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Will The EPA Choke Oil Shale Production
Investor's Business Daily ^ | December 1, 2011 | IBD staff

Posted on 12/01/2011 5:20:19 PM PST by raptor22

New Energy: The latest salvo in the administration's war on energy may be new rules and permits to regulate a process to get oil and gas from porous rock, sacrificing jobs and economic growth while under review.

There are a few areas of the U.S. that are booming. Two of these are in North Dakota and Pennsylvania, states that sit atop two massive shale rock formations, the Bakken and the Marcellus.

Extraction of oil and natural gas from these formations have created jobs and economic growth in the midst of a stagnant and parched economy.

The oil and gas is extracted from this porous rock by a process called hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking."

The process involves the injection under high pressure of fluids, mainly water with a few chemical additives, to fracture the porous shale rock and allow the release and extraction of the oil and gas trapped inside the porous rock. Environmentalists contend these chemical additives contaminate groundwater supplies.

The fluid used in the process is 99.5% sand and water. There are other chemicals ranging from the citric acid found in soda to benzene, which are used to reduce friction and fight microbes.

Shale formations in which fracking is used are thousands of feet deep. Drinking water aquifers are generally only a hundred feet deep. There's solid rock between them.

Yet the Environmental Protection Agency, bowing to environmentalists' pressure and faithful to the administration mantra that fossil fuels are harmful and obsolete, is preparing to nip this economic boom in the bud by regulating it to death.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; US: North Dakota; US: Pennsylvania; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: bakken; canada; currency; dollarcollapse; economy; energy; epa; epaoutofcontrol; fossilfuels; fracking; ibd; ibdenergy; marcellus; naturalgas; northdakota; oil; pennsylvania; regulations; shale

1 posted on 12/01/2011 5:20:22 PM PST by raptor22
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To: raptor22

They will try, but this will be their Donnybrook.


2 posted on 12/01/2011 5:31:26 PM PST by AdaGray
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To: raptor22

The EPA’s unstated mission objective is to strangle the United States of America and turn the joint into another turd world country. Unfortunately, they are the one government agency that IS doing its job.


3 posted on 12/01/2011 5:32:20 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks raptor22.


4 posted on 12/01/2011 5:33:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Clairity; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

Energy ping


5 posted on 12/01/2011 5:34:12 PM PST by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: AdaGray

Could you elaborate on that?

I hope you are right; but I don’t like the sound of this at all.

Anything you could offer by way of analysis would be very, very welcome.....


6 posted on 12/01/2011 5:35:26 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: raptor22

Try to stop it, A##hole. Public sentiment, a.k.a. Boeing in South Carolina, will prevail....and crush you in November.


7 posted on 12/01/2011 5:36:53 PM PST by chiller ( Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

So they can think they are saving us...


8 posted on 12/01/2011 5:36:59 PM PST by aces
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To: raptor22

The EPA is in GE’s pocket, sell more of their wind generators.

Sell anybodies wind generators because GE can sell their combustion turbines to back those up.

Don’t tell anyone but those wind generators are full of copper wires.


9 posted on 12/01/2011 5:44:14 PM PST by hadaclueonce ("Endeavor to persevere.")
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To: raptor22
The residents of Dimock,PA are scurrying about today trying to find drinking water as Cabot has cut off deliveries of potable water to them. Even the Mayor of Binghamton, NY jumped into the fray, offering to truck in water for the Penn folks involved. Approx. 60 residents as I understand it.

Anyway, guess they have another court hearing next week. And so it goes...and goes.

10 posted on 12/01/2011 5:51:07 PM PST by donozark (Not all heroes wear tights and a cape.)
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To: raptor22
The fluid used in the process is 99.5% sand and water. There are other chemicals ranging from the citric acid found in soda to benzene, which are used to reduce friction and fight microbes.

Sounds innocent, but it is more complicated, secret formulas, contains radioactive materials and other nasty stuff. There are cases of accidental spills and contamination, people and animals getting sick.

Shale formations in which fracking is used are thousands of feet deep. Drinking water aquifers are generally only a hundred feet deep. There's solid rock between them.

Not so simple geology, guaranteed solid rock?
Cases of contaminated drinking water, some places in PA are sorry they allowed fracking. Pumping this stuff into ground under very high pressures is not so straight forward, possible disturbances in the geology causing earthquakes (LA)
Worth looking into accidents and coming up with solutions to avoid and minimize potential irreversible damage.

11 posted on 12/01/2011 6:12:25 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: raptor22
The fluid used in the process is 99.5% sand and water. There are other chemicals ranging from the citric acid found in soda to benzene, which are used to reduce friction and fight microbes.

