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You Have No Privacy
Townhall.com ^ | December 3, 2011 | Floyd and Mary Beth Brown

Posted on 12/03/2011 7:56:05 AM PST by Kaslin

If you are like us, every day you pick up a smartphone and you send email, visit with friends on Facebook, send a text message or even log into your bank's website and pay a bill. These modern day conveniences have become routine.

We all believe that our passwords are secure, our data is protected, and life is easier if we don't have to write a check to pay a bill or dig around and find a stamp to send a friend a quick note.

But this morning we are no longer sure. The tech world is in a fury, which we believe will soon break out into society at large, about a little-known software program call Carrier IQ. Over the Thanksgiving weekend a 25-year-old programmer by the name of Trevor Eckhart posted a video on YouTube which graphically displays how our naïve beliefs of privacy are just plain wrong.

The video, which lasts 17 minutes and starts slowly because he methodically goes through the privacy statements on his cell phone, is frightening. If you watch it, you will never look at your smartphone the same again. We have posted the video at Floydreports.com if you want to watch.

The program, Carrier IQ cannot be turned off. But it tracks your every move. Dial a friend's phone, it sends the number off to someone. Send or receive a text message and the message is recorded and sent off. Call up your bank or another website in the allegedly secure https: mode which we have been told is secure, and Carrier IQ is there recording your username, password and any other move you make on your phone.

Rather than calling them smartphones, we should be calling them people monitors. The only action you take which it cannot record is a thought in your head that you refuse to express. These phones are even capable of recording what you say. Scary is not the word for it.

Trevor Eckhart even takes pains to turn of the GPS function for use by Google maps and search and then he demonstrates how Carrier IQ still is logging your position.

Now what can you do about it? The program can only be removed if you hack or as they say "root" your phone. But beware – rooting your phone likely violates the contract you have signed with your carrier, and it clearly voids any manufacturers’ warranty you may have on the device.

Since the video was first posted, others have gone to work and exposed how in addition to Android phones, the Carrier IQ software is also present on I Phones with iOS3 operating system and above.

The privacy issues surrounding smartphones have been numerous, but the exposure of Carrier IQ brings the threat to an entirely new level. Chances are if you have a smartphone, you have no privacy around or while using the device. Be careful.

Makes you understand why criminals all use burner phones.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: android; bigbrother; carrieriq; cellphone; cellphones; corruption; criminals4privacy; eckhart; fraud; gps; ios3smartphone; iphone; keylogger; lping; policehaters; privacy; smartphone; smartphones; somethingtohide; trevoreckhart; waronterror
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1 posted on 12/03/2011 7:56:06 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Facebook and the like are security risks for bigger reasons.

They provide a pathway for takeover of your computer.

This means more than access to personal and private info, it means potential use of your system as a storage and messaging center for criminals and foreign entities.

I also don’t use a smartphone.....


2 posted on 12/03/2011 8:09:04 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: Kaslin

Every time you requet a URL and visit a website a record of your visit is kept by your ISP.

This is only as private as it takes someone who knows what they are doing to hack it or for the IPS to give it up.

Is anyone surprised at this? You shouldn’t be.

Now thay are putting smart meters on your house so they do not have to send oput the meter reader. Theycan tell when you go on vacation or when you are using the air conditioner. You are photographed everywhere you go by speed camera’s Traffic light Camera’s, security camera’s, Your cell phone can be tracked, your automobile can be tracked,with it’s onboard phone, If you have a wreck the on board system notifies the police while you sit there with the air bag in your face.Your conversations can be listened to while you drive down the road.

Privacy? Maybe in your bedroom if you keep the curtains drawn, put the phone and TV in another room and are quiet.


3 posted on 12/03/2011 8:12:27 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Kaslin

Might make a good alibi, though, for someone thinking ahead. All you need is a reliable accomplice who can take your smartphone for a very traceable outing, complete with FB comments, while you head in the other direction to commit whatever mayhem you had in mind.


4 posted on 12/03/2011 8:12:52 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Kaslin

This is frustrating, and scary, downright 1984-ish, but, what can we do? Simply shun all the technological advances we’ve had for the last 100 years? Move to a cabin in the woods with no power and hunt, fish, and gather again for sustenance?

Even sending a paper check through the mail has your account number on it.


5 posted on 12/03/2011 8:16:38 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: Kaslin

6 posted on 12/03/2011 8:16:44 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Kaslin

So what was the intent of Carrier IQ? We know its capability, but who dreamed it up and why?


7 posted on 12/03/2011 8:20:37 AM PST by umgud
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To: Kaslin

So how do I root my smart phone?


8 posted on 12/03/2011 8:21:54 AM PST by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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To: Kaslin

Want to really get creeped out/ go to Spokeo.com and type in your name....


9 posted on 12/03/2011 8:21:54 AM PST by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Kaslin
I think I have all of that and more but still have total privacy. What I wish to share is mine to share, what I have in my head and what is really personal is only mine. You can find out a lot of useless information or MIS-information I have out there about me. But that isn't my PRIVATE information.

I think you can do damage with information if you try. Like SSN and Banking information, but that is a failure by our Government making us just a number, and Banks using poor security. You find that the real hit to you is taking your hard earned money, and your reputation.

Best answer to the problem is I think getting out of a megabank, and getting rid of the credit cards. Then slowly building an alternate address that your MAIL goes to, and NOT the place you LIVE and SLEEP at night.

How To Be Invisible
10 posted on 12/03/2011 8:21:59 AM PST by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com -- Twitter @KingCorey_Com)
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To: Kaslin

I’m curious...what are you selling?


11 posted on 12/03/2011 8:28:57 AM PST by O6ret (for)
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To: G Larry

I do what I can. I am not on Facebook, I do not Tweet, I am not Linkedin. I use Ixquick for my searches. It doesn’t track your IP, nor are there cookies. My cell phone is ancient. Friends laugh when I flip it open, and have to pull up the antenna! I still don’t feel secure.


12 posted on 12/03/2011 8:29:16 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Kaslin

The Founders met in taverns and back rooms so they wouldn’t be spotted by the British, who had Tory spies everywhere.

The lack of cyber privacy is the more reason to meet your friends face-to-face ... like at the pistol range.


13 posted on 12/03/2011 8:36:52 AM PST by DNME (A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright. - Robert Heinlein)
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To: Kaslin

Here’s my understanding of the iPhones “tracking”. It does not track the user, it tracks a file. It’s debatable how much difference there is in that distinction.

In other word, tracking file GUID Azsdq%guq-00, does not equal tracking John Smith, sim card number, and phone number, who lives at, etc etc.


14 posted on 12/03/2011 8:37:36 AM PST by moehoward
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To: RockinRight
Well, I use a smart phone (iphone) and before this story I dismised this stuff as no big deal but this is over the top. This is wire tapping pure and simple. I'm now officially tired of hearing about this sneaky crap monitoring my phone.

While I always hesitate to say we need legislation, but in this case I think we do. We need to make secret collecting of data from private phones absolutely illegal and subject to criminal prosecution as well as civil litigation. If any data no matter for what purpose was taken off of my phone without my consent I should be able to sue their asses off then have the DA hit them with criminal charges. In the day of the old land lines if some company figured out a way to monitor your phone without your knowledge they would have been thrown in the slammer so fast they would not know what hit them. How is this any different other than it's clearly worse as they are deliberately collecting secure information.

15 posted on 12/03/2011 8:42:03 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: Kaslin

I love my Western Electric telephones. Some of them are older than I am, and still work.


16 posted on 12/03/2011 8:45:04 AM PST by Olog-hai
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17 posted on 12/03/2011 8:48:53 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Kaslin

You Have No Privacy
Companies such as Acxiom and Choice point has ALL information on you and it’s for sale.


18 posted on 12/03/2011 8:56:43 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Kaslin

I believe that we went thru a similar problem about 10 years ago. The answer was to encrypt you messages. Everything, that hits the Internet is scrutenized.


19 posted on 12/03/2011 9:16:07 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Kaslin

As example of encryptian software is “PGP® Desktop Email from Symantec is email encryption software that offers automatic email encryption, without affecting the end-user experience.”

