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Issa says Holder ouster is up to White House
The Washington Times ^ | Friday, December 2, 2011 | Chuck Neubauer

Posted on 12/02/2011 5:42:28 PM PST by DaveTesla

Rep. Darrell Issa, who has been investigating the Fast and Furious operation for nearly a year, declined on Friday to call for Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to resign over the botched undercover probe that led to hundreds of weapons being “walked” to gun smugglers in Mexico.

Mr. Issa, California Republican, said the operation is not about Mr. Holder or Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, the head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, both of whom he has criticized strongly over their handling of the failed Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive’s (ATF) investigation.

“It is not about one person,” said Mr. Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, during a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

“It is about a failure that seems to be pervasive within Justice that investigations play fast and loose with the expectations of what is right or wrong when it comes to what I am going to call collateral damage,” he said.

In addition to as many as 1,400 weapons that found their way into Mexico, other guns — including AK-47 semi-automatic assault rifles — have been found at crimes scenes, including two at the site of the shooting death of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry, killed during a gunfight with Mexicans just north of the border near Nogales, Ariz.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aft; banglist; castaway; cia; clinton; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gopcowards; gunrunner; gunwalker; hillary; hillaryclinton; holder; ice; issa; murder; obama; statedept
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The NEW GOP MASCOT:


I am neuuuuuutered...
Baaaaaa...

1 posted on 12/02/2011 5:42:33 PM PST by DaveTesla
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To: DaveTesla
"said Mr. Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, during a breakfast hosted by the Christian Communist Science Monitor."

Baaaaaaaa...

2 posted on 12/02/2011 5:45:19 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Thread added to the banglist.

Everyone involved belongs in prison, no scratch that, should get a free blindfold and cig on their way to the wall.


3 posted on 12/02/2011 5:48:00 PM PST by SirLurkedalot (I'm toning it down as much as I can.)
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To: DaveTesla

The corruption never ends.


4 posted on 12/02/2011 5:48:46 PM PST by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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To: DaveTesla

Issa response was friday morning, and the document dump was later friday afternoon. Say goodbye to the dick holder.


5 posted on 12/02/2011 5:49:02 PM PST by biggredd1
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To: DaveTesla

It was not freaking BOTCHED! It went exactly as they planned it, until they got caught. This needs to be shouted from the moutaintops. Holder should be doing prison time.


6 posted on 12/02/2011 5:49:31 PM PST by thoolou ("I may have invented it, but Bill made it famous." - David Bradley, inventor of Ctrl-Alt-Del)
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To: DaveTesla
One needs to lay the blame where it belongs.

This is a smooth move by a (sometimes) bad actor.

7 posted on 12/02/2011 5:49:31 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: DaveTesla

http://barracknow.blogspot.com/2011/12/why-issas-refusal-to-call-for-holder.html


8 posted on 12/02/2011 5:49:43 PM PST by Ben Barrack (Let's Talk About Something Important!)
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To: DaveTesla

Yep, after all Issa’s talk, I thought we would get some tough action from him regards the Administration. With ‘pubbies like these, we don’t need eunuchs.


9 posted on 12/02/2011 5:49:43 PM PST by izzatzo ( Anybody but Obamney and Huntsman. Cain looks better and better.)
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To: DaveTesla

So that’s it? Issa investigates and investigates, and in the end he won’t even *recommend* that Holder step down?

If I read this right, anticlimactic is an understatement.


10 posted on 12/02/2011 5:50:03 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: izzatzo

Issa is the point man in this whole investigation. The Democrats are already trying to say he has no interest in Wide Receiver while going full boar on Fast and Furious.

If Issa called on Holder to resign just days before the former is set to grill the latter, cries of partisanship would be deafening.

It would be FOOOLISH for Issa to call on Holder to resign right now.

Perhaps you should get on all those other congressmen / senators who aren’t on the list yet.


11 posted on 12/02/2011 5:53:07 PM PST by Ben Barrack (Let's Talk About Something Important!)
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To: DaveTesla
So, Obama jets off to Hawaii for 17 days on the eve of a Friday night document dump by the Justice Department, while Issa says that Holder's ouster is Obama's call.

Betcha Holder won't be able to get a single Dem on Capitol Hill to return his calls this weekend. They hear the bus coming.

12 posted on 12/02/2011 5:54:05 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Fantasywriter

...and all these political morons wonder why people are generally fed-up?


13 posted on 12/02/2011 5:54:31 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Ben Barrack

I’m not holding my breath..


14 posted on 12/02/2011 5:55:17 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

I guess the enveloped arrived.


15 posted on 12/02/2011 5:55:36 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: DaveTesla

IssaWuss


16 posted on 12/02/2011 5:56:42 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: SirLurkedalot
You got that right.....

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.

Thomas Sowell

17 posted on 12/02/2011 5:56:42 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Elections have consequences....)
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To: DaveTesla

I am amazed and yet not surprised that these testicle-less repubs can’t even prosecute a crime. Boner....McChinless..Cantor the cantdo........They were given an amazing victory in 2010 and they are scared like bunny rabbits that the nyt will talk bad about them. How the heck much do conservatives have to do to keep the rino republican party afloat? You may disagree with me about the weather in denmark, but these turds have to go. Where the heck is the cut-off of money to obamacare? They keep paying.


18 posted on 12/02/2011 5:56:45 PM PST by mirkwood
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To: samadams2000
“I guess the enveloped arrived.”

The question is,
did the envelope contain money or pictures???

19 posted on 12/02/2011 5:57:50 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

I’ll supply the rail. Who’s got some tar and feathers?


20 posted on 12/02/2011 5:58:27 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: hal ogen

This is why any outsider who runs for POTUS will be destroyed. The Insiders/Establishment can only work w other insiders who know how ‘business’ in DC is conducted. If an outsider runs, the other party will tear him or her to shreds while their own party stands silently by, secretly cheering them on.


21 posted on 12/02/2011 5:58:50 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: DaveTesla

Time to start writing down names and ferreting out addresses...ya know...to send Christmas cards.....


22 posted on 12/02/2011 5:59:13 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: DaveTesla

They may as well have put Issa in a basement somewhere and let him play video games.

As Bush would say, he’s “all hat, no cattle”


23 posted on 12/02/2011 5:59:56 PM PST by bigbob
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To: mirkwood

FBI is part of the Justice Department.

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Holder operatives in the Bureau dug up some blackmail-worthy dirt on Issa.


24 posted on 12/02/2011 6:00:34 PM PST by WeatherGuy
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To: muddler

I think he got an offer he could not refuse..we have lost our country and no longer can hold elected folks accountable..


25 posted on 12/02/2011 6:00:40 PM PST by aces
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To: DaveTesla
“It is not about one person,”...

Right, it's about the regime.

26 posted on 12/02/2011 6:00:56 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: DaveTesla
This is a viable campaign issue. We'll see how well Obama likes Holder (who is actually a Clintonista).

I think Issa should continue to grill the Untermenschen at Justice and ATF just to see if one of them has something that would nail Obama himself.

27 posted on 12/02/2011 6:01:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: B.O. Plenty

I will not submit.


28 posted on 12/02/2011 6:05:41 PM PST by SirLurkedalot (I'm toning it down as much as I can.)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

Issa FOLDING?????????????


29 posted on 12/02/2011 6:06:18 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Ben Barrack

Thank you for your post.

Why let Hillary, Janet and Barry throw Holder under the bus and drive off?


30 posted on 12/02/2011 6:08:36 PM PST by digger48
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To: SirLurkedalot

Hell hath no fury like a country scorned.
Fury does not begin to describe it.


31 posted on 12/02/2011 6:10:38 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: DaveTesla

“The NEW GOP MASCOT:”

This is so sad, I want to cry.......


32 posted on 12/02/2011 6:12:04 PM PST by cameraeye (A happy kuffir!)
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To: cameraeye
Don't you want to win the Presidency and the Senate next November?

This is much better as a campaign issue NOW. We win we can prosecute and hang later.

33 posted on 12/02/2011 6:22:07 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: MestaMachine

I have no words that truly express my anger and frustration over where this country is headed.


34 posted on 12/02/2011 6:26:15 PM PST by SirLurkedalot (I'm toning it down as much as I can.)
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To: DaveTesla

Holder should have been fired after the his first day on the job when he indicted the American public as “a nation of cowards.” Barry still finds Holder faultless, which is why neither of them are up to the task of public office.


35 posted on 12/02/2011 6:27:32 PM PST by purplelobster
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To: MestaMachine

Issa FOLDING?????????????

At the least, I think Issa has planned not to go after Holder or Obama.

In this or one of those other articles on Drudge, Issa implied that he’ll go after the cover-up....

BUT now that Holder has “fomerly” withdrawn his “misleading and inaccurate” letter & dumped 1300pgs into Congress’ collective lap on the “deliberative process” that led to Holder’s creation of that “misleading” letter, I suspect that discussions are going on about what Holder has to do to keep from being indicted.

Did you also notice this sentence:

“He said ATF needs to be reorganized and, perhaps, the agency should be “molded into the FBI” as special unit.”


36 posted on 12/02/2011 6:30:47 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

“He said ATF needs to be reorganized and, perhaps, the agency should be “molded into the FBI” as special unit.”

WEASEL WORDS! The fbi was involved in this up to its eyeballs and is at least partially responsible for Brian Terry’s death.
We are witnessing the death of all honor in this government.
Trust?
Trust WHO? WHERE? WHEN? WHY?
More importantly, HOW???


37 posted on 12/02/2011 6:40:14 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: thouworm
Hmm, kind of a K-9 unit ~ NO GUNS.

Bwahahahaha!

Seriously, understatement is best at this time. Why tell the enemy everything you're going to do to them.

