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Romney Declines Lincoln-Douglas Debate Against Gingrich
Real Clear Policitcs ^ | 12/2/2011 | Erin McPike

Posted on 12/02/2011 11:36:29 AM PST by Notwithstanding

With the Republican presidential primary appearing to have narrowed into a two-man contest, Human Events and Red State moved quickly to lock down a date for a Lincoln-Douglas-style debate between Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich.

The two organizations went so far this past Monday as to firm up the Annenberg Theater at the Newseum in Washington as the venue on Dec. 19 after another debate originally scheduled that day was canceled. For its part, the Newseum was excited to host the pre-primary forum.

There was just one problem. While Gingrich was ready to take his place on the stage, the Romney campaign politely declined in a series of mostly e-mail exchanges.

As Joe Guerriero, a Human Events editor, put it to RCP: “Newt was all over it, and the Romney camp basically said no. It wasn’t a harsh no, but it was a no.”

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To: katiedidit1

Newt’s past transgressions are history.

It’s never the case in politics, people will smear you with your past acts, regardless of how long ago they were. Obama can already boast of only marrying Michelle. He can also emphasize that Newt has close to nothing in substance past his words to pro-family causes. If transgressions were history, Cain wouldn’t be charged with anything. In politics, they have no limit as to how deep they will dig on you.

The jewelry he bought Calista was paid for with HIS own money..that is his business.

Some things may very well have been bought with his own money, however, he didn’t stand up to charges of corruption, rather he paid off 300,000 and resigned from being Speaker of the House. Not facing up or standing trial to a charge, regardless of whether or not you truly are guilty, raises suspicion of guilt. Obama will, unless he is more foolish than I give him credit for, mention the fact that Newt didn’t face up to the charges, and is likely guilty for ethics violations because he didn’t accept a trial for it, but paid off instead. Obama will also hammer Newt with the fact that Newt should have shown up with nothing to fear if he was innocent, or how should a man who can’t man up to his own charges, and not take responsibility, be placed in a position to veto or sign bills which incur costs on America. If there’s anything Obama does do, he can sling mud. He did it in Chicago, he danced on John McCain, and he can do it on Gingrich, especially for his reckless fiscal behavior, and especially because he can make the demoralizing statement that we selected a man who had three marriages, about a decade or two a pop, and is probably about to start number four. I do love and accept Gingrich’s repentance as a fellow human being, but I do not need to condone him through my vote, to a higher office than he has previously held, when his tendencies for holding political power are terrible, he just doesn’t belong in the oval office. As for corruption, and a bonus to add, he accepted money 1.8 million from Fannie Mae, which raises questions about how willing he could be to face up to whatever is corrupt. Anyways, my concern now is more for congress, just because the presidency is practically screwed.


101 posted on 12/02/2011 4:59:30 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: heiss

Wow, Kerry crushed Newt, who would have thought? No wonder Newt didn’t get the nomination for the past two elections!!!


102 posted on 12/02/2011 5:01:30 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Notwithstanding
Was this a Newt initiative or a turd party effort? I could be wrong but I never heard Newt challenge Romney to such a debate.

He would have little to gain since he will swamp Romney by primary time.

103 posted on 12/02/2011 5:04:28 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Morpheus2009

Newt had 3 consulting firms. He earned his money legally and broke no laws. The amount he received was over a period of years and he had over 30 people working for him. This was all explained earlier. also, on his site..After leaving public office, Newt Gingrich founded a number of very successful small businesses. One of these small businesses, a consulting firm called The Gingrich Group, offered strategic advice on a wide variety of topics to a very wide range of clients. One of these clients was Freddie Mac. At no time did Gingrich lobby for Freddie Mac, or for any client, and neither did anyone in Gingrich’s firm. This prohibition against lobbying was made clear to all Gingrich Group clients. Nor did Gingrich ever advocate against pending legislation affecting Freddie Mac, as some articles have incorrectly alleged. In fact, recent reporting from Bloomberg News on the Gingrich Group’s consulting services for Freddie Mac confirms that Gingrich and his firm were not paid to lobby and that Gingrich never acted as an advocate to stop any legislation or regulation affecting Freddie Mac.

Newt is in favor of efforts to increase home ownership in America but as a conservative believes they must be within a context of learning how to budget and save in a responsible way, the opposite of the lending practices that led to the financial crisis. You can watch a video from March 2008 of Newt warning about the danger of politicized decision making in the housing crisis here.