I have no connection with them, they are just one example.


20 posted on 12/03/2011 9:19:03 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Kozak

SCAREy scary! Ultimate creep-out for me; ultimate excellent tool for a psycho stalker/mentally ill stalkers, like the one I once obtained a R.O. against and pray that the thought of me never flickers though his sick synapses again... but if it did, wow, he gets my address, a map and a photo of my house. Brilliant.


21 posted on 12/03/2011 9:26:04 AM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: DNME
The lack of cyber privacy is the more reason to meet your friends face-to-face ... like at the pistol range.

Literally.
22 posted on 12/03/2011 9:28:16 AM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: bamahead; Kaslin
This is all so ridiculous. We are slaves now and we allowed it to happen.


23 posted on 12/03/2011 9:43:47 AM PST by Lady Jag (Laws are spider webs through which the big flies pass and the little ones get caught)
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To: Kozak
Want to really get creeped out/ go to Spokeo.com and type in your name....

Too scared to do that but what does it say about you? Most any free people search will give your name, age, address, phone number, map of your house, and a list of your relatives. Paying a fee would get all your legal documents. Doing a search on your name brings up more.

24 posted on 12/03/2011 9:43:47 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Kozak
Holy Hannah!
25 posted on 12/03/2011 9:58:02 AM PST by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: bgill

Went to Spokeo.com. Lotta of information on me - most of it WRONG!!!


26 posted on 12/03/2011 10:18:52 AM PST by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: MrLee

I sneaked over there, too. Typed in a relative and, yeah, most of it was wrong. Most all these type searches have people we don’t know living with us.


27 posted on 12/03/2011 10:50:22 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Venturer

>>>Every time you requet a URL and visit a website a record of your visit is kept by your ISP.

This is only as private as it takes someone who knows what they are doing to hack it or for the IPS to give it up.

Is anyone surprised at this? You shouldn’t be.<<<

I’m not. My assumption is that everything that I do on the Internet, including this post, is being done in public. This post, like everything else I do, is the ethically equivalent to standing in the street and talking to someone, and if another person is close by, they can overhear me... except this technology allows anyone to be close by me, and I don’t get to see them. On the other hand, there is a rough equivalence in that I can get to stand by anyone else I want, too, and remain unseen.

So I don’t expect privacy online. Nowhere. And I make sure that whatever I do online is something that I can defend in court, at work, or to my wife, since I understanding that it’s in public - like taking a pretty girl to a restaurant and having a neighbor see me, or being stinking drunk on Saturday and someone telling my boss on Monday.

However... there’s that little bit about “being secure in your person and papers,” if I recall my Fourth Amendment well. That’s the legal frontier we’re looking at here. What’s the limit of state intrusion? Sadly, since I agree with Mark Levin that we’re already in a post-Constitutional republic, my fear is that there is no limit. How that will wash out is anyone’s guess, but the guesses are often scary as hell. My personal guess is that at some point we’ll have virtual avatars guarding our cybernetic (cute old word) selves against intrusion and attack, the same way I have that old shotgun propped up behind the door. I guess I’ll just have to wait and see.


28 posted on 12/03/2011 10:52:59 AM PST by redpoll
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To: Kaslin

I have never owned a cell phone & I won’t.

Only had a pager once & that was for only a year. One client drove me nuts calling me when he knew darn well I wasn’t available. He always thought he had an ‘emergency’. He wasn’t happy when I quit using the pager. But his bookkeeping still got done.

Don’t do ANY financial transactions on the internet—no banking or purchasing.

I sometimes CALL someone & get something shipped, but certainly no more than 6 times a year. W-2’s, particular ribbons for my 20 y/o tractor feed printer, etc.

I don’t TEXT—Don’t belong to Facebook or any other ‘social network’.

I have a nice circle of friends & I talk to them in person or on a land line. I don’t need to find ‘friends’ in Facebook.

I do have a fax, which uses a land line.

They aren’t going to know much about me.


