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Nuke Update: “China Will Not Hesitate To Protect Iran With A Third World War”
SHTF Plan ^ | 12/01/2011 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 12/01/2011 10:25:04 AM PST by JohnKinAK

UPDATE: December 1, 2011; 10:00AM

Amid the tensions in Iran and the destruction of a second nuclear facility (which is detailed in the original story below), we find it necessary to present our readers with an update made available via The Daily Crux and Zero Hedge, in which Major General Zhang Zhaozhong, a professor from the Chinese National Defense University, said China “will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third World War.”

Trillions of dollars in debt and regional energy resources are at play here. Perhaps this is the reason Iran is publicly downplaying the threat and the U.S. is overtly ignoring the latest bombing/explosion at a second Iranian nuclear facility. Not a single news report of the incident is present on the homepages of major media outlets like CNN, NBC, ABC or Fox. For their part, Iran completely denies the explosion took place and national media agencies have reportedly pulled all references to the story, even though satellite images (detailed below) confirm it happened.

Don’t miss this Chinese news report. Like the U.S., China has its own propaganda machine and this is what their populace is being fed:

(In Chinese with English subtitles):

ORIGINAL REPORT: Covert Op Suspected as Second Iranian Nuke Site Goes Up In Flames

Either Iran’s nuclear and military programs are headed by imbeciles or their country is under attack.

Though Iran completely denied the incident yesterday, The Australian reports that satellite images confirm another Iranian military site has exploded:

Satellite imagery seen by The Times confirmed that a blast that rocked the city of Isfahan on Monday struck the uranium enrichment facility there, despite denials by Tehran.

The images clearly showed billowing smoke and destruction, negating Iranian claims yesterday that no such explosion had taken place. Israeli intelligence officials told The Times that there was “no doubt” that the blast struck the nuclear facilities at Isfahan and that it was “no accident”.

The explosion at Iran’s third-largest city came as satellite images emerged of the damage caused by one at a military base outside Tehran two weeks ago that killed about 30 members of the Revolutionary Guard, including General Hassan Moghaddam, the head of the Iranian missile defence program.

Iran claimed that the Tehran explosion occurred during testing on a new weapons system designed to strike at Israel. But several Israeli officials have confirmed that the blast was intentional and part of an effort to target Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

On Monday, Isfahan residents reported a blast that shook tower blocks in the city at about 2.40pm and seeing a cloud of smoke rising over the nuclear facility on the edge of the city.

“This caused damage to the facilities in Isfahan, particularly to the elements we believe were involved in storage of raw materials,” said one military intelligence source.

He would not confirm or deny Israel’s involvement in the blast, instead saying that there were “many different parties looking to sabotage, stop or coerce Iran into stopping its nuclear weapons program”.

Iran went into frantic denial yesterday as news of the explosion at Isfahan emerged. Alireza Zaker-Isfahani, the city’s governor, claimed that the blast had been caused by a military exercise in the area but state-owned agencies in Tehran soon removed this story and issued a government denial that any explosion had taken place at all.

A government cover up? Say it ain’t so.

There’s a war on. This was no accident.

The real question is, how, if at all, will Iran respond? Are they biding their time because they are finalizing a nuclear weapon that they intend to deploy against Israel or Western targets, or has all the machisimo displayed by Iranian President Ahmadinejad in recent years been nothing but talk?

We may soon find out.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; chinesemilitary; iran; iraniannukes; israel; russia; wwiii
Interesting video for interesting times.
1 posted on 12/01/2011 10:25:09 AM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

Yet the Chinesse have to deal with their own Muslims.


2 posted on 12/01/2011 10:27:28 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: JohnKinAK
The Butchers of Beijing can't prove a thing.

Mossad knows how to cover their tracks.

3 posted on 12/01/2011 10:28:10 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Holding our flawed politicians to higher standards than the enemyÂ’s politicians guarantees they win)
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To: JohnKinAK

We will need the Chinese soldiers for the blood to reach bridle deep on the plains of Megiddo.


4 posted on 12/01/2011 10:28:48 AM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: JohnKinAK

I’ve had the same answer to this type of bloviating for the last 40 years.

(at which time I was in the last 2 months of Nuke Weapons school)

To China:
“If you think we’re going to stand by and allow Iran to blackmail the world with the threat of nuclear weapons and your backing, you have miscalculated our will and our capability.”


5 posted on 12/01/2011 10:34:27 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: JohnKinAK

Does this mean the Chinese are more suicidal than Muzzies?


