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The National Defense Authorization Act is Scary
Business Insider ^ | December 2nd, 2011 | David Seaman

Posted on 12/02/2011 9:27:37 PM PST by semaj

Fellow entrepreneurs, Americans, anyone who still cares about this country at all – this is a must read.

By the end of next week, the US government very likely will have the power to lock up US citizens for life at Guantanamo Bay or other military prisons -- without charge and without trial.

This means that, in the near future, a controversial Twitter post, attending a peaceful protest, or publishing an anti-Congress critique or anti-TSA rant on Google+ could land you "indefinite detention" for life, in the wording of the bill. No access to a lawyer, no access to trial.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-new-national-defense-authorization-act-is-ridiculously-scary-2011-11#ixzz1fRgiFbKt

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; corruption; freedom; threat; tyranny
Friends, countrymen, the time for talk is coming to an end. The usurper, aided by the traitors in our midst are placing the finishing touches on the mechanisms that will be used to completely enthrall and enslave and us. It is time, and the only question I have is; are there any Americans left?
1 posted on 12/02/2011 9:27:52 PM PST by semaj
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To: semaj

It is time, and the only question I have is; are there any Americans left?


Are there going to be enough Americans left?


2 posted on 12/02/2011 9:33:58 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: semaj

Relax, when Bush was in office, most folks here would be all for it....


3 posted on 12/02/2011 9:37:11 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KoRn

Thanks for putting everyting in perspective, not.


4 posted on 12/02/2011 9:41:02 PM PST by semaj
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To: KoRn

The problem with that rationale is the supposition that FReepers generally trust Obama.


5 posted on 12/02/2011 9:47:52 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: semaj

And this has changed “reality”, how ? The USG has had - dating back to the Thirties - these “powers” ! >PS


6 posted on 12/02/2011 9:51:24 PM PST by PiperShade
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To: semaj

I suggest everyone do some research into what Andrew McCarthy is saying about this....I don’t think this is what people MAY think it is.


7 posted on 12/02/2011 9:56:56 PM PST by goodnesswins (Bad planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine....)
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To: semaj

The House did not pass this. The Senate did.


8 posted on 12/02/2011 10:05:37 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: semaj

Hmmmm

3 hots and a cot

free cable

conjugal visits


9 posted on 12/02/2011 10:54:18 PM PST by onona (FR is continuing education)
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To: semaj

Another scary thing is that Levin (D) and McCain (R) put this together in secret without hearings and the Senate voted to accept it (SB 1867).


10 posted on 12/02/2011 11:12:28 PM PST by charlie72
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To: onona
Hmmmm 3 hots and a cot free cable conjugal visits

Care to explain your cryptic comments, or are you the coward I presume you to be?

11 posted on 12/02/2011 11:41:39 PM PST by semaj
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To: goodnesswins
"I suggest everyone do some research into what Andrew McCarthy is saying about this....I don’t think this is what people MAY think it is."

I am not concerned as to what it might be, but what it might become, that is to say free license to round up and imprison dissenters without due process. Right now it appears to be targeted only to known terrorist actively engaged in plotting and carryikng out attacks against our armed forces. If the US is now to be designated a battlefield, why have we not sealed our borders and rounded up and interred every last potential jihadi?

12 posted on 12/03/2011 12:00:50 AM PST by semaj
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To: goodnesswins

indefinite .....THERE IS NO NEED FOR THIS. IT SHOULD BE 5 YEARS MAX. IT GOES AGAINST THE 6TH AMENDMENT.


13 posted on 12/03/2011 12:56:15 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: semaj

I basically don’t like this, but I have a mixed reaction. For years we have been handing out US “citizenship” like prizes in a Cracker Jack box.

For a lot of these “citizens” swept into the country, citizenship means nothing more than a whack at the pinata. So when they are rounded up, I feel no grief.

However, I was recently X-rayed at the airport, after which I was patted down. So I can easily imagine what lies ahead for us all.