29 posted on 12/03/2011 10:59:03 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

Also:

Don’t have a built in phone in my 1976 Chevy truck & my 1979 Buick station wagon.

Don’t have “ON STAR” I like maps. I have some maps that are over 40 years old. They work just fine.

When a decent USA Atlas at Wal-Mart is less than $5, I don’t need ONSTAR.

I have tried to convince a friend that his Suburban with ONSTAR knows where he is at all times & he scoffs. I ask him: “When you have any kind of impact, how do they call you and tell you that you did so on Route XXX!?? He cannot answer me. I will be notifying him about this thread here on FR.


30 posted on 12/03/2011 11:04:42 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Kozak
Want to really get creeped out/ go to Spokeo.com and type in your name....

I'm happy to say that, although I found myself there, the data was inaccurate and out of date. Of course, I didn't pay the subscription fee to see all of the data.

31 posted on 12/03/2011 11:05:49 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Kozak

>>>Want to really get creeped out/ go to Spokeo.com and type in your name....<<<

Which I did! And the information was fabulously wrong on so many levels that it was funny, starting with getting my birthday wrong and working up from there.

I have bad news for you. Everything on that website could have been obtained in the pre-Internet era with a good set of walking shoes and a legal pad. Back in the old day, pre-Internet, I was a reporter (I’m ashamed of it as well), and getting all of the info on Spokeo.com was already available for someone who knew how get it. And it’s just as accurate as the media usually is about these things! LOL

Seriously... everything I saw is public record, and someone has always had the ability to take a photo of your house from the street. What creeps me out is living in a post-Constitutional republic with that information available to the state.


32 posted on 12/03/2011 11:13:32 AM PST by redpoll
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To: redpoll
Yep, many things are public record; marriages, divorces, buying a home, selling a home, bankruptcy. Back in pre-internet and smart phone days, it might have taken a bit more foot work but were still available to anyone who wanted to find out.

I do all my banking and bill paying on line. I’ve never had a problem but then I do take precautions. I don’t trust the USPS.

33 posted on 12/03/2011 11:26:03 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: Kozak

I had never heard of that site until reading your post. It even has a picture of the house that we used to rent. And that’s just some of it. That freaked me out.


34 posted on 12/03/2011 11:34:54 AM PST by dixiedarlindownsouth
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To: MD Expat in PA

>>>Yep, many things are public record; marriages, divorces, buying a home, selling a home, bankruptcy. Back in pre-internet and smart phone days, it might have taken a bit more foot work but were still available to anyone who wanted to find out.<<<

Here’s an example from the time I was hired to work on a newspaper in Alaska. I drove up the Alaska Highway, got into town, and called my boss, who said I could stay at his home until I got a place for myself. All I had was his name and a phone number. When I arrived, I called. No one was home. Within 30 minutes of stopping at the right places, I had his address and I was waiting on his doorstep when he and his wife got back from the restaurant.

Since he had hired me as a reporter, he was glad I could comb public records and do that. He was later the best man at my wedding. Good guy - conservative, honest, God-fearing. Sadly, also fired when the new company took over the paper a while later.


35 posted on 12/03/2011 11:35:28 AM PST by redpoll
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To: ridesthemiles

My husband, son and daughter had their cell phones for over 5 years when I finally decided to get me one. I very seldom use it. For one thing I am not much of a talker and limit my calls to not more then 10 minutes on a land line and less then that on a cell phone. I take it with me whenever I go somewhere. Just in case I need to call my husband or my son. I’ve tried texting, but found out that is not for me


36 posted on 12/03/2011 12:34:07 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: G Larry

That’s why we have PROXPN on our pc and laptops...

IT’S FREE AND BLOCKS ALL THE ISP AND GOOGLE EYES.

http://proxpn.com/


37 posted on 12/03/2011 1:07:10 PM PST by max americana (Obama is a POS)
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To: Swordmaker

spooky techno ping


38 posted on 12/03/2011 1:12:25 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I’m the same except for LinkedIn. I use Startpage for searches, and have a pretty old cell phone (refuse to let my husband upgrade mine) that I rarely have on, usually the battery is out. I still feel “their eyes” on me everywhere.


