the Tofflers are humanists.
They absolutely believe in the perfectibility of Man, not the total depravity of man as stated in God’s word.
New Age, get it?
Don’t use that tone with me.
Newt’s a Catholic.
I will not be voting for Newt in our primary.
Your tone seems to be more associated w/ the Liberal way of doing things than Conservative ones. They tend to scream a lot & call people names & such. That might explain a lot.
My tone is associated with disgust at those that push global socialist new agers off as patriotic conservatives.
You and Noot are left of liberal.
You openly post lies and fluff to promote the most insidious man to ever run as a Republican.
We’ve had enough of your hope and change. We need to roll back to sanity.
Catholic is meaningless.
Catholic new agers are common. Christians are what is rare among RCs
Perhaps you’re one of the New Agers? - It’s the diametric opposite of conservative.
Well, for one thing, I wouldn't have had my campaign manager out there speculating that Rick Perry's team was behind it without evidence, so I'd have to walk it back.
And I wouldn't have gone out and made a half-assed public response off the cuff within hours, so that I would appear to be embellishing or revising the story as I went along that evening. I would have waited a day at least until I had my team on the same page and my response well thought out.
And however little information I got from Politico ten days before publication, once I heard from them I would have done some scenario planning, thought long and hard about anything -- ANYTHING -- in my past that could be twisted into a sexual harassment claim, and would have begun to develop at least a rudimentary strategy for handling some type of impending crisis.
Cain's team was caught flat-footed with ten days notice that something related to his past encounters with women -- however misconstrued -- was going to be dropped.
During that time, his team could have at least began reaching out to people who could have vouched for Cain's character, and prepped them to be available.
That said, I believe Cain is innocent of these accusations. But I had expected that one of his core strengths would have been to assemble a team that could handle the kind of crises that politics produces. Certainly, he should have had some kind of rapid response function in place months before this whole thing erupted.
More recently, even his use of the word "reassess," and then subsequent retraction that he was in this race to stay, followed by his appearance on Cavuto where he really did appear to be unsure of whether or not he would end his campaign, has led me further to contemplate that he really has not put together a competent team. And that is a major disappointment.
OMG! U R 2 funny!
Like I thought, you’re an anti-Cain troll.
Amember of Perry’s campaign was totally behind it: Wilson.
His public response was honest and accurate, and appropriate.
There never was a sexual harrasment claim. Scenario planning is something a guilty party like Noot would have had to do.
There is no way that Cain could have handled it any more than Clarence Thomas could have. The mediots just lied, and morphed it whatever way they pleased as usual.
You couldn't be more wrong. I have been on the Cain train for a long time. In fact, back in May I actually contacted Cain's operatives in NH and Iowa to see whether I could offer my skills to the Cain campaign. (Unfortunately, the two that I spoke with left the campaign some time later.)
I just have not been impressed at the way Cain and his team have handled this. Maybe you disagree, which is your right. But you have no reason to call names, least of all a troll. You owe me an apology, which I won't hold my breath waiting for.
Instead of holding your breath, do some thinking.
Cain’s accusers are so unbelievable to begin with, how can you lay blame on Cain?
Did you blame Clarence Thomas too?
This is about defending the Plantation, and they will do it to the death. We have to nominate Cain and let them self destruct in their madness, and they will.
When the sayer is Newt, what he says is irrelevant. He is a skilled and glib liar that will gladly tell you what you want to hear.
You’re better off for not hearing it.
So who’s your candidate?
Some of these newer sign ups trying to sow discontent are probably DUmmies. I know freepers troll the DU idiots at times(I admit Im a flamer over there its hilarious to tear down their liberal messiah), and Im sure the libtard imbeciles are here to try and say that all the GOP are unelectable so the default choice is Obama. Sorry doesnt work on me and hope it doesn’t work on most. Watch people post history folks, then you will know them by their fruits...Anyone at this point is better than Obama, anyone.
It wasn’t just a photo-op it was what he was saying about Climate Change. Everyone knows it is a SCAM.