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The GOP's front runners: Bad and worse (George Will pegs Huntsman as most principled conservative).
Washington Post ^ | December 2, 2011 | George Will

Posted on 12/02/2011 9:53:00 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative

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Jon Huntsman inexplicably chose to debut as the Republican for people who rather dislike Republicans, but his program is the most conservative. He endorses Paul Ryan’s budget and entitlement reforms. (Gingrich denounced Ryan’s Medicare reform as “right-wing social engineering.”) Huntsman would privatize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (Gingrich’s benefactor). Huntsman would end double taxation on investment by eliminating taxes on capital gains and dividends. (Romney would eliminate them only for people earning less than $200,000, who currently pay just 9.3 percent of them.) Huntsman’s thorough opposition to corporate welfare includes farm subsidies. (Romney has justified them as national security measures — food security, somehow threatened. Gingrich says opponents of ethanol subsidies are “big-city” people hostile to farmers.) Huntsman considers No Child Left Behind, the semi-nationalization of primary and secondary education, “an unmitigated disaster.” (Romney and Gingrich support it. Gingrich has endorsed a national curriculum.) Between Ron Paul’s isolationism and the faintly variant bellicosities of the other six candidates stands Huntsman’s conservative foreign policy, skeptically nuanced about America’s need or ability to control many distant developments.

Romney might not be a Dewey. Gingrich might stop being (as Churchill said of John Foster Dulles) a bull who carries his own china shop around with him. But both are too risky to anoint today.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: huntsman; jonhuntsman; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; mittromney; newt; newtgingrich; obama; rino; romney; utah
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George Will realizes (as I have only come to recently) that Jon Huntsman is THE option for conservatives at this point. His platform is better than any of the frontrunners, as is his record. He WILL crush Obama in a general election, and that means a GOP senate majority of several seats as well.
1 posted on 12/02/2011 9:53:08 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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Who the Hell is George Will, and why should I give a damn about what he has to say?


2 posted on 12/02/2011 9:56:31 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

haha


3 posted on 12/02/2011 9:56:31 PM PST by Rick_Michael ( 'REAL' Conservatives who witch hunt their own, are no better than Obama.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

groooooan


4 posted on 12/02/2011 9:57:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Gene Eric

Kind of funnily shows how some of these syndicated pundits are way off in left field.


5 posted on 12/02/2011 9:58:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Gene Eric

Did you read what he said? Where specifically do you think he’s wrong? Have you seen Huntsman’s platform?


6 posted on 12/02/2011 9:59:24 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

He may very well be the most consistent candidate, I will not argue against that.

Doesn’t mean he’s the most consistent Republican candidate.


7 posted on 12/02/2011 10:02:07 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Huntsman’s platform is basically to be a political whore who was willing to be Obama’s errand boy to the ChiComs. Since when does a “principled conservative” sell-out to kiss the bum of someone who made Ted Kennedy look like a moderate Democrat?


8 posted on 12/02/2011 10:02:44 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I’ve heard that Huntsman had a really good record running Utah.


9 posted on 12/02/2011 10:03:41 PM PST by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Fax me some of that stuff you’re smoking.


10 posted on 12/02/2011 10:05:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
"George Will pegs Huntsman as most principled conservative)."

George Will misses on both counts.

11 posted on 12/02/2011 10:07:39 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Army Air Corps

I won’t defend his ambassadorship under Obama. All I can say is that I have looked at his record as governor, and I’ve looked at his platform in detail. I’ve also looked at the other top tier candidates, and there’s no question that Huntsman is the MOST conservative of the bunch. I would encourage you to do some reading and some thinking on this.


12 posted on 12/02/2011 10:08:23 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: Jonty30

The choice will come down to Newt, Mitt, or Huntsman. It’s that simple. Out of those three, Huntsman is the most conservative, and has by FAR the best chance to decisively beat Obama in the general.


13 posted on 12/02/2011 10:10:11 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Huntsman has a Dewey problem-people just don't like him.

The choice is between Gingrich and Romney and George Wills' frustration does not change that reality one millimeter. By focusing his solution on a fringe candidate, George Will squandered whatever opportunity he sought in this column to influence conservatives' choice.