6 posted on 12/01/2011 10:34:59 AM PST by Surrounded_too
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To: Surrounded_too

Not really more suicidal. It’s just that they can afford to lose 300 million people.

Still leaves 70% of the population, after all.


7 posted on 12/01/2011 10:38:50 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Surrounded_too

no, it means the chinese think america is never going to call their bluff. They might be right.


8 posted on 12/01/2011 10:42:16 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

One of China’s generals publicly stated that 300 million was an “acceptable loss”.


9 posted on 12/01/2011 10:49:38 AM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: Biggirl

“Yet the Chinese have to deal with their own Muslims.”

The combined Chinese police forces have only slightly less funding than their entire military; which buys subs, planes and navy ships. So, you can only imagine how many millions of police they pay. They are probably confident that they can contain the Muslim population as they are willing to kill hundreds, thousands, or potentially millions. They do fear insurrection, but not nearly as much as they want to project power and strength. Right now, they need Iran’s oil more than they fear either us (currently a paper tiger) or their own Muslim population.

I believe the Chinese government is the same style brutal killers they were for much of the 20th century. Except now they wear pinstripe suits and speak excellent English. They also own our debt and their military is growing by leaps and bounds. Their military has already probably reached the point where any fight could be quickly carried to US shores as easily as we can reach them. They will also fight asymmetrically with mines that will cost us much if we try the traditional show of strength that has caused them to back down.

Before somebody makes an allusion to turning them into a glass parking lot, think through that two-way street.


10 posted on 12/01/2011 10:54:16 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: BipolarBob

I think you are on to something there.

I was just reading Revelations 6 and I can imagine a synario where someone in Israel is represented as being on the White horse, followed by either China or Islam reacting on the Red horse, which is followed by the World economy collapsing with the arrival of the Black horse, which of course, brings about Death from sword and hunger on the Grey horse.

I believe that the beginning of the end is closer then many people realize.


11 posted on 12/01/2011 10:54:52 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: Surrounded_too
Does this mean the Chinese are more suicidal than Muzzies?

“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak. ”
― Sun Tzu


When the Chinese are full of bluster and belligerence you are OK. It is when they get quiet and pretend to be your best friend that you have to worry about what it is they are plotting.
12 posted on 12/01/2011 10:55:06 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Gee, if we have WWIII with China and the middle east does this mean we can stop Free Trade, or does Free Trade “uber alles” take precedence? /sarcasm


13 posted on 12/01/2011 10:59:52 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Fred Hayek

You’re quite right.

I forgot his name, but he was the General in charge of the nuclear weapons systems.

And yes, in Chinese military thinking, 300 million is “acceptable losses”.

Somehow, I don’t think the USA would find 300 million dead Americans to be so equally “acceptable”.

In the game of war, last man standing wins.


14 posted on 12/01/2011 11:01:56 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: JohnKinAK
Interesting video for interesting times.

I would prefer to see boring videos in boring times, lol.

15 posted on 12/01/2011 11:05:02 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Gen.Blather
They also own our debt and their military is growing by leaps and bounds.

This is actually why I don't put too much stock in this story. Not because the leaders of China are nice guys, in contrast because they are both smart and brutal. If they wanted the US to back off they wouldn't do it by having some third rate professor tweet about it in a fourth rate newspaper. President Hu would pick up the phone, call Obama and tell him to Back the F___ off. And like a good little toad Obama would do it.

If Obama somehow grew a pair didn't bow instantly to his Asian overlords they would call his master, George Soros, and point out that they could have him dead in a matter of days if his puppet Obama doesn't do exactly as he is told. We play by rules so against the West Soros is safe. Jerk the Chinese around and you just end up dead.
16 posted on 12/01/2011 11:05:30 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: BipolarBob
We will need the Chinese soldiers for the blood to reach bridle deep on the plains of Megiddo.

Revelation 16:12
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

17 posted on 12/01/2011 11:07:07 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Hayek

Incidentally, there’s a report floating around there in the ether that states it’s now believed that the PRC may have as many as 3000 nuclear weapons.

If that were the case, that gives them more than adequate first and second strike capability.