Sounds innocent, but it is more complicated, secret formulas, contains radioactive materials and other nasty stuff. There are cases of accidental spills and contamination, people and animals getting sick.

Shale formations in which fracking is used are thousands of feet deep. Drinking water aquifers are generally only a hundred feet deep. There's solid rock between them.

Not so simple geology, guaranteed solid rock?
Cases of contaminated drinking water, some places in PA are sorry they allowed fracking. Pumping this stuff into ground under very high pressures is not so straight forward, possible disturbances in the geology causing earthquakes (LA)
Worth looking into accidents and coming up with solutions to avoid and minimize potential irreversible damage.

12 posted on 12/01/2011 6:16:32 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: AdaGray

Agree. There will be hard political blowback if they try and reach for it.


13 posted on 12/01/2011 6:17:42 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Leo Carpathian
Leo, I live in NC Texas -- in the middle of the Barnett Shale, where horizontal fracking originated about twenty-some years ago.

It's nothing do. They have been fracking vertical wells in Texas since the early fifties. We've got over sixty years experience with it.

Over that course of time there has never been one instance of groundwater contamination that traced to fracking. None.

Any problems that have occurred trace to spills and mismanagement -- which can (and do) happen in any industry. I'm not aware of any such event in the past sixty years that might be considered "a danger to the community", however.

Earthquakes happen. Even when there is no fracking. They're not commonplace in this part of the country...but they've been known to rattle our cage from time-to-time. There is no apparent connection to fracking -- though a lot of people (and the media) would like to find one.

Objecting to the process -- when the facts counter every single enviro argument -- only gets in the way of exploiting a valuable natural resource that will make money for the American economy, American industry and American labor -- while saving energy-consuming Americans big money.

The enviros and the media are feeding you a line of shit.

Sorry, can't think of any plainer way to say it.

14 posted on 12/01/2011 6:27:54 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Leo Carpathian

Most of the fracking is being done miles down below any water table used for humans. When they actually investigate, rather than speculate - EPA science, all cases have shown that fracking didn’t contaminate anything. Ecco-freaks start the rumors and then the EPA freezes everything while they plod through speculation that they label investigation.


15 posted on 12/01/2011 6:29:46 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: raptor22

Haven’t read the article, but anything the epa sitters do is not conducive to any help to the American worker or industry. They use fake science to force businesses out of business and the employees out of work.
The epa is a group of non elected individuals making laws that are not constitutional. They have buffolowed our elected royals with one thing or another to curry their acceptance of anything the epa deems not to their liking. They are the forefront and nowfront of the nobama, soros destroying of the American idea.
We need to rid this country of the epa and nobama as soon as possible, or we’re burned toast.


16 posted on 12/01/2011 6:32:56 PM PST by tillacum
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To: aces

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear!


17 posted on 12/01/2011 6:39:53 PM PST by hapnHal (hapnHal)
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To: okie01

I would still feel a hell of a lot better if there were full disclosure of exactly what these substances actually are that they are pumping at high pressure through these well pipes.


18 posted on 12/01/2011 7:05:47 PM PST by rogator
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To: Leo Carpathian

Leo, your claims are unsubstantiated assertions being made by the fools trying to make money on and who want we peasants to live like it’s 1825 with warnings on global warming, energy and mineral extraction, coatings inside food cans, child vaccines, gene modified seeds and animals, curing Michael Fox with fetal stem cells and other bad science claims. Hard data and good research is lacking or fudged due to an agenda.

The free bottled water was stopped as the gas was from a surface layer and not the fracked layer 1000s of feet below. Most companies are disclosing the frack formulas publicly or if proprietary, to regulators. Some frack spillage came from drilling blow back, but this is being addressed by drillers with holding ponds. The holding ponds are drained into tank later for safe water treatment. Fracking has created thousands of good paying jobs and will make us energy independent, without government subsidized projects like Solyndra scandal.


19 posted on 12/01/2011 7:14:54 PM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: rogator
They are probably the kind of stuff under your kitchen sink,.

Including dish washing soap!

20 posted on 12/01/2011 7:21:40 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: rogator
I would still feel a hell of a lot better if there were full disclosure of exactly what these substances actually are that they are pumping at high pressure through these well pipes.

Go ask.

Every well has a log of exactly what they put down the hole in the fracking process. In Texas, the logs are open for public inspection.

I would imagine that Pennsylvania's regulations require similar openess.