39 posted on 12/03/2011 1:14:10 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: DNME

LOL, good idea about the pistol range.


40 posted on 12/03/2011 1:15:39 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Kaslin

It seems like the only ones who get privacy are the perverts and pedophiles.


41 posted on 12/03/2011 1:21:11 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Kaslin

Is Carrier IQ on WiFi iPads and TouchPad as well?


42 posted on 12/03/2011 1:29:11 PM PST by montag813
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To: redpoll

My info had multiple past addressess, my profession, my income and my political orientation, and correct household members. In the past it would have taken A LOT of hunting to get all that together on me from all over the country.


43 posted on 12/03/2011 2:27:05 PM PST by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: redpoll

My info had multiple past addressess, my profession, my income and my political orientation, and correct household members. In the past it would have taken A LOT of hunting to get all that together on me from all over the country.


44 posted on 12/03/2011 2:27:09 PM PST by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Kaslin

More on the guy who did the youtube video

Trevor Eckhart Speaks: The Connecticut ‘Geek’ Who Ignited The Carrier IQ Smartphone Privacy Scandal

http://www.courant.com/business/connecticut-insurance/hc-carrier-iq-phone-eckhart-20111203,0,5419703.story?track=rss


45 posted on 12/03/2011 2:28:18 PM PST by libertarian27 (Agenda21: Dept. of Life, Dept. of Liberty and the Dept. of Happiness)
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To: DNME
The lack of cyber privacy is the more reason to meet your friends face-to-face ... like at the pistol range.

Don't do that in Illinois. The cops stake out the gun shops and ranges,take photos of license plates etc.
46 posted on 12/03/2011 2:29:21 PM PST by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: redpoll

my initial info was wrong on spokeo too (I’m not paying to see the rest)

except for my age - DRAT!


47 posted on 12/03/2011 2:51:58 PM PST by libertarian27 (Agenda21: Dept. of Life, Dept. of Liberty and the Dept. of Happiness)
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To: Kaslin

They’re just finding out we have no privacy? the authors are quite slow on the uptake.


48 posted on 12/03/2011 2:53:32 PM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: umgud
We know its capability, but who dreamed it up and why?

This is a bad one. It's hard-coded into the iPhones and Sprint and AT&T use it on their Android phones. Verizon does not; whether it uses an equivalent is not yet apparent.

Sprint's corporate line (and Carrier IQ's) is that it is used strictly for diagnostics to help troubleshoot phone problems, that no one there reads the sensitive material, and that none of it has been or will be sold to anyone else. Unfortunately the scope of the information available to be gathered was demonstrated to be quite a bit beyond any diagnostic excuse: full text of SMS pages, key logging, etc, etc. There is absolutely no guarantee that any of this isn't being gathered.

Apple has stated that they intend to remove the thing in their next major software upgrade. No one else has, so far, made any such commitment.

Yes, every time you click a URL on the Internet the IP addresses go into a log somewhere, but not the keystrokes you make (passwords, bank numbers) or the actual traffic itself. This is far, far beyond anything kept by ISPs.

And you can't get rid of the thing - it is, in that sense, a root kit, although on my phone it shows up as a named process. If you turn it off it turns itself back on when you open a browser. The only way to get it off the phone I have - a Galaxy S2 - is to (1) root the phone, that is, wipe the OS; (2) flash the ROM with an alternate set of firmware, (3) re-install a fresh, non-corporate Android OS. Naturally all of this is strictly forbidden by the vendor as a terms of service violation. Were they equally scrupulous about keeping up their own end we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Lawsuits are, naturally, flying. According to my reading of the privacy text inside my contract (I'm not an attorney) what is capable of being gathered is a blatant violation. The trick is going to be proving who, if anyone, is doing so. But I am ready to dump my carrier regardless, and if they want to charge me for premature cancellation of the contract they are welcome to speak with my attorney.

49 posted on 12/03/2011 2:55:12 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Thanks. Sounds like a slippery slope that could really be abused in the wrong hands (Gov’t).


50 posted on 12/03/2011 3:07:22 PM PST by umgud
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