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Gingrich's unpredictability raises concerns
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | December 2, 2011 | LAURIE KELLMAN

Posted on 12/02/2011 1:25:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

.."I think he's got a pretty good argument to make about his time as speaker, in terms of results," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who served with Gingrich in the House and has not endorsed a presidential candidate. "The real purpose of a president, I think, is to find common ground with Congress to solve our problems. Newt has been in that mix."

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[“Sophisticated” Newt] In February 2009, he [Newt Gingrich] assessed three potential Republican nominees:

Alaska’s Governor Palin, John McCain’s running mate in 2008, could be “very formidable” as a presidential candidate in 2012, Gingrich said. But he stipulated that would be the case only if she “seeks out a group of sophisticated policy advisers” and “spends time developing a series of fairly sophisticated positions.” He noted that “Palin starts in Iowa with a substantial advantage. I think she has a very big base among the fundamentalist wing of the party.” He also mentioned two other potential Republican presidential candidates. “If the economy is still a mess a year from now, then [former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt] Romney’s economic credentials start to come back in an important way,” Gingrich said. He cautioned that “Romney has got to figure out how to close the sale.”

And if Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison becomes governor of Texas, the second largest state, “she is an instantly formidable candidate,” Gingrich said.

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SO.....Will the Bushes back Romney or Gingrich?

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Yesterday (Dec 1, 2011) Mitt Romney was in Houston visiting George HW Bush. The Bush-Rove Machine ran Kay Bailey Hutchison’s primary challenge against Gov. Rick Perry in 2010. Perry won. Hutchison has publicly stated she will not support Perry.

Donors to Bush absent for Perry “WASHINGTON — Fewer than one in 10 of the top fundraisers who helped George W. Bush shatter records for presidential campaign money in 2000 and 2004 have donated to Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s 2012 presidential campaign, a Houston Chronicle analysis of Federal Election Commission data has found.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney holds a wide lead over other GOP presidential hopefuls in donations received from the 939 “Pioneers” and “Rangers” who raised at least $100,000 each for the Bush presidential efforts.”……

Are Conservatives Ready to Forgive Newt Gingrich His Sins? ………..”If Newt can withstand the rehashing of Tom Coburn’s book — a book that portrays Gingrich as talking the talk, but betraying the talk once in office — we may have our anti-Romney. If not, I think Rick Perry may yet have a second coming if he is ready. I say that having asked many callers to my radio show who are Cain supporters where they would go. Most say Newt. The others Perry. And if Newt implodes? They almost always say they’d go to Perry — Romney is rarely their choice.”…….

1 posted on 12/02/2011 1:25:52 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

11 hours ago – RUSH (Limbaugh): The Atlanta Urinal & Constipation


2 posted on 12/02/2011 1:32:42 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Atlanta Journal-Constitution

There's a trusted source of news and information. /s

3 posted on 12/02/2011 1:41:25 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye; Berlin_Freeper

It’s a wire story and all over the place. I picked the AJC source, as it is Newt country.


4 posted on 12/02/2011 1:46:12 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If/When Cain departs, I can’t see his support going to Mittens, even if he endorses him as he did in 2008. It may well put Newt over the top. As far as Perry, he seems lost. He polled like 1% in that FL shocker yesterday. He is spending $ on ads in Iowa rehashing the debate gaffe, with humor. It isn’t working. What is his path to the nomination?


5 posted on 12/02/2011 1:52:53 AM PST by montag813
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Laurie Kellman has a great reputation of her own.
6 posted on 12/02/2011 1:54:19 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sir Bedevere: What makes you think she’s a witch?
Peasant 3: Well, she turned me into a newt!
Sir Bedevere: A newt?
Peasant 3: [meekly after a long pause] ... I got better.
Crowd: [shouts] Burn her anyway!


7 posted on 12/02/2011 1:54:41 AM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
...said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., ... "The real purpose of a president, I think, is to find common ground with Congress to solve our problems. ..."

Lindsey Graham. Always the JACKASS!

