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Herman Cain Announcement LIVE THREAD (Video Feed Link) [Suspending!]
HermanCain.com ^ | 12-03-2011

Posted on 12/03/2011 8:18:19 AM PST by montag813

Herman Cain is expected to make a "major announcement" today, anytime between 11am and 1pm EST in Atlanta. The media is assuming he will quit the race. Politico is positively glowing with anticipation of this. Will he fold, or FIGHT? He is also opening a new Atlanta HQ. Twitter reports that people are jamming in early to show their support.

We simply don't know what will happen, or when it will happen. What are your thoughts? Do you think he should quit? Or do you think Cain should stay in the race and deny the State-Run Media yet another GOP scalp on a platter - for unproven allegations -while they allow a vile rapist like Clinton, or commie cokehead like Obama breeze through unscathed?

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To: Cincinna
“In the end Cain was responsible for his own demise. “

How in the world could he be responsible for a collection of broads he ether didn't know or only knew of who are obviously lying. Else why would they have pulled the hit & run tactic of accuse then run for the tall and uncut! Not one bit of substantiation.

1,101 posted on 12/03/2011 5:41:32 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (When every candidate is running in last place, everyone is in first place.)
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To: Mozilla
Didn't Levin endorse Bachmann and Santorim (sorry for names misspelled) - I'm still whimpering U of H loss this afternoon.

Not a great day for Mr. and Mrs. hummingbird...

1,102 posted on 12/03/2011 5:47:36 PM PST by hummingbird (Occupiers=Colicky Babies. America="The Best of Times, the Worst of times.")
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To: BizBroker

“Many in the MSM do realize that there is a significant segment of the population who would vote for a ham sandwich over Obama. “

So you listen to Jum Sharpe too? {8^,


1,103 posted on 12/03/2011 5:54:47 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (When every candidate is running in last place, everyone is in first place.)
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To: Patriot Babe
Could be a Plan (whatever #).

It would be like a lovely spring afternoon if Cain did take the Bimbos to court.

Sometimes “discovery” can be a real hoot. Maybe he can have his own Reality show, too.

Like I said. Between this and major U of H loss, the hummingbirds are really bummed today. Cain was my #1 candidate...

1,104 posted on 12/03/2011 6:04:17 PM PST by hummingbird (Occupiers=Colicky Babies. America="The Best of Times, the Worst of times.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Ha. You want a personal conversation there’s freep mail or Starbucks. Until the Admins say otherwise, what you post I have every right to respond to, n00b or no, especially when it reeks of hypocrisy. You make yourself out to be Rodney King now, but you were merciless with Palin, doubtless motivated by your own well-documented personal clash with her policy views in Alaska. And you imposed yourself on many a Palin thread where you were not invited. And you have the nerve to lecture me about intruding on your “personal conversations?!” Respect? After what you did to Palin? I laugh at you, sonny. You think you’ve got some kind of old-timer entitlement just because you’ve been on some cool conservative internet forum since the Clinton years? FR isn’t a union, FRiend, and seniority rules do not apply. I’ve been arguing for conservatism since before Reagan. Shoot, I freakin had to watch Kennedy get killed. I didn’t get on FR because I didn’t know it was there. Respect comes from doing the right thing and doing it consistently. If you were sincere about not being divisive you had great a chance to prove it during the Palin wars, and you didn’t. Sorry if the truth hurts. Nah, I’m not sorry at all.


1,105 posted on 12/03/2011 6:24:45 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: no-to-illegals

It’s too bad that he let the media take him out of the race, but at least he’s chosen to stay in the game. I don’t know what to expect from him but I’m hopeful. The only thing on his site is a sign-up form. http://cain-solution.com

I signed up but it still doesn’t say how he plans to stay involved. He still has a relatively strong base of support, so I hope this project is managed well.


1,106 posted on 12/03/2011 6:41:49 PM PST by lief_allanfather (-family-god-country-simple-)
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To: Timber Rattler

Thanks. I checked after I posted. Wrong order, I know.


1,107 posted on 12/03/2011 6:45:29 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Guenevere

Ditto, Guenevere. <><


1,108 posted on 12/03/2011 6:46:29 PM PST by hummingbird (Occupiers=Colicky Babies. America="The Best of Times, the Worst of times.")
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To: altura

I am open to Perry because of his prolife views, but what would happen to him when he debates Obama?


1,109 posted on 12/03/2011 6:51:22 PM PST by Palladin (Santorum/Bachmann 2012.)
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To: chooseascreennamepat

I said to my daughter while I was watching this live, that “suspend” indicates something temporary and not at all permanent. I’m hoping he’s just taking a few weeks off to let everything play out with his supporters; let the media focus elsewhere and let someone else take the hot seat until maybe the week before Iowa.


1,110 posted on 12/03/2011 6:53:27 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (save a pretzel for the gas jets)
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To: Guenevere

I am beginning to think our days as a nation under God’s providence have past...


1,111 posted on 12/03/2011 6:59:28 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: sneakers

bump


1,113 posted on 12/03/2011 7:26:55 PM PST by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

The MSM is always supportive of leftists and leftists are happy about that.

So, what about a Tea Party on steroids to pound MSM. Show them for what they are. Expose them again and again.

Then pound them again.

Then pound them again so that they are so totally in the fix that even people who don’t follow politics will see MSM as they are and will vote against any MSM candidate, etc.


1,114 posted on 12/03/2011 7:31:40 PM PST by hummingbird (Occupiers=Colicky Babies. America="The Best of Times, the Worst of times.")
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To: Artcore

You know, tried and true FReepers know that very young conservatives come here along with the rest of us, and we who are not so young, set an example for them. I strongly believe Mr. R. would agree.

You belong at DUh. What a filthy post.


1,115 posted on 12/03/2011 7:39:00 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (save a pretzel for the gas jets)
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To: All

Hey, maybe the lib meda can do this with other candidates. Just have a woman email someone 70 times, at 4:00 a.m.!

Never mind that the Republican candidate did not answer those emails, except for 17 times, and the Republican candidate DID NOT EMAIL THE WOMAN at 4 a.m.. Because what counts is if a woman emails the Republican candidate at 4 a.m. Right?

Isn’t it easy to make someone look bad though?


1,116 posted on 12/03/2011 7:43:22 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Artcore

you mad!


1,117 posted on 12/03/2011 7:46:47 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: thatdewd
You are right - I'm not a Newt supporter because of character issues. I believe a man's character is a "seamless garment", and if a man is untrustworthy in his personal life, we will see the effects of that in his public life.

As for your question, basically, allegations of sexual impropriety are not just "thrown out there" without some accompanying evidence. The allