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For Herman Cain, the campaign all but over
Associated Press ^ | Dec 1,2011 | SHANNON McCAFFREY

Posted on 12/01/2011 4:44:06 PM PST by mdittmar

ATLANTA (AP) -- Herman Cain is still campaigning for president. But by most measures, his White House bid is all but over.

His standing in polls is cratering. Supporters are wavering if not fleeing. Fundraising is suffering.

And, these days, the former pizza company executive is less a serious candidate than the butt of late-night comedy jokes after a string of accusations of sexually inappropriate behavior and, now, an allegation of a 13-yearlong extramarital affair.

"His chance at winning the presidency are effectively zero," said Dave Welch, a Republican strategist who worked on both of John McCain's presidential bids.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; campaign; establishment; hermancain; liberalmedia; mudslinging; smear; soviettactics; wishfulthinking
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1 posted on 12/01/2011 4:44:08 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

Do we look like we are lemmings?


2 posted on 12/01/2011 4:46:22 PM PST by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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To: mdittmar

How’d McCain work out for you, Mr. Welch?


3 posted on 12/01/2011 4:46:59 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: mdittmar

Bill Clinton had sex with about 10000 women had named Hilary and he raped at least 2 of them and he got to be President for 8 years.

Oh but a Black Republican all it takes is a whisper. Frigging media.


4 posted on 12/01/2011 4:47:49 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: mdittmar

Sounds like an echo of a few weeks ago.


5 posted on 12/01/2011 4:48:13 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Impy

So true.


6 posted on 12/01/2011 4:49:08 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Mechanicos
Do you think it is not collapsing? what is your factual rationale for saying it is not over ?
7 posted on 12/01/2011 4:49:20 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: mdittmar

“But one source close to the candidate said Cain’s family has thus far urged him to keep running.

“They’re all pissed—not at him,” the source said.

As for Cain himself, the source added: “At this point, he thinks he can go on.”

From WaPost


8 posted on 12/01/2011 4:49:44 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: mdittmar

‘”His chance at winning the presidency are effectively zero,” said Dave Welch, a Republican strategist who worked on both of John McCain’s presidential bids.’

Well, I guess he would know the signs.


9 posted on 12/01/2011 4:50:15 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Mechanicos

You may have a point, but there is on truism in politics. When a politician starts talking about his family in decision making, they are generally hinting that they are stepping down. Take it for what it is worth.


10 posted on 12/01/2011 4:51:40 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: mdittmar
Yes and currently works for newt, real honest reporting there. Just pointed out by mark lavin.
11 posted on 12/01/2011 4:52:30 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: mdittmar

It’s all overfor Cain. Again. LOL. As long as he stays in he can win.


12 posted on 12/01/2011 4:53:22 PM PST by toddausauras
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To: toddausauras

As long as he stays in he can win.


13 posted on 12/01/2011 4:54:36 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

Too bad the MSM doesn't put as much passion in to finding PROOF the accusations are true... as they do in claiming Herman's campaign is over.


14 posted on 12/01/2011 4:55:49 PM PST by Grumpybutt (When it gets too much, turn it all off and turn to God - for only HE has the real plan.)
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To: Mechanicos

It was distressing to hear how the conservative talking heads turned on him this week. Newtie is their boy.


15 posted on 12/01/2011 4:56:06 PM PST by pfflier
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To: mdittmar

What if Cain admitted that he has an eye for the ladies? What if instead of defending himself, he came out and exposed the MSM double standard? Not one interview or negative word r comment from the AP about Edwards impregnating a floozy while campaigning for President all while his wife was dying of cancer????

What if Cain came clean, no details, about his having caused lots of pain to his saintly wife, but insisting won’t hurt his ability to be a good conservative president?


16 posted on 12/01/2011 4:56:15 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Psalm 144
Dave currently working for newt, real honest opinion there. Not like it was dishonest and self serving are anything. Hay dave boy, you are a dirt bag.
17 posted on 12/01/2011 4:56:40 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: pfflier
Dave is working for newtie.
18 posted on 12/01/2011 4:59:17 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: mdittmar

Sadly, it time to face reality. It’s over. With his poll numbers hitting the cellar, it time for Cain supporters including this individual to now look at Santorum or Bachmann. We must derail Gingrich and Romney if we are capture the WH with a true conservative and roll back the socialist/marxist state.


19 posted on 12/01/2011 4:59:49 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: mdittmar

AP should be required to register as a Democrat lobbying group.