8 posted on 12/02/2011 1:59:42 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Do you have a comment on the article?


9 posted on 12/02/2011 2:00:52 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Do you have a comment on the article?

Sure.

10 posted on 12/02/2011 2:01:58 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: montag813
.....As far as Perry, he seems lost. He polled like 1% in that FL shocker yesterday. He is spending $ on ads in Iowa rehashing the debate gaffe, with humor. It isn’t working. What is his path to the nomination?

Fair and honest coverage would be a good start.

Limbaugh finally gets it: The China Myth and Rick Perry

The over the top need to "Quayle" Perry should make voters wonder.

11 posted on 12/02/2011 2:03:47 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: TigersEye
Lindsey Graham. Always the JACKASS!

And he likes Newt's "common ground" way of dealing with issues.

And note how Newt extols Sarah Palin's need to have "sophisticated" advisers that can give her "sophisticated" ideas -- just that old lovable uncle, elite Newt giving his sage advice to us "unsophisticated dummies" out here in fly-over country.

12 posted on 12/02/2011 2:09:04 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You can’t get much more sophisticated than posting an article written by a wacko liberal hack published by a third rate far left newspaper quoting a limp wristed RINO.


13 posted on 12/02/2011 2:13:39 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

You don’t like the conclusions of the article.

We get it.


14 posted on 12/02/2011 2:20:37 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t know who ‘we’ is unless you’ve got a mouse in your pocket but I don’t think you did get it because I didn’t say anything about the conclusions. I just pointed out the character of the sources. I thought that was pretty clear but I guess not.


15 posted on 12/02/2011 2:25:03 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"It’s a wire story and all over the place. I picked the AJC source, as it is Newt country."

Somehow I doubt that if I posted an opinion piece about Perry from a liberal source in Texas you would see it like that.

16 posted on 12/02/2011 2:27:50 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I’ve posted pieces on Gov. Perry from LIBERAL MSM outlets (they all hate him) and then I take the opportunity to defend Perry’s record and correct the article.

But then this article is about Newt. If the premise is wrong — correct it.


17 posted on 12/02/2011 2:33:11 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cincinatus' Wife:

I am impressed by your indefatigable representation of Rick Perry and your adamant opposition to Newt Gingrich, whom I support. Last night I published the following reply in this thread:

"Gingrich's unpredictability raises concerns"

(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2815052/posts)

I presume to repeat it here because I think it explains why these objections to Gingrich which you so diligently publish have found no traction and, in my judgment, will find no statistical resonance; so, it is very likely that Gingrich will gain the nomination.

In effect, I am saying that the battle you are fighting so well has no relevance to the mood of the electorate in these extraordinary times.

A word about Rick Perry. I believe his much ballyhooed comeback is a hope forlorn. He is facing one insurmountable obstacle, no American wants to be embarrassed by his president and Perry unfortunately has embarrassed us as he embarrassed himself. We want our champions who represent us before the world to be someone we can be proud of not someone who is liable to embarrass us. We (the whole electorate including the mushy middle not predominated by FReepers) would rather have a scoundrel like Clinton than a patriot like George Bush with a tendency to step on his tongue.

Here is yesterday's reply:

At the end of the day the Tea Party will embrace Newt Gingrich. To assume that the Tea Party was about a checklist of conservative principles is to misunderstand the energizing impulse that created and sustains the tea party. The tea party is aroused because they feel, quite reasonably, that their country is slipping away and the danger is not remote but imminent and catastrophic.

They did not gather in their millions across the village green of America because the Congress did not put the decimal point in the right place, the Tea Party exists out of the conviction that they must save the Republic.

So they seek policies toward that end and those policies inevitably are conservative policies because conservatism is patriotic and prudent. But they are not conservatives who seek conservative policies, they are patriots who seek national salvation.

When they judge a presidential candidate they will not measure him against a conservative matrix, they are going to ask themselves whether he can save the country. In other words, above all they want a man of vision, a man who can articulate that vision, a man who can carry the country.