14 posted on 12/03/2011 3:45:15 AM PST by Malesherbes (- Sauve qui peut)
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To: semaj

“Care to explain your cryptic comments, or are you the coward I presume you to be?”

Geez, I took it as a sarcastic dig at the treatmrnt REAL enemies of this nation are accorded.


15 posted on 12/03/2011 3:58:39 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Malesherbes
I basically don’t like this, but I have a mixed reaction. For years we have been handing out US “citizenship” like prizes in a Cracker Jack box. For a lot of these “citizens” swept into the country, citizenship means nothing more than a whack at the pinata. So when they are rounded up, I feel no grief.

What makes you think this will be used to control illegals? Being illegal, I can assume the current folks in power would make them exempt - only real citizens will be targetted.

16 posted on 12/03/2011 4:45:54 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: freekitty
The House did not pass this. The Senate did.

The house passed its own version ... they are now reconciling the TWO bills.

17 posted on 12/03/2011 5:23:37 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

I read yesterday that Rand Paul got this defeated in the Senate did something change?


18 posted on 12/03/2011 5:28:51 AM PST by jpsb
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

And you can bet the farm that the reconciled Bill will not be good for us. “For us” being those that love and appreciate the freedoms we have and want to make our own decisions on how we live our lives. “Us” also includes those who desire that the Government only perform its God ordained responsibilities, [to wit] The protection of its citizens from criminals ahd other agressor Nations.


19 posted on 12/03/2011 5:35:09 AM PST by sport
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

I thought Rand Paul stopped it.


20 posted on 12/03/2011 5:40:57 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: TalBlack

Me too. Except omona forgot to add daily prison rape to the list.


21 posted on 12/03/2011 5:41:41 AM PST by nixonsnose (Let's see all you lawyers argue your way out of hell.)
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To: unkus

Prediction:

Riots in USA Sept.thru Nov. 2011

National Martial Law invoked by POTUS

Suspension of Nov. 2012 election


22 posted on 12/03/2011 5:57:24 AM PST by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: Lionheartusa1

Post 22

CORRECTION ,,,,, Sept. thru Nov. 2012


23 posted on 12/03/2011 5:58:43 AM PST by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: KoRn

>>Relax,<<

Unfortunately, this is how we got to this point. Too many not paying attention.

Over the last couple of decades, we’ve seen an alarming erosion of personal liberty in this country.

Our government is too big, too expensive, too intrusive and too controlling.


24 posted on 12/03/2011 6:38:17 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: jpsb

Sen. Rand Paul prevented the passage of an amendment that would have further eroded Americans’ constitutional rights. Offered to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal 2012 (S.1867), amendment No. 1274 would have allowed the U.S. government to detain an American citizen indefinitely, even after they had been tried and found not guilty, until Congress declares an end to the war on terror.

“Suspicion of committing a crime should lead to your attempted prosecution. If the evidence does not support conviction, it would be against everything we believe in and fight for in America to still allow the government to imprison you at their whim,” Sen. Paul said. “Tonight, a blow was struck to fight back against those who would take our liberty.”

The amendment would have passed by voice vote, but this tactic was blocked by Sen. Paul’s objection. He then forced a roll call vote, in which the amendment was defeated, 41-59.

http://www.randpaul2010.com/2011/12/senator-paul-statement-on-defeat-of-detainee-amendment/


25 posted on 12/03/2011 7:26:36 AM PST by luckybogey
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To: semaj

I agree with everything you said! And, that’s always the rub...the FUTURE.


26 posted on 12/03/2011 7:43:34 AM PST by goodnesswins (Bad planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine....)
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To: KoRn

Relax, when Bush was in office, most folks here would be all for it....


Careful FRiend. I get in trouble for any criticism of W. I got in trouble yesterday.


27 posted on 12/03/2011 8:00:11 AM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: nixonsnose; TalBlack; semaj

Too funny.

I’ll remember to put the little smiley face at the end next time ! Or would it be the sarc tag....

Oh well, I’ll do better next time !


28 posted on 12/03/2011 3:33:09 PM PST by onona (FR is continuing education)
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