21 posted on 12/01/2011 7:30:07 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: rogator
I would still feel a hell of a lot better if there were full disclosure of exactly what these substances actually are that they are pumping at high pressure through these well pipes.

Nothing nearly as toxic as the oil they're pumping out:
A wide variety of chemical additives are used in hydraulic fracturing fluids. They include: dilute acids, biocides, breakers, corrosion inhibitors, crosslinkers, friction reducers, gels, potassium chloride, oxygen scavengers, pH adjusting agents, scale inhibitors and surfactants. These chemical additives typically might make up just 1/2 to 2 percent of the fluid. The remaining 98 to 99 1/2 percent of the fluid is water. Proppants such as sand, aluminum shot or ceramic beads are frequently injected to hold fractures open after the pressure treatment is completed.

22 posted on 12/01/2011 7:39:38 PM PST by aruanan
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To: RicocheT

Unsubstantiated?
Just check some real life stories, like:

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/04/19/gas-drilling-industry-makes-stunning-admission/

http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,876880045001_2062814,00.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/us-chesapeake-blowout-idUSTRE73K5OH20110421


23 posted on 12/01/2011 8:05:02 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: aruanan

Yup.
I understand that they are adding “dilute acids, biocides, breakers, corrosion inhibitors, crosslinkers, friction reducers, gels, potassium chloride, oxygen scavengers, pH adjusting agents, scale inhibitors and surfactants” to the 99+% of water.
What I would like to see is full disclosure of what exactly is the chemical composition of these “dilute acids, biocides, breakers, corrosion inhibitors, crosslinkers, friction reducers, gels, oxygen scavengers, pH adjusting agents, scale inhibitors and surfactants”.


24 posted on 12/01/2011 8:14:38 PM PST by rogator
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To: thackney

Ping.


25 posted on 12/01/2011 8:27:09 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: raptor22

The US has recently become a net exporter of petroleum products instead of an importer and the trend is growing.

Being an exporter gives the US new world status and negotiating power that the Obama administration is not going to be able to use. It’s just one more reason to look forward to Obama being defeated next November.


26 posted on 12/01/2011 8:32:03 PM PST by Eva
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To: raptor22

27 posted on 12/01/2011 9:37:24 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (I have a job; therefore I am in the 1%.)
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping


28 posted on 12/01/2011 9:55:50 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (I have a job; therefore I am in the 1%.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion; Darnright; rdl6989; bamahead; Nervous Tick; SteamShovel; Tunehead54; ...
Thanx for the ping TenthAmendmentChampion !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

29 posted on 12/02/2011 3:02:20 AM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: donozark
The residents of Dimock,PA are scurrying about today trying to find drinking water as Cabot has cut off deliveries of potable water to them.

The residents of Dimock have no case and cannot show how hydraulic fracturing affected their wells.....and they have the help of the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection and the US Environmental Protection Agency.

Cabot supplied the water as a measure of good faith while the wells were being examined, tested and evaluated.

Those tests, evaluations and examinations are complete and natural gas drilling is not the problem.

Hydraulic fracturing has not contaminated a single well in the 60 years it has been used in conjunction with oil and gas drilling.

30 posted on 12/02/2011 5:09:45 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Leo Carpathian
Sounds innocent, but it is more complicated, secret formulas, contains radioactive materials and other nasty stuff. There are cases of accidental spills and contamination, people and animals getting sick.

You have swallowed the environmental ejaculate and now try to get us to do the same.

1) The contents of frack fluid is either public knowledge or provided to the local environmental agency.

2) The radioactive materials are what is coming up from the shale area. That water is treated and recycled.

3) The "other nasty stuff" is what is already in the earth below your aquifer....stuff like salts and chemicals that occur naturally.

Accidental spills and blowbacks are the biggest danger. The blowback from the Chesapeake operation in Bradford County PA cannot be detected in the ground or streams nearby. An overturned heating oil truck poses a larger risk to aquifers than fracking fluid.

31 posted on 12/02/2011 5:17:00 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: rogator
I understand that they are adding “dilute acids, biocides, breakers, corrosion inhibitors, crosslinkers, friction reducers, gels, potassium chloride, oxygen scavengers, pH adjusting agents, scale inhibitors and surfactants” to the 99+% of water.

All of this is disclosed and public information in Pennsylvania. In other states, it is disclosed to the state regulatory agency. There are no secrets.

Here is your "dangerous" frack fluid from Halliburton:


32 posted on 12/02/2011 5:20:02 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Leo Carpathian
Unsubstantiated? Just check some real life stories, like:

Leo, the bromide in the water was a laboratory error! I posted the article right here on FR!