Gov. Perry simply disqualified himself from that description. Newt Gingrich among all the candidates alone possesses the potential to be great. He could also be a great disappointment. But we must take the chance because a business as usual president simply is not the man for the times. There is a sense that this is a time of destiny for Gingrich.

To offer the following observation is knowingly to court the cheap and easy rebuke but it nevertheless must be said: the American people are awakening to the danger which is buffeting them from abroad and from within. They fear for their country and for their children. They are turning to a man whom they would not otherwise consider normal times. The historical parallel is Winston Churchill in 1939-1940.

This is not to say that Gingrich is in the same class with Churchill but the resemblance is remarkable. Both are possessed of the highest intellect, both are successful authors, both have vast parliamentary experience, both are seemingly controversial, both are accused of being fountains of bad as well as great ideas, both are masters of oratory, both have been cast into the wilderness and come back, both have been accused of ideological impurity, Churchill having crossed the aisle twice, both have farsighted vision.

England would never have turned to Winston Churchill if it were not the hour of her greatest peril. Newt Gingrich is not Winston Churchill but he might just be Margaret Thatcher. The rest of the field cannot even compete in the same league. If we entrust Gingrich with the office and he missteps at least we will have taken our best shot. It is not ideological purity that we need to save the country but leadership, even charisma. We have no choice but to take the risk of nominating Gingrich just as England had no choice but to turn to the one man that could save her.

This is why The Tea Party is able to embrace Gingrich and this is why the base of the Republican Party is even now embracing Gingrich, and this is why he will prevail in the election. It is not just a matter of eliminating the other candidates, that is not why England turned to Churchill, there were, after all, other men of substance but there was no one else who held the promise that Churchill held to save the world-and no one carried such a risk as Churchill.

They had to assume the risk to get Churchill.


18 posted on 12/02/2011 2:35:10 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The over the top need to "Quayle" Perry should make voters wonder.

I have met Rick Perry. I found him to be an affable and gregarious fellow. He has a great personality - in PERSON. Often that is lost on the stump. He is hardly the first. I met Al Gore a few times in 1988 and '89. Great guy, funny guy...in person. But stiffest pol in history in debates or on the stump. You need to tell your Perry friends to create some events or forums that better showcase his attractive personality.

19 posted on 12/02/2011 2:45:21 AM PST by montag813
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To: nathanbedford

“Gingrich’s unpredictability raises concerns”

(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2815052/posts)

That’s this thread. I searched earlier for this title — you say you posted the same comment on an earlier thread. Is it posted somewhere else on FR?


20 posted on 12/02/2011 2:46:23 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have seen your countless posts about Perry which amount to nothing but fanatical support of an atrociously poor candidate for President of The Untied States of America.

While I, have posted just last evening that with Newt Conservatives need to keep a constant pressure on him.

This “unpredictability” opinion needs to be backed up by you because the item you posted here fails to do so. The Lib spotlights the dated statement from Gingrich about illegals and takes half the item to briefly allude in a single sentence what Gingrich has said out it since then.

The only thing predictable here is you turning to the next front-runner because your guy sucks real bad as a candidate.


21 posted on 12/02/2011 2:46:38 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; nathanbedford; All

Thanks for posting; Very interesting, well-stated comment. Fascinating thread. BTTT!


22 posted on 12/02/2011 2:50:20 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Sorry for the blunder. Here is the link:

"If Gingrich is the answer, Tea Party has failed"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2814658/posts?page=158#158


23 posted on 12/02/2011 2:53:56 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

You expressed beautifully exactly how I feel. I know Newt is far from perfect - in fact vastly flawed, but I really believe he is the right man for this time. I believe he will rise to the occasion. He is the man. And his confidence doesn’t put me off one bit. We need someone self-assured, and someone who will take on the enemies (both within and without) of our great country.

Perry might have made a good President, at another time. But we are too soon after George Bush...and as you said, we don’t want or need another President who’s prone to embaress himself and us who would support him.