As part of Newt’s Jobs and Prosperity Plan, Newt advocates breaking up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and moving their smaller successors off of government guarantees and into the free market.


104 posted on 12/02/2011 5:06:29 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

8 days till the next debate!!!

Uh, there’s one tomorrow night on FOX.

Mike Huckabee Presidential Forum
8pm ET on Fox News
Location: Fox News Headquarters in New York City
Sponsor: Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and Fox News
Participants: Romney, Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum, Paul all confirmed. Cain, Huntsman unconfirmed.


105 posted on 12/02/2011 5:08:41 PM PST by Raebie (WS)
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To: ridesthemiles
I don't know how smart Romney really is, but he wasn't smart enough to avoid having his head handed to him by the senile rino mental cripple in 2008.
106 posted on 12/02/2011 5:10:03 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Notwithstanding
I don’t think that caricature of W was fair,..

I didn't either, at the time. With the passage of time I now believe the worst things said about W were downright softballs.

107 posted on 12/02/2011 5:15:30 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Tennessee Nana

Newt and Romney are both worthless RINOs.


108 posted on 12/02/2011 5:21:02 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: Raebie

Thanks!


109 posted on 12/02/2011 5:29:38 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

YW! Can’t wait! Odds on Cain participating? Here’s the whole schedule...

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2011-2012-primary-debate-schedule/


110 posted on 12/02/2011 5:32:49 PM PST by Raebie (WS)
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To: South40

‘Newt and Romney are both worthless RINOs.’

There’s no excuse for ignorance at this stage of the game. Read and learn.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2815463/posts


111 posted on 12/02/2011 5:37:26 PM PST by Raebie (WS)
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To: BigEdLB

Did SOMEone say SALAMANDER??

“A being that is able to live in fire is a good approximation of the description Joseph Smith gave of the Angel Moroni

... the use of the words white salamander and old spirit seem understandable. - Dallin Oaks - Patron Latter-day Saint of the Salamander Society

http://salamandersociety.com/


112 posted on 12/02/2011 5:52:35 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana
A good, Temple Worthy® MORMON would be WEARING his GARMENT at ALL times!


GOOD Mormons are Temple Worthy - they pass this test EVERY year:


Temple Recommend Questions



1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
 

 

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1. The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
4. nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
3. If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4. he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5. and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

113 posted on 12/02/2011 5:57:37 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Raebie
You're right. But there are a whole lot of ignorant RINO supporters.

Read and learn.

Anything less than requiring people who are working here illegally to return home to apply for a worker visa is amnesty.
~Newt Gingrich 2006

I am for a path to legality for those people whose ties are so deeply into America that it would truly be tragic to try and rip their family apart."
~Newt Gingrich 2011

It should also be mentioned that advocates of amnesty should not be taken seriously if they claim to be also in favor of tougher border control. It is simply not credible that advocates of amnesty will be reliably tough on controlling the borders. ~Newt Gingrich 2006

http://aei.org/files/2006/04/26/20060428_PATRIOTICIMMIGRATION.pdf

114 posted on 12/02/2011 6:03:49 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: Raebie

I am saving that:))) appreciate the link!!!


115 posted on 12/02/2011 6:26:35 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Notwithstanding

116 posted on 12/02/2011 6:58:23 PM PST by wvguy
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To: GOPyouth
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Sorry, but that dog doesn't hunt ... about Newt and divorce ...

Ever been married, and then divorced ?

Even an "easy" divorce is a BITCH ... Been there, done that ...

About the "only" good things that can come out that is an "acute" realization that "We are all sinners, way short of God's glory" ...

Occassionally, even "good" and "respectable" men and women can be complete Selfish Jerks (to put it mildly) ...

I've been there, and ONLY after years of pain, apologies, and better decisions ... do my four (4) adult children respect their dad again ...



I think that's where Newt Gingrich is now ... even his daughter seems to have vouched for his character



Mitt Romney ?

I can bet you dollars-to-doughnuts that Mrs. Romney wishes that her ARROGANT HUSBAND would have learned from their 2008 failed campaign ... including MILLIONS spent on Mitt's EGO ... that Mitt Romney would just get over it ...

Mitt Romney may have NEVER committed Adultery with another Woman during his long marriage ...