You are spreading lies.

The spill in Bradford County has been shown to have had immediate effects on surface water. However, later tests show no trace of the chemicals from fracking fluid in the well, pond or streams. In other words, mother nature healed itself.

So, instead of spreading lies and hysteria, check for facts. Don't be a liberal.

33 posted on 12/02/2011 5:25:37 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

More problems this morning. Warren Township, State Game Lands. Approx. 1/2 hour drive from Dimock. Pool of “sludge” discovered on State Game Lands. Not good. Talisman Energy Co. investigating. As are all the state/fed. agencies. Looks like a careless trucker dumped his load.


34 posted on 12/02/2011 5:29:46 AM PST by donozark (Not all heroes wear tights and a cape.)
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To: donozark
More problems this morning. Warren Township, State Game Lands. Approx. 1/2 hour drive from Dimock. Pool of “sludge” discovered on State Game Lands. Not good. Talisman Energy Co. investigating. As are all the state/fed. agencies. Looks like a careless trucker dumped his load.

Yeah, nobody dumped on state land prior to the gas industry coming here.

35 posted on 12/02/2011 7:02:24 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

Wonder if perhaps eco-terrorism? Premature in any case. But the publicity will do the industry no good in any event. The timing of this dumping concerns me...is my point.


36 posted on 12/02/2011 7:26:02 AM PST by donozark (Not all heroes wear tights and a cape.)
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To: Erik Latranyi; rogator

“Here is your “dangerous” frack fluid from Halliburton:”

You’re mistaken. The fracking fluid is crystal clear. However, a corporate exec did take a swig at a conference! That pic, although used yesterday in another thread, is not a pic of a glass of “fracking fluid.”


37 posted on 12/02/2011 7:53:18 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: donozark
Wonder if perhaps eco-terrorism? Premature in any case. But the publicity will do the industry no good in any event. The timing of this dumping concerns me...is my point.

Man Charged with Dumping 800 Gallons of Fracking Fluid

38 posted on 12/02/2011 9:52:30 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: raptor22

The first thing a new Republican President must do on Jan 20, 2013, is to disband the EPA & other parts of the Federal government.

The 2nd thing is to fire all the Shadow Government Czars & their staffs.

The 3rd thing is to reverse each & every EXECUTIVE ORDER signed by Barry the Imposter.

The 4th thing is to present evidence of Barry’s birth outside the USA & his attendance at Occidental College as a Foreign Aid student who was a citizen of Indonesia, along with proof of dual citizenship.


39 posted on 12/02/2011 11:26:18 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Erik Latranyi

In order to find out the fluids used in fracking, Pennsylvania requires you to file paperwork requesting the list on a well by well basis via a Right-To-Know request.
Not hardly published public information the way I read it.
If you or anyone else can post the names/formulae of the actual chemicals used in fracking, I would sure like to see it.


40 posted on 12/02/2011 1:32:44 PM PST by rogator
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To: rogator
Not hardly published public information the way I read it. If you or anyone else can post the names/formulae of the actual chemicals used in fracking, I would sure like to see it.

Please spreading lies and use internet search functions.

Right here:Chesapeake Fracking Fluid Ingredients

41 posted on 12/02/2011 1:44:27 PM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi
You are spreading oil company lies.
I am trying to bring concerns that are legitimate, read wikipedia on fracking and other sources.
If there are problems, some can be solved with technology, some with allowing to drill in the areas of minimal impact.
Just being concerned about possible harmful effects.
42 posted on 12/02/2011 3:44:19 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: Leo Carpathian
I am trying to bring concerns that are legitimate, read wikipedia on fracking and other sources.

The fact that you are using Wikipedia damages your credibility tremendously. It is full of liberal smears and lies.

The salient point is that there is not one case of well contamination from hydraulic fracturing in 60 years of its use.

You, Wikipedia and the environmentalists can spew all you want, but the only real danger is from surface spills.....and that danger is less than a truck of heating oil overturning.

43 posted on 12/02/2011 3:49:34 PM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Leo Carpathian
I am trying to bring concerns that are legitimate, read wikipedia on fracking and other sources.

The fact that you are using Wikipedia damages your credibility tremendously. It is full of liberal smears and lies.

The salient point is that there is not one case of well contamination from hydraulic fracturing in 60 years of its use.

You, Wikipedia and the environmentalists can spew all you want, but the only real danger is from surface spills.....and that danger is less than a truck of heating oil overturning.

44 posted on 12/02/2011 3:50:12 PM PST by Erik Latranyi
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