24 posted on 12/02/2011 2:55:48 AM PST by cinciella
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To: nathanbedford
The difference is Newt Gingrich isn't Churchill and your hoping he is won't sell Newt to me.

Newt has a moderate record and the ability to talk the talk of whatever group he address and "connect" with them.

How will Gingrich's lack of conviction and moral underpinning help turn things around for us and the country? If your support for Newt is because you feel the main thing he has going for him is that he will keep Obama out of the White House for 4 more years, I think you have a BIG problem.

If it isn't enough that Lindsey Graham praises Newt, perhaps you might be bothered that John Kerry does too.

25 posted on 12/02/2011 2:56:32 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cinciella

Newt Gingrich has a history of going off the rails and embarrassing himself and those around him.

Don’t create a conservative caricature of Newt and sell it as truth.


26 posted on 12/02/2011 2:59:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: montag813
If/When Cain departs, I can’t see his support going to Mittens, even if he endorses him as he did in 2008. It may well put Newt over the top.

Rasmussen did two polls the other day, one with all the candidates and Gingrich with a 22 point lead over second place Romney. Second poll showed what would happen if Cain decided it was time to drop out, Gingrich actually extended his lead on Romney while the others neither moved up or down except Romney who lost two percentage points and Gingrich gained eight more points.

27 posted on 12/02/2011 3:00:38 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I lived in Texas for 8 years under Perry. He was a big disappointment. The conservatives were always fighting him over something.

I guess if I had to continually prop up and make excuses for a failing candidate, I’d be bitter too.


28 posted on 12/02/2011 3:10:27 AM PST by cinciella
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To: All

a woman handling Lindsey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeyrp-V3Jvc


29 posted on 12/02/2011 3:11:14 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If Newt were to beat Obama next November, he would be taking office from a 1 term President driven out of office.

That should give Newt good reason to keep his promises & not flip to liberalism.

Also, if Newt wins, that will likely mean the Pubs have made gains in both houses of Congress. That would help Newt stay with a conservative program.

I know this is not guaranteed, but it is likely.

30 posted on 12/02/2011 3:12:21 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: nathanbedford

I believe we are at a time in American politics where if you tell it like it is you’ll win. Newt will not only destroy Obama in a debate he will do one better. He will annihilate the left wing moderators which will make most Americans stand up and cheer. Not an endorsement just an observation.


31 posted on 12/02/2011 3:19:49 AM PST by liberty or death
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To: cinciella

I live in Texas — Perry has not been a disappointment and if vetting Gingrich makes you call me “bitter” that’s just your take to avoid talking about Newt’s record.

I’m not running in the primary.


32 posted on 12/02/2011 3:22:41 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Berlin_Freeper; Cincinatus' Wife
I have seen your [Cincinatus' Wife] countless posts about Perry which amount to nothing but fanatical support of an atrociously poor candidate for President of The Untied States of America.

While I, have posted just last evening that with Newt Conservatives need to keep a constant pressure on him.

This “unpredictability” opinion needs to be backed up by you because the item you posted here fails to do so. The Lib spotlights the dated statement from Gingrich about illegals and takes half the item to briefly allude in a single sentence what Gingrich has said out it since then.

The only thing predictable here is you turning to the next front-runner because your guy sucks real bad as a candidate.

I used to be a Perry supporter and a Cincinatus' Wife defender.

I am now no longer either.

Perry has shown an inability to communicate which makes him completely unelectable and Cincinatus' Wife has slipped, in my opinion, from a valiant fighter for a cause to a tired old repetitive hack.

Perry's support in many polls is now below the margin of error of those polls. I know the same was true for Gingrich back in the spring of this year, but that was the beginning of the campaign and that was before Perry's huge bump in the polls upon his initial entry into the campaign.

It's one thing to be a 1%er in April... quite another to be a 1% in December, after you've been has high as 30%.

Anyone who can't see the reasons and the significance and the meaning and the likely outcome of Perry's fall from 30% to 1% is either a paid operative or just plain stupid.