14 posted on 12/02/2011 10:12:45 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

If his platform is represented by what he articulates in the debates, then yes.

Huntsman seems like a nice guy, but Will must be smokin’ some weed to think that we ignorant, anti-science Republicans are going to go out of our lazy-ass way to support his prescient pick.


15 posted on 12/02/2011 10:13:43 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Sorry. His bootlicking of the one who has caused much calamity is a grave political sin. You may be gleefully willing to ignore it in favour of some promises. I am not. When next shall he sell himself and for what price? He was willing to dash his principles in favour of chasing after the political flavour of the month (the calamity that we know as B.H. Obama). All for what? To be part of the “in crowd?” If he sells himself that lightly, then what meager price shall he require to sell-out you or me or our nation as a whole?
16 posted on 12/02/2011 10:14:51 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Nope... Not interested in a Mitt light. He’s in it to help Mitt win.


17 posted on 12/02/2011 10:20:21 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: nathanbedford
Exactly Mr Forest!

The last thing we need is a trust fund billionaire who belongs to a religion that many people don't understand and could be twisted to make him look strange. And that is just Romney. Huntsman also has the benefit of working for Obama at one time.

18 posted on 12/02/2011 10:20:59 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

If only he didn’t work for 0bama, he might deserve a consideration. As it is, it’s difficult for conservatives to consider him to beat his (former?) boss, regardless his position on issues.


19 posted on 12/02/2011 10:33:17 PM PST by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car; he just makes it worse. Get somebody else!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Seriously, dude. What ARE you smoking ? (C)Huntsman ? Zero’s meat puppet Ambassador idiot-savant ? Tell me this is parody.


20 posted on 12/02/2011 10:36:11 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (If Newt Gingrich is a Reliable Conservative, Joe Biden is a member of MENSA)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m sympathetic to the personal challenges Will has kindly shared with the World, but I have yet to experience the insightful, political ‘Wow’ he’s alleged to convey. Perhaps my cynicism has eclipsed the beltway rumors.


21 posted on 12/02/2011 10:49:50 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

So have I.

Suprising.


22 posted on 12/02/2011 10:52:50 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: nathanbedford
George Will was certain the nominee would be either Mitch Daniels or Tim Pawlenty only a few month ago.

It's all academic. Obama will be CIC until Jan 20, 2017.

23 posted on 12/02/2011 11:06:57 PM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama and Speaker Pelosi.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
George Will realizes (as I have only come to recently) that Jon Huntsman is THE option for conservatives at this point.

Just out of curiosity, how is a guy who calls conservatives "anti-science" and refers to himself, not as the conservative, but as the "center-right" candidate, somehow become "THE option" for conservatives ?

I'm not even knocking him for working in the Obama administration, I'm more curious how someone who portrays themselves as a moderate (his words, not mine) and "center-right" or "right of center" (again his words not mine) becomes the option for people who are conservative ?

Even better, how is he supposed to pull this off after insulting conservatives directly ?

24 posted on 12/02/2011 11:33:11 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: St. Louis Conservative

George Will needs to take his meds and eat his soup.


25 posted on 12/03/2011 12:07:42 AM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: jonrick46

George Will has on occasion seemed like a Conservative only due to the contrast from the 5 Leftist usually arrayed against him. He’s an inside the beltway idea of a ‘Conservative’. Will is a useful idiot and pure Statist/Prog.


26 posted on 12/03/2011 1:28:42 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I’m delighted that you have decided to support Jon Huntsman.

Ultimately, this is going to come down to whether we want to ‘vent’ or whether we want to ‘win’.

Romney is utterly vulnerable against Obama for reasons that the Huntsman campaign is already exploiting and are well documented on this site. Even Newt’s staunchest fan would admit that he brings a fair amount of baggage to the table.

When you brush away all the image stuff, when you brush away the tangential fluff, and you get down to a candidate’s record and his policy positions, Huntsman seems the wisest choice every time.