20 posted on 12/01/2011 5:00:50 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Holding our flawed politicians to higher standards than the enemy’s politicians guarantees they win)
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To: mdittmar

http://www.nbra.info/


21 posted on 12/01/2011 5:01:41 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Perdogg

Why you so worried? I’ve been watching the main stream for years. I don’t know which is worse, the cover ups or the attacks? Anyway, I’m not ready to believe known liars. I give Herman more than the benefit of doubt.


22 posted on 12/01/2011 5:01:52 PM PST by TBall
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To: Steelfish

We shall see.


23 posted on 12/01/2011 5:02:33 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: Steelfish

Huh????


24 posted on 12/01/2011 5:04:27 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: TBall

Worried about what? I see the numbers and they are not good for Cain. I guess I am going to accused of being a member of the establishment.


25 posted on 12/01/2011 5:05:16 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: Mortrey

I’m not black,I’m a Conservative,thanks for the link though.


26 posted on 12/01/2011 5:08:12 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

Drudge is my home page and when I just logged in my heart sank. But once again this is the MSM declaring that his candidacy is over, not Cain himself.

Even if Cain DID have an affair, I still would take Cain for president over Romney. Or Newt. At this point in time, the importance of a president who would uphold the Constitution of the United States of America supersedes supposed personal marital indiscretion. And if people hold this against Cain they could not in turn vote for Newt.


27 posted on 12/01/2011 5:09:55 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: mdittmar

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Godfather’s was supposed to go bankrupt.

Stage 4 colon cancer was supposed to kill him too.

His whole life is a story of defeating the odds.

Cain 2012!!


28 posted on 12/01/2011 5:10:19 PM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: mdittmar

If Herman stays in the race, he has my vote, and that is all the **** there is to it.


29 posted on 12/01/2011 5:11:19 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: mdittmar

Obama feared him and used the Chicago way.


30 posted on 12/01/2011 5:11:49 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: Steelfish

No disrespect, but if Santorum and Bachmann were considered viable candidates, their numbers would be somewhere near 15 or 20 percent and not in the basement.

And they’d likely not be trying to be pure candidates.


31 posted on 12/01/2011 5:12:21 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Steelfish

I am still on the Cain train, but Bachman would be the only other viable candidate imho. We need to push her as the first real woman president. The antithesis of what Hillary! would have been... the first wino (woman in name only) president!


32 posted on 12/01/2011 5:12:46 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Steelfish

Pass.


33 posted on 12/01/2011 5:12:46 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Perdogg

If you have seen the numbers, then why do you worry what Cain supporters think? I don’t see anyone getting upset that Perry still has supporters? Go embrace your candidate and leave us alone.


34 posted on 12/01/2011 5:16:07 PM PST by TBall
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To: mdittmar

You have to admit, McCain campaign managers are experts on zero chances. He was likely pushing for Lieberman as VP,

Pray for Cain


35 posted on 12/01/2011 5:18:07 PM PST by bray (The Tea Party Occupies their Mind)
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To: justsaynomore
Amen! He's stared at the jaws of death and fought back.

Don't think some pitiful skanks making bogus allegations are going to stop him.

36 posted on 12/01/2011 5:19:05 PM PST by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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To: mdittmar

Ironically, I received my Cain for President yard sign just today.


37 posted on 12/01/2011 5:23:27 PM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: mdittmar

Ironically, I received my Cain for President yard sign just today.


38 posted on 12/01/2011 5:23:44 PM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: mdittmar

Ironically, I received my Cain for President yard sign just today.


39 posted on 12/01/2011 5:23:59 PM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: mdittmar

Whether anyone liked Santorum enough to support him or not...looks like there is a strong possibilty he will withdraw...very sad news. GOP hopeful Rick Santorum campaigns with a seriously ill daughter at home

By Melinda Henneberger

SIOUX CITY, IOWA — At the lectern in a packed convention center last month, Rick Santorum spoke haltingly, not for the first or the last time, about his seriously ill youngest daughter, Isabella , who has the genetic disorder Trisomy 18. Half of all children with the chromosomal anomaly, more common in girls, are stillborn. And of those who do survive, only one in 10 makes it to her first birthday.