33 posted on 12/02/2011 3:27:06 AM PST by samtheman
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To: nathanbedford

I see what you’re saying about Thatcher but I’m still sticking to the thesis that Gingrich is our Churchill. If for no other reason than looks alone (kidding).

Churchill, like Gingrich, was greatly flawed. Churchill rose to the occasion of history, saved his country, and became one of history’s greats.

I expect the same of Gingrich.


34 posted on 12/02/2011 3:29:43 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Mister Da
If Newt were to beat Obama next November, he would be taking office from a 1 term President driven out of office. That should give Newt good reason to keep his promises & not flip to liberalism......

Not really. It is NOT hard to govern to the right of Obama. That hardly capitalizes on the golden opportunity conservatism has to advance.

After 4 years of Newt -- then what? Next election......we have little change -- more government (Newt loves big government solutions and U.N. involvement) and little distinction between him and a Democrat challenger.

The country is TOO closely divided to allow this slide to proceed. The country doesn't have time for Newt to tinker around with his "ideas." We need someone who SEES the problems, has fought federal regulations and won, has energized an economy during the Obama recession by removing obstacles, and who will shake things up in D.C. and give power back to the states. That's Gov. Rick Perry.

35 posted on 12/02/2011 3:31:52 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Berlin_Freeper
.....This “unpredictability” opinion needs to be backed up by you because the item you posted here fails to do so. The Lib spotlights the dated statement from Gingrich about illegals and takes half the item to briefly allude in a single sentence what Gingrich has said out it since then....

For starters see John Kerry and Newt Gingrich's "debate" LINKED in Post # 25. It is typical Newt, seeing and praising the other side of the issue.

Then Andy Ferguson's take on Newt:

Re-written and highlighted here: Gingrich the Phony Intellectual …………Finally, there is Gingrich the disorganized. “Gingrich’s vagueness was always a problem, but the books show something more: a near-total lack of interest in the political implementation of his grand ideas — a lack of interest, finally, in politics at its most mundane and consequential level. Gingrich’s inattention to detail is one reason his speakership was so chaotic, as readers of a certain age will recall, and the primary reason he was shunned by his own party after four years with the gavel.”

When many in the mainstream media and far too many conservatives who should know better swoon over his pronouncements, the cannier on the right and left justifiably roll their eyes in disgust. Gingrich’s mind is an attic of throwaway, unusable and downright goofy ideas, piled high like newspapers in the room of a troubled subject on “Hoarders.” The volume is great, the quality is shoddy. His hobbyhorse is technology, or rather gimmickry. (“The coming rush of high technology will dismantle the welfare state and provide a replacement that is humane and efficient; it will free the poor from government dependency, take apart a failing educational establishment, relieve the drudgery of industrial labor and provide a steady supply of pleasant jobs, defrock out-of-touch elites in every corner of the ruthlessly secular society, clean up the environment and bequeath to us an America that is ‘safe, healthy, prosperous and free,’ as he wrote in ‘Winning the Future’ and, with slight variation, in most of his other books too.”)

But, ironically, what he never masters is politics. His collapse as speaker is more understandable once you grasp the full extent of his egomania and grandiose visions (“Muddling through — which is the default option of our constitutional system and the one that most Americans, latently conservative as they are, seem to prefer — never surfaces in the swirling mists of his crystal ball.”) Daydreamers and narcissists can make (in small doses) amusing writers and entertaining cocktail party guests, but lousy political leaders. And as president? Shudder.”

36 posted on 12/02/2011 3:44:14 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: samtheman; Cincinatus' Wife

I might be wrong. If so then Cincinatus’ Wife will please correct me.

But if I recall correctly... Cincinatus’ Wife was just as big a Romney 2008 supporter as she now is a Perry 2012 supporter.

And with Perry doing so badly now - one has to wonder what the real motive of trying to deflate Newt is about?

Especially at this late point with votes being cast next month - Romney is the only who will gain, definitely not Perry.

This is why it is important for people to remain on guard and not be misled by a possible hidden agenda.


37 posted on 12/02/2011 3:47:40 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SF_Redux

I love that woman!