Here’s a link to the story regarding the alleged 3000 nukes....it’s from India (naturally, they’re sorta freaking out about it). http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/china-nuclear-warheads/1/162319.html


18 posted on 12/01/2011 11:08:58 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: JohnKinAK
Just in passing ... does anyone have any more info on the mystery radiation detected over Serbia (I think it was Serbia could be Romania)
19 posted on 12/01/2011 11:10:52 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: GonzoGOP

President Hu would pick up the phone, call Obama and tell him to Back the F___ off.
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Maybe President Hu did. HU knows? (couldn’t resist. sorry)

I’d say if nothing happens in the next 3 to 6 months, like an Israeli airstrike (overt military action) versus things mysteriously exploding in Iran (covert military action), then President Hu most likely called PM Netanyahu and told him to back the f____ off.

The Israelis (or anyone else) aren’t going to risk a nuke war with China.

But I think for the Chinese, covert military action is acceptable. You know, deniability and all that. Of course, if China were to sign an explicit and open defense treaty with Iran, well that changes the equation. That would put Iran under China’s nuclear umbrella (and also make Iran China’s b!+ch).


20 posted on 12/01/2011 11:16:47 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Robe

Actually, the radiation was detected over the Czech Republic (where I am).

Came from Hungary, apparently. The Hungarians deny it, of course, but the IAEA traced it back to a Hungarian source....a reactor at some university, I believe.


21 posted on 12/01/2011 11:18:50 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: GonzoGOP

BINGO!


22 posted on 12/01/2011 11:29:54 AM PST by X-spurt
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To: JohnKinAK

gonna be a little tough to get the container ships to WalMart with WW III going on...


23 posted on 12/01/2011 11:32:28 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
But I think for the Chinese, covert military action is acceptable. You know, deniability and all that.

I think you have hit it there. As long as the bombs are delivered by covert Mossad/Hamas rather than missiles China is OK. As long as oil keep flowing out of the Persian gulf and into Chinese ports China doesn't care how many Iranian missile bases get flattened. But the spice must flow.
24 posted on 12/01/2011 11:34:27 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

The only way the chinks could wipe out 300 Mill Americans is by tricking us into eating their poison dog treats. They may have nukes, but they sure don’t have thsat much delivery other than MARCHING over here carrying 1000 nukes on their back.

But of cource with our dear leader nobama, he might give them free cruise ship passage.


25 posted on 12/01/2011 11:35:39 AM PST by X-spurt
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To: Buckeye McFrog

BINGO 2


26 posted on 12/01/2011 11:37:35 AM PST by X-spurt
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To: JohnKinAK

WWIII began 9/11/01. We have been in an intermediate period since then. The obvious shooting war cannot be too far out from here.


27 posted on 12/01/2011 11:42:25 AM PST by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated populace is the biggest threat to our nation.)
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To: BipolarBob
"We will need the Chinese soldiers for the blood to reach bridle deep on the plains of Megiddo."

Amen brother, but the toughest of times between now and then.

28 posted on 12/01/2011 11:46:14 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: X-spurt

True enough....the Chinese are woefully lacking in ICBM capability.

But of course, all it takes is one SRBM or MRBM launched from some coast with a megatonnage yield weapon detonated 400 kilometers up over Oklahoma (IIRC) would pretty much be all she wrote for the US electric power grid.....as someone put, it would instantly blow us back to the mid 19th Century.

Mind you, the NorKs could pull that off as well. Well, if they had viable nukes, that is.

But for the above, I’d say China is pretty well equipped. But like you said, maybe Obama will give them free cruise ship passage to carry out their mission.


29 posted on 12/01/2011 11:55:00 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: X-spurt
China has between 20-30 ICBMs. The 20 DF-5 missiles, can have as many as six warheads. They can hit anyplace in the US, but are an older design and take over an hour to prep for launch. Considering that our LGM-30s will be impacting 30 minutes after the first launch detect this limits their usefulness in anything other than a first strike.
The DF-31 missiles have shorter range and only carry a single warhead. But they are a modern solid fuel, quick launch design. They have shown up in parades, but nobody knows if they have actually been deployed operationally or if it was just a test vehicle for the more advanced DF-41.

They also have 24 JL-2 SLBMs. However the subs they are deployed on haven't left port in some time and are not believed to be serviceable. They were described by US submariners as being sufficiently noisy that having a marching band in the missile compartment wouldn't have made much of a difference. Again other than first strike they would be of limited use as they would not live long once the shooting began.
30 posted on 12/01/2011 11:57:10 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

The spice must always flow.