Except the Seductive Whore known as "Political Fame and Glory" ...



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117 posted on 12/02/2011 10:14:14 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: katiedidit1

katie..I don’t think it’s Romney’s afraid....he simply knows he hasn’t a chance against Newt in that style of a debate. Romeny NEEDS a moderator he can manipulate as well as the press and he knows that all to well.

Romney hasn’t done a thing since the debates began except be in “cruise” control...and I think he’ll continue to do just that all the way to the end...he’s letting his handlers nationwide behind the scenes do ALL the heavy lifting , and the media powerheads who have “power” to shape the debates in Romney;s favor.... and that you can be certain they are doing.


118 posted on 12/02/2011 10:54:30 PM PST by caww
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To: GOPyouth

And Newt can swing it around towards lying and Mitt will be shot down. One can’t appear ‘self righteous’ very well while speaking with fork tongue wearing flip flops.


119 posted on 12/02/2011 11:24:38 PM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job)
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To: GOPyouth
Newt's support of the federal government forcing me to buy something. Newt had absolutely no response to it.

Oh, yes he did - he said you didn't get it from me but Heritage. I'd say what difference does it make what I say - I wasn't the governor of a state. You should have gone deeper into it and did your own homework. Your way doesn't sound like leadership to me.
120 posted on 12/02/2011 11:38:25 PM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job)
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To: Notwithstanding
Yes she would make a good candidate in the general. Only someone who bought the media's propaganda/lie would think like that.
121 posted on 12/02/2011 11:44:20 PM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job)
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To: Morpheus2009
Obama will pound Gingrich as unfit to be president

Think of what you said - you really think obama could pound anyone on being unfit? LOL! After Newt comments - barry will be angry at his teleprompter for telling him to say that.

his reckless spending tendencies

Another hot issue barry can't go near unless he enjoys being put in his place. What kind of perception do you have of Barry? Clearly, it's not one of reality.
122 posted on 12/02/2011 11:53:33 PM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job)
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To: babygene

Do you know why they wear special underwear? Is that lace on the hem?


123 posted on 12/02/2011 11:58:20 PM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job)
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To: Mustang Driver
"OK. Then how about a Mr. Haney-Mr. Douglas debate?"

That would be TERRIFIC! Well, not exactly terrific. It would be splendid. No, wait....Splenda is what I put in my coffee. I used to use Sugar but my doctor said I should switch.

What was the question again?

Hank

124 posted on 12/03/2011 12:08:26 AM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball (Screw it. Newt's the smartest candidate and the guy I want to see debating Obummer. Flame away. Num)
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To: Morpheus2009
regardless of whether or not you truly are guilty, raises suspicion of guilt

Wrong. When someone is out to get you - he knows the game. And the smart ones know enough not to fight. The smart ones pick their battles. Everyone knows that - why don't you? Your obsession of Newt is over board; thus you fail at credibility.

just because the presidency is practically screwed.

And it goes hand in hand with your defeatist attitude. No one wants to hear from a loser mentality.
125 posted on 12/03/2011 12:10:24 AM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job)
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To: caww
I agree. He tells us what we need and what he will do - close the border. LOL! Both Perry and Newt explained how they would do - because the whole border isn't the same. Mitt has yet to do that. I think those debates with Newt he would have to - not a blurb on what he will do - or tell us we need to create jobs - DUH! - and he's the man to do it. LOL! Tell us Dick Tracey - how will you do it - in detail. He doesn't care - he just wants to be president. And with the most money and with the media behind him - he's trailing Newt and Cain nipping at his heels. Both facing accusations of one kind or another and both not having a big war chest. Mitt, no mud slung at him, all the money and media protection.
126 posted on 12/03/2011 12:22:19 AM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball
What was the question again?

The question is - why do you use Splenda when there is Stevia?
127 posted on 12/03/2011 12:34:51 AM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

Boy Im slow...

the 2nd read was necessary...

Willie Mitty would say
“I get allergic to smelly hay”


128 posted on 12/03/2011 1:56:00 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Notwithstanding

Sarah had the chance to stand in the spotlight and change the image the MSM painted her as. Had she done well at the debates it could well have turned the perception of her around. Hell, look at Newt... She decided to sit it out so the MSM image remains unchallenged...