Ann Barnhardt for President...Oh that’s right she has no political experience, whats she know about foreign policy, or the economy etc...?

I can’t answer those questions, but I can say this, she knows what it means to be an American...that’s what we need first and foremost, all that other stuff will be well taken care of, if one puts America’s interests first in all things.

Some one Bold, Brave and True to our constitutional principles, not those who are dedicated to the principles of wimpy, whiny, political correctness.

Our current crop of candidates, (any one of whom would be far better than obama), IMHO do not measure up to Bold, Brave and True to our constitution, and for one to be so, and do so, is not by any measure, expecting perfection, as seems to be the current justification for lower standards.

To many folks all this just sounds like prattle, but hearing Ann again, brought my mind back to assessing where we are and where we are going...Thank You, SF


38 posted on 12/02/2011 4:01:21 AM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If you find that Perry has not been a disappointment, then you must be far more moderate than I am and many of the Tea Partiers that I know who live there. Many months ago I heard Perry talk of how he had a vision to strengthen States rights, and to strengthen the power of the governorships. I thought, finally he seemed to be showing some conservatism, and some vision. He was asked if he was going to run for President, and he said no, his plan was to make the governors more powerful than the President - that he had a real vision for moving the country back to how it was laid out in the constitution. I was impressed with that. He should have run with that. Too bad.

I called you “bitter” because it seems that anytime anyone says anything negative about Perry, you don’t just disagree with them, you attempt to cut them down with your comments - like you’re spitting out the words as you write them. It seems a little unnecessary. I’m not your enemy. I just disagree about who’s best to run for President. I realize that Newt is flawed - I said that. But, when he’s on message, and most of the time he actually was in the House and as Speaker, he was brilliantly conservative.


39 posted on 12/02/2011 4:21:29 AM PST by cinciella
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To: samtheman
I used to be a Perry supporter and a Cincinatus' Wife defender. I am now no longer either. Perry has shown an inability to communicate which makes him completely unelectable and Cincinatus' Wife has slipped, in my opinion, from a valiant fighter for a cause to a tired old repetitive hack.

As I recall samtheman, you were a Sarah Palin supporter (as I had been for years -- posting my threads and vanities in support and defense of her). Then I realized Sarah Palin was not running but Rick Perry was (Apparently, you also saw his ideology was in line with hers, as you began posting Palin-Perry composite photos to my Rick Perry threads).

Now you've moved your support to Newt Gingrich (I don't know if that was a straight line or if Herman Cain was before Newt).

Newt (quoted above in post #1] liked Sarah's following in Iowa but said she could only succeed if "..[she] ..“seeks out a group of sophisticated policy advisers” and “spends time developing a series of fairly sophisticated positions.”

Yet you made it a point to post that I am a "tired old repetitive hack" in your defensive of Newt Gingrich, someone who finds Sarah Palin lacking in those "sophisticated" complex thoughts and government policies he is so famous for attributing to himself.

Don't worry samtheman, no one will now associate you with me or my support of Gov. Perry -- but rather with Gingrich who only wants your vote, and who in fact finds you and the rest us middle Americans, intellectually beneath his contempt.

40 posted on 12/02/2011 4:33:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Berlin_Freeper; Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t know about any hidden agendas but I do know this:

Many Freepers were very unfair to Perry when it was his turn in the sun. They completely misrepresented his stand on illegals, in my opinion, and willfully and maliciously misstated it.

Cincinatus’ Wife did a very good job of defending against those false charges.

Now, Perry has slipped. Maybe not irrevocably (I guess anything can happen) but so significantly that any sane supporter must look inwards and reassess and ask the reasons why.

Cincinatus’ Wife is not doing that. She is turning around and doing to Newt what those miscreants in FR did to Perry.

And saying the same thing they said: “I’m just ____” whatever.

Fill in the blank. What she says about what she’s doing now is pretty much like what they said when they were unfairly pilloring Perry, which I always defended Perry against, btw.

My sole argument against Perry is his absolute unelectability.