The Chinese are more worried about an overt war breaking out. Covert war, not so much. With the covert war, when the Iranians come whining to them, the Chinese can say, “Well, maybe you shouldn’t be such a bunch of butterfingers over there. Nuclear materials are dangerous, after all.”

It affords them the opportunity of looking the other way.

Of course, I also wonder if all the talk out of Israel lately is designed to simply keep the Iranians expecting an overt assault that never comes. It forces them to divert (mostly intelligence) resources to detecting the first sign of an airborne assault. While the Iranians are out there keeping an eye on their Western horizon, the Israelis (or Iranian agents in the Israelis employ) are blowing things up while Iranian intel is distracted.

It’s a good diversionary strategy, and because Israel lacks geographical depth, it’s evolved and adapted to take on it’s foes asymmetrically.


31 posted on 12/01/2011 12:03:50 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: JohnKinAK; Biggirl; E. Pluribus Unum; BipolarBob; G Larry; Surrounded_too; AnAmericanAbroad; ...
Sending "Rods from God" out of orbit perhaps?


32 posted on 12/01/2011 12:05:31 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Thanks for the radiation update.

Can you get around the Czech Republic knowing just english or german?


33 posted on 12/01/2011 12:08:32 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: sam_paine

You’re giving Obama too much credit. Brits maybe ? Isrealis have a space program too.


34 posted on 12/01/2011 12:11:17 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: sam_paine
Sending "Rods from God" out of orbit perhaps?

Oh I'm sure we would never do something like that. /sarc. After all the moment someone gets smacked by a big tungsten pole going mach 25 they would know it had Made in USA written all over it. On the other hand if you constructed it out of nickle iron it would lose some punch, but it would be hard to tell the RFG from a meteor strike. Brings a whole new level of deniability.
35 posted on 12/01/2011 12:11:31 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: sam_paine
Heck if you are not in a hurry 99942 Apophis will be back in 2013. Just a little nudge and we could put that 27 million metric ton dino smasher right into the Middle East at 30 km/s. It is one of those thoughts that Just makes you feel warm and happy all over :)
36 posted on 12/01/2011 12:20:11 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: BipolarBob
We will need the Chinese soldiers for the blood to reach bridle deep on the plains of Megiddo.

Yep. They're the only ones that can provide the 200 million man army.
37 posted on 12/01/2011 12:45:29 PM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: SENTINEL
You’re giving Obama too much credit. Brits maybe ? Isrealis have a space program too.

Obama's got nothing to do with it. It's up there doing something!

http://www.heavens-above.com/PassSummary.aspx?satid=37375

38 posted on 12/01/2011 12:51:54 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

That looks like a heck of a rocket launch cruise missle or one hellofa ride 2 man shuttle.


39 posted on 12/01/2011 2:04:50 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

I get the feeling that if obama sat on his hands, there is a contingency in-place for DOD C&C to launch.

Not sure how they would get so far in as over Oklahoma, but again I fall back on first paragraph scenario.

They might smoke Taiwan, but the Chinese have 5000 years of capitalism and only 60 years of communism, am thinking sales win over protecting the squirrels in Iran or starting WW3 for any reason short of a really massive strike incoming.


40 posted on 12/01/2011 2:13:28 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: sam_paine; doug from upland
It all goes back to bill and hillary clinton and the democrats treason:

Clinton National Security Scandal and Coverup
Senator James Inhofe (R/Okla)
Senate Floor China speech/June 23, 1999
http://www.againsthillary.com/clinton_national_security_coverup.html

"High Treason"
http://alamo-girl.com/treason.htm

"Behind the Treason Allegations"
http://alamo-girl.com/0191.htm

41 posted on 12/01/2011 2:22:09 PM PST by Mr Apple ( Go Newt!)
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To: central_va
Gee, if we have WWIII with China and the middle east does this mean we can stop Free Trade, or does Free Trade “uber alles” take precedence? /sarcasm

If we win does that wipe out our Chinese debt? If we win do we have to finance another "Marshal Plan" to rebuild our former trading partner/enemy's infrastructure? So many questions, so little time...

Regards,
GtG

42 posted on 12/01/2011 2:41:24 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Biggirl

China could eliminate ever Hui, Uyghur, and Dzunghar and the world wouldn’t notice. (I would, I support the Blue Turks of communist occupied East Turkestan, but the UN?)


43 posted on 12/01/2011 7:32:46 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Robe
Hungary likely source of elevated radioactivity levels: IAEA
44 posted on 12/01/2011 8:00:17 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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