129 posted on 12/03/2011 3:46:59 AM PST by DB
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To: Patton@Bastogne
Mitt Romney may have NEVER committed Adultery with another Woman during his long marriage ...

But I tell you....

... that whosoever LOOKS at a woman...

... with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.




Matthew 5:28

130 posted on 12/03/2011 5:36:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: restornu
One can’t appear ‘self righteous’ very well while speaking with fork tongue wearing flip flops.

You MAY want to jump in here and defend...

131 posted on 12/03/2011 5:38:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: presently no screen name
Do you know why they wear special underwear?

That's SIMPLE!

Just go to LDS.org and click on Scriptures and then search for...





Oh...

Wait...

132 posted on 12/03/2011 5:41:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana
The chores...




133 posted on 12/03/2011 5:44:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Actually; that is last years feed trough. It’s been modified to hold about 5-6 days worth of food; gravity fed.


134 posted on 12/03/2011 5:46:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

The stores !!!


135 posted on 12/03/2011 6:30:50 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie

Yes Elsie, there are several scriptures in the bible that would lump quite a few people into the adultery category. The one you quoted came out during Jimmy Carter’s presidency.


136 posted on 12/03/2011 6:48:00 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1; Elsie

Elsie: But I tell you....

... that whosoever LOOKS at a woman...

... with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Matthew 5:28
_________________________________________

About scriptures in the Bible pertaining to adultery..

Actually Katie

That one Elsie quoted came out during The LORD Jesaus Christ’s residency here on Earth...


137 posted on 12/03/2011 7:22:48 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Notwithstanding

I can’t believe people here think Newt is better than Romney.

Newt is the anti-Tea Party candidate. So what’s the real agenda?


138 posted on 12/03/2011 7:23:11 AM PST by dervish (female candidates: the last frontier)
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To: Notwithstanding
Yes - he is very wise to let people wonder whether he would get stomped in a debate against Gingrich than to actually participate and get stomped!
Exactly. Better to be thought to be an air-head than to debate and prove it so.
139 posted on 12/03/2011 7:32:43 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
If Newt gets the nomination, he will get the same response from Obama.
Newt already laid out a strategy to deal with that... a strategy that probably wouldn't be such a good idea against Romney.
140 posted on 12/03/2011 7:40:04 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
If Newt gets the nomination, he will get the same response from Obama.
Newt already laid out a strategy to deal with that... a strategy that probably wouldn't be such a good idea against Romney.
141 posted on 12/03/2011 7:40:18 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Gaffer
Gingrich will never get the chance, in ANY debate with Romney or Obama.
Wrong. Newt has a strategy that will work against Obama... probably not so useable against Romney.
142 posted on 12/03/2011 7:42:31 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman

I know his strategy....follow and hound him until he relents...hardly a tactic to be used against a Muslim that has no honor... the MSM will NEVER even report it. Think again.


143 posted on 12/03/2011 7:44:51 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

It will be part of the campaign. They have double-plus busloads of journos trailing each campaign.

They can’t not report it.

There will be 10,000 videos a day posted on youtube.

Think again.

Think at all.


144 posted on 12/03/2011 7:52:40 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Raebie
Huntsman unconfirmed
Must be a huge disappointment to his supporter(s).
145 posted on 12/03/2011 7:57:25 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Notwithstanding

Your post#39 is absolutely correct.


146 posted on 12/03/2011 7:59:05 AM PST by samtheman
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To: dervish

Newt has been endorsed by one tea party and the president of another tea party resigned his position to go to work for newt. Recent poll shows the Tea Party favors Newt


147 posted on 12/03/2011 8:25:59 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: samtheman

Dream on. You have an optimistic view of an information industry hell-bent on thwarting everything you hold dear. You Tube, “journos”, et al will be silent. And, those that do make it on the web will be little viewed and not reported main stream.


148 posted on 12/03/2011 8:26:58 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

You dream on. You’re putting them way high on a pedestal. The situation in a general election is in no one’s total control.

One of the reasons I support Newt is he is the only one who can take on the MSM.

You choose to bet on the MSM.

I choose to bet on our side.

I think I’ve got the better bet.


149 posted on 12/03/2011 8:37:10 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman

Look, delude yourself all you want to. It will take time to tell, but you’d better prepare yourself of a less than stellar coverage of Newt’s grand tactic.


150 posted on 12/03/2011 8:40:25 AM PST by Gaffer
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