41 posted on 12/02/2011 4:34:41 AM PST by samtheman
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To: cinciella

If you’ve visited the many posts I’ve made on Gov. Perry where I good naturedly took hits from posters who had someone else they supported — and responded with information and links, you might not feel the need to personally attack me.

I feel that grabbing onto Newt is a dangerous path and I will say it.


42 posted on 12/02/2011 4:37:09 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Berlin_Freeper
...But if I recall correctly... Cincinatus’ Wife was just as big a Romney 2008 supporter as she now is a Perry 2012 supporter....

WELL, you're wrong. And since you can't defend Newt you have decided to impugn me.

43 posted on 12/02/2011 4:39:15 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: nathanbedford

As a Perry supporter, I have to say that I love your well-reasoned post. I have been adamantly against Cain and don’t get why he had so much support here. I think Rick Perry is totally underestimated as the true conservative I believe him to be. That being said, all of us, no matter which candidate we support, need a Plan B. I would say Newt would fit that bill. He’s not afraid to take on the media, he will skewer obama in the debates and he has the leadership qualities we desperately need.


44 posted on 12/02/2011 4:50:17 AM PST by jersey117
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To: nathanbedford

Newt Gingrich is not Winston Churchill but he might just be Margaret Thatcher.

I think he’s more like HW Bush. After him, the country will turn to another Clinton.


45 posted on 12/02/2011 4:59:11 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I never got on the Cain train.

I went from Palin, to Perry, to WTF am I gonna do, to, finally, Newt.

(I have never stopped supporting and even loving Sarah Palin, but she’s not running, and as an adult I accept that.)

As for your other questions, I think they are basically irrelevant given the fact that you personally have changed so much.

Remember the Cincinatus’ Wife you used to be? A series of positive posts about your chosen candidate, Perry.

What are you doing now? Attacking a front-runner just because he’s the front-runner.

What does that make you. It makes you one of THEM. The same THEM who pilloried Perry with unreasonable attacks just because he was the front runner.

You want to be one of THEM?

My only thought is, and I sincerely apologize in advance if I am wrong, is that you are paid by the Perry campaign.

That would be one explanation for your change in character.

If that’s the case, I can respect that, given the current state of our economy. But I don’t respect that you don’t admit to it, if it is indeed the case.

If it’s not the case, then you I think an explanation for your “change” is forthcoming.

I think you owe us that.


46 posted on 12/02/2011 4:59:57 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman

My sole argument against Perry is his absolute unelectability.

My argument for Perry is the absolute unacceptability of Newt and Mitt.


47 posted on 12/02/2011 5:04:21 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I want to remind you of an article you posted a few days ago. You praised Perry for not attacking other candidates. Also, Perry showed admiration for Newt in saying a perfect running mate would be a combination of Herman and Newt.So if RP were to be the nominee and he chose Newt as a running mate, how much dammage have you done so far running down Newt. Take a page out of the Perry playbook and quit knocking the canditate Perry might just pick for a running mate.


48 posted on 12/02/2011 5:06:43 AM PST by eastforker (I'll pick Rick but I still root for Newt.)
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To: samtheman
What are you doing now? Attacking a front-runner just because he’s the front-runner.

That makes no sense. I am posting about Newt because he is BIG trouble and he isn't the GOP savior! Somehow you have morphed that into my attacking him because he's leading in the polls. So now I'm one of "THEM?" And you go on to imply I'm PAID by Perry's campaign. I'M NOT! Nor am I associated with any political group promoting a candidate -- so I'll accept your apology.

Cute how now I have to defend myself against unfounded accusations of working for Romney, working for Perry, and having "changed" because I don't want Newt wielding the power of the executive branch -- he's a flake!

49 posted on 12/02/2011 5:08:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: eastforker

I see this has turned into a anti- CW-Perry thread so as to avoid addressing the obvious Newt problems pointed out in the article.

As to your admonishment directed toward me, Rick Perry would not tap Newt for the VP slot. I would be shocked if he did.


50 posted on 12/02/2011 5:12:11 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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