40 posted on 12/01/2011 5:24:23 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Yaelle
What if Cain came clean

But what if there's nothing to "come clean" about? What if the whole thing is a propaganda show? Think about it. Should he lie, so people can forgive him for something he didn't do? How well would that set with a genuinely moral man? Indeed, if he tried to play along with it just to buy some fake forgiveness, I really would have no respect for him. As it is, nothing's been proven against him, he has denied it all, and we are supposed to presume innocence until otherwise notified. Losing Palin to the leftist lie machine (LLM) was bad enough. We can't let them control us like this.

41 posted on 12/01/2011 5:24:58 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: bray

We’re in a tough spot here,I’ll pray for all of us.


42 posted on 12/01/2011 5:26:12 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: ChocChipCookie
Ironically, I received my Cain for President yard sign just today.
Ironically, I received my Cain for President yard sign just today.
Ironically, I received my Cain for President yard sign just today.

You put 3 signs on your lawn?

43 posted on 12/01/2011 5:29:35 PM PST by softwarecreator
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To: mdittmar

Wasn’t it Saul Alinsky that said something like , in an election, destroy the opposition opponent with character attacks. I don’t have the exact quote...........sorry!


44 posted on 12/01/2011 5:31:17 PM PST by RobertoinAL
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To: ChocChipCookie

Irony can be so ironic, ironically. Especially if you receive 3 yard signs all in one day!


45 posted on 12/01/2011 5:35:26 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

What is to be gained by lying about Mr. Cain, and would it be worth the risk knowing the MSM wouldn’t dig it out? Millions and millions of dollars, power, control, careers, salaries. I believe someone would cook the lie in a heart beat. I still want Mr. Cain on the ballot. And yes, the dems would count on the MSM to not investigate it.


46 posted on 12/01/2011 5:35:59 PM PST by healy61
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To: Yaelle
Cain has already denied the allegations made by Ginger White.
If he recants his denial, he is done.

Your “what if”, and contrasting Cain with Edwards means nothing to Republicans.
We already know there is a MSM double standard.DUH.
I guess we find out tomorrow.
Is Herman Cain our next POTUS or not?

47 posted on 12/01/2011 5:38:08 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: mdittmar
I question whether the allegations hurt him. Affairs or not, Cain just wasn't a serious candidate. Look, Newt has had a scandalous past, and he rose as Cain fell, so are Republicans actually turned off by Cain's alleged affairs? This sort of candidate pops up a lot--voters get excited, have a brief dalliance, then realize the guy isn't actually qualified. Obama was in that camp, but he miraculously won. Cain is what usually happens.

(As a disclosure, I'm not a supporter of any of the candidates, just someone who'll vote R in the general.)

48 posted on 12/01/2011 5:42:39 PM PST by ElectronVolt
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To: mdittmar
My take on this....

1) I think that he probably did have a thing going at one time with White, that it was long over and that, for whatever reasons of guilt, fear or compassion, he has been helping her financially.

2) I do not think that this should sink him as a candidate - it will but it shouldn't.

3) He probably did say a couple of dicey things to some women back in his corporate days...but that type of banter is de riguer at corporate events with an open bar. I say, "so what".

4) I like the idea of Herman Cain as a serious contender better than I do the reality ---- 999 was always a non-starter for me.

49 posted on 12/01/2011 5:50:02 PM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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WADR, I beg to examine some of your remarks, one by one.

1. “His standing in polls is cratering. Supporters are wavering if not fleeing. Fundraising is suffering.”

First of all; I have seen no clear evidence whether Cain’s support is cratering, or not. It may be, but there have been no reliable reports that I have seen.

2. “And, these days, the former pizza company executive is less a serious candidate than the butt of late-night comedy jokes after a string of accusations of sexually inappropriate behavior and, now, an allegation of a 13-yearlong extramarital affair.”

Which Republican candidate HAS NOT been the butt of late night comedians’ jokes?! Are we going to let the likes of Letterman select our candidate? A lady who I admire a lot, Ms. Alveda King, came out in defense of Herman Cain today, and the goods on the accuser are just now oozing out into the open. I intend to keep my powder dry and wait a little while before judging.

3, ‘”His chance at winning the presidency are effectively zero,” said Dave Welch, a Republican strategist who worked on both of John McCain’s presidential bids.’

Wow! There’s a great resume’ highlight; that he helped in the destruction of ol’ John?! The fact that Mr. Welch participated in McLame’s campaign puts him squarely in the same trash bin as Rollins, Beckel and all the other failures as campaign managers! IMHO


50 posted on 12/01/2011 5:54:50 PM PST by Tucker39
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