27 posted on 12/03/2011 3:35:18 AM PST by Tredegar (Huntsman 2012 - Qualifications, Experience and Expertise, MATTER)
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To: Sonny M

Huntsman has tried to eschew the moderate label. He isn’t too keen on any ‘label’ that the media might bestow. If anything, he is trying to portray himself (accurately as his record shows) as a consistent conservative. Have a look at the ads his campaign have created against Romney’s flip-flops, and the ad that his Super PAC broadcast in New Hampshire. They’re all about being a conservative.

Comparing his policy positions and past to that of Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney, it is difficult not to conclude that Will, on this topic at least, has a point.

As for your other point, if you felt insulted, then I don’t blame you for not warming to the guy. I didn’t take his comments that way. I agree with his basic premise that the Republican Party cannot allow itself to be painted by the Democrats and the media, as the ‘anti-science’ party. Because that’s the spin they are taking. Now THAT I find insulting.


28 posted on 12/03/2011 3:44:47 AM PST by Tredegar (Huntsman 2012 - Qualifications, Experience and Expertise, MATTER)
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To: nathanbedford
Nathan,

George Will has squandered our patience for years now as conservatives, I don't even listen to him anymore. His last great call before anyone saw it ( 3 or 4 yrs before it happened if my memory is correct) was that GM was going to go broke, not Europe. Funny thing is Europe is their now...

29 posted on 12/03/2011 4:01:36 AM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: St. Louis Conservative

This is why I stopped reading George Will long ago.


30 posted on 12/03/2011 4:26:29 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Years back Will was the one eyed king in the valley of the blind. There were no other “conservative” writers around and he looked like Reagan. Now he just looks like .... well George Will a man willing to make a fool of himself to meet a deadline.


31 posted on 12/03/2011 4:38:38 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
George Will realizes (as I have only come to recently) that Jon Huntsman is THE option for conservatives at this point.

No.

Jon Huntsman’s Love Letters (to Obama & the Clintons)

Huntsman: Climate Change Has Established Scientists Associated With It

Jon Huntsman's Cap and Trade, Stimulus Support and Individual Mandate Past Catches Up to Him

Huntsman in 2009: Stimulus "Probably Wasn't Big Enough"

32 posted on 12/03/2011 4:44:37 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: newzjunkey
Re: Your tagline...

With FReepers like you, O will be elected for life. We need to go out and DEFEAT the MARXIST. I'm not a Huntsman supporter, but if it's him or O, I'llvote him.

33 posted on 12/03/2011 4:55:26 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: Army Air Corps

Also, Huntsman’s admitted strategy in New Hampshire is to get Democratic voters to raid the primary and vote for him.


34 posted on 12/03/2011 4:55:29 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Will’s been in Washington DC so long he’s become addicted to the Kool-Aid. No better way to get invited to parties on the Beltway than to bash conservatives.


35 posted on 12/03/2011 5:03:54 AM PST by kenmcg (How)
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To: newzjunkey

Bull.


36 posted on 12/03/2011 5:42:00 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I don’t have a problem with Huntsman’s views. Unfortunately Huntsman has made it clear he has a problem with my views.


37 posted on 12/03/2011 6:01:56 AM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

With Romney faltering, time to turn to Huntsman I guess. Anything to stop a conservative from winning the nomination.


38 posted on 12/03/2011 6:19:41 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Stop. Just stop.


39 posted on 12/03/2011 6:28:44 AM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Then Georgie Will has gone senile.

The is nothing at all “conservative” about Huntsmann. His big govt statist solutions on everything from Bank Regulation to the myth of global warming expose him as just another Democrat Lite RINO.

40 posted on 12/03/2011 6:45:57 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Tredegar

Then Georgie Will has gone senile.

The is nothing at all “conservative” about Huntsmann. His big govt statist solutions on everything from Bank Regulation to the myth of global warming expose him as just another Democrat Lite RINO.


41 posted on 12/03/2011 6:47:23 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
chance to decisively beat Obama in the general.

Simply posting your emotional opinion over and over will not magically change this fiction to fact.

42 posted on 12/03/2011 6:49:22 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

I’m sorry, but NOTHING at all conservative about Huntsman? Really? Nothing?

He’s just another pro-life, pro-gun, tax cutting, Ryan Plan supporting, liberal, I guess? Dang. He almost fooled me with that cunning disguise....