38 posted on 12/02/2011 6:40:21 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: DaveTesla

Drag this investigation out until four weeks before the election, and then drop the treason and murder charges against obuma and holder.


39 posted on 12/02/2011 6:41:15 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Windflier

It seems that is quite a coincidental timing to take a vacation. Would I be too forward in guessing that Obama is distancing himself, while Holder is getting ready to resign?


40 posted on 12/02/2011 6:46:36 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: MestaMachine

Not everything is as it seems.

I get the feeling Issa is not folding, but simply continuing to play his hand.


41 posted on 12/02/2011 6:49:48 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: thouworm

Holder is suppose to testify before the House Judiciary Committee on Dec. 8, probably why this letter was dumped today.


42 posted on 12/02/2011 6:50:26 PM PST by opentalk
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To: MestaMachine

“The fbi was involved in this up to its eyeballs and is at least partially responsible for Brian Terry’s death.”

Not only that, but I just read this tonight. It is taken from Ann Barnhardt’s blog. I have broken up into paragraphs for easier reading.

She has been giving a series of alternative radio interviews (not for the faint of heart) and has been turning down all MSM TV & most MSM radio requests to be interviewed about her “going galt” and closing her brokerage after the collapse of MF Global.

Below is a comment sent to her at her blog from a former FBI agent.

Ann,

I just listened to your interview on financial sense. I am a retired FBI White Collar Crime Supervisor who supervised a Securities Fraud Desk, in the {city name redacted} Division, prior to retiring in {year redacted}. Your analysis of the CME, the Obama Administration, and the sad state of our republic is right on the money.

In addition, your 8(a) minority, affirmative action hire comment could not be more true. The effectiveness of federal law enforcement has been jeopardized by the politically correct hiring practices ongoing since George Herbert Walker Bush was elected President in 1988. My squad was responsible for the investigation of complex, white collar crime investigations (primarily securities fraud and corporate fraud).

My career in the FBI spanned 24 years in five field divisions including New York, and FBI Headquarters. When I began my career, hires and promotion were merit based. The quality of agents working complex white collar crime investigations was high, most having worked for big eight accounting firms or brokerage houses prior to hire by the FBI. By the time I retired, minority and female agents were being assigned to my squad with no pertinent qualifications, and no apparent talent, dedication, work ethic or experience.

As a result, senior agents had to double up on complex investigations, and my minimum threshold for initiating investigation was dramatically increased to assure the greatest offenders were addressed adequately. Needless to say, cases that should have been addressed were no longer addressed due to the lack of qualified agents capable of successfully investigating and taking through trial, complex white collar crime cases.

After 9.11 the FBI all but abandoned complex criminal investigations, and transformed itself from the premier law enforcement agency in the world to a fourth rate domestic spy agency more concerned with violating citizens constitutional rights in the name of “protecting the general public from terrorism” than in completing its primary mission, enforcing Title 18 of the US Criminal Code.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2815436/posts


43 posted on 12/02/2011 6:53:16 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Jonty30; Windflier

Obama isn’t leaving for Hawaii vacation until the 17th. Back on Jan 2.


44 posted on 12/02/2011 6:55:12 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: MestaMachine
Issa FOLDING?????????????

I don't think so, I think he is playing rope a dope. And throwing it not the usurpers hands. saying "You appointed him, you deal with it, but understood this, he is a campaign issue."

45 posted on 12/02/2011 6:57:14 PM PST by JakeS (This would be a good time to read John chapter three 1-21)
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To: thouworm

That only gives Issa more time to sift through the documents.


46 posted on 12/02/2011 6:58:40 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: DaveTesla

LOl, nutless wonder GOP.


47 posted on 12/02/2011 6:59:59 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: thouworm
Obama isn’t leaving for Hawaii vacation until the 17th.

Ah...you're right. I plead synaptic overload ;-)

Expect him to find any excuse to skip town this weekend, and maybe most of next week. Holder needs to stay away from moving buses for a while.

48 posted on 12/02/2011 7:03:29 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: opentalk; MestaMachine

“Holder is suppose to testify before the House Judiciary Committee on Dec. 8, probably why this letter was dumped today.”

I think so. He was already nailed on the false statements in that letter, so he formerly withdrew his “misleading” letter and sent over the doc dump today to weasel out of the false statements and explain how that letter got full of misleading statements (LOL)...

thus changing the subject, and giving the committee 5 whole days (lot of people will be burning the weekend oil) to prepare for the hearing.


49 posted on 12/02/2011 7:05:32 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Windflier

However, you were close on an Obama motive...:-)

President Barack Obama suggested Friday that Congress may not enjoy a long holiday break if the House and Senate have not passed an extension of the payroll-tax cut. “We need to get this done. And I expect that it’s going to get done before Congress leaves. Otherwise, Congress may not be leaving and we can all spend Christmas here together,” Obama said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2815337/posts


50 posted on 12/02/2011 7:11:11 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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