43 posted on 12/03/2011 6:57:10 AM PST by Tredegar (Huntsman 2012 - Qualifications, Experience and Expertise, MATTER)
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To: St. Louis Conservative; Tredegar; 9YearLurker

http://jon2012.com/issues

Read his own issues, page. There is nothing even remotely “conservative” about Huntsman

The only way you can see Huntsman as “conservative” is if you change the definition of “conservative” to mean Democrat Lite RINO.


44 posted on 12/03/2011 7:07:44 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Sonny M

I agree that the anti-science remark was triggered more out of desperation from a candidate looking to catch a break in the media at that point than out of disrespect or hostility to anything or any one in particular, It served his purpose by widening the case with moderates and Independents but came across as so tone-deaf in right wing circles you will notice it wasn’t a mis-step that was repeated.

The fact remains there is no way to put together a winning base without appealing to ex-Obama supporters FED UP with the state of things (and there are TONS of them). What has to be kept in mind is that Huntsman is looking to scale up the concepts instituted in Utah without pandering or running away from his record. (Although I wouldn’t mind if he flip-flopped on global warming which isn’t going to fly as a political wedge issue.)

So because Jon is an old-school conservative, his indictment of the problems the party faces in continuing to be out of touch with mainstream America is obviously not an indictment of traditional free market conservative philosophy. It may not be a popular line to take, but if the country were interested in radical solutions by a less than qualified right wing theorist we would be on the verge of a Pres Bachmann, Pres Santorum, Paul, Perry etc., no ?

“The minute the Republican party becomes the anti-science party, we have a huge problem”

“We’re not going to win a national election if we become the anti-science party,”


45 posted on 12/03/2011 7:18:41 AM PST by erlayman
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To: Tredegar

He’s right that he has an actual conservative record—about two-thirds of the time. But he was a big spender in Utah, he’s a squish on foreign affairs (no Ron Paul mind you, but about as bad as an over-interventionalist in the other direction), and most egregiously he’s terrible on illegal immigration.

I still think he’s no worse than Gingrich or Perry or Romney at this point, but he’s sent me back examining again Bachmann or Santorum or what Palin said in her two interviews this week.


46 posted on 12/03/2011 7:20:13 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: MNJohnnie

Except of course, that is not the case. I know Huntsman’s positions very well. You can mistrust him for working for Obama if you wish, if you don’t like his stance on evolution and climate change, that’s fine too. These are legitimate reasons for concern, but you can’t genuinely say there is nothing at all conservative about the guy, and keep a straight face, surely?

Isn’t being so consistently pro-life and pro-gun, conservative?

Isn’t having a record as a tax-cutter as governor of one of the most conservative states in the nation, a little touch of conservatism?

Surely supporting the Ryan Plan is something that a conservative would recognise?

What about school vouchers in Utah?

There is actually a reasonable case to put forward that Huntsman is the most electable conservative candidate in this election. Certainly more conservative than Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich.

Perhaps you don’t agree with him. That’s fine. But, my goodness, how far have we gone astray, how small to we want this party to be, if someone with such a conservative record on most issues like Jon Huntsman is dismissed as a ‘Democrat Lite RINO’?

Can you REALLY not see any conservatism in his record and positions, at all?


47 posted on 12/03/2011 7:25:18 AM PST by Tredegar (Huntsman 2012 - Qualifications, Experience and Expertise, MATTER)
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To: 9YearLurker

Fair enough. Nobody’s perfect. If you ultimately decide that you prefer Rick Santorum or Michele Bachmann as the Republican nominee for the presidency ahead of Jon Huntsman, then good luck to you.


48 posted on 12/03/2011 7:29:41 AM PST by Tredegar (Huntsman 2012 - Qualifications, Experience and Expertise, MATTER)
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To: nathanbedford
Huntsman has a Dewey problem-people just don't like him.

The choice is between Gingrich and Romney...

You think people like Gingrich and Romney?

ROFLOL!

49 posted on 12/03/2011 7:35:36 AM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar

Or for that matter, do people really like the personality of Paul or Santorum or Bachmann or Perry?

Cain started out as the most likable in part because he had so little competition, but even he has worn out his welcome.


50 posted on 12/03/2011 7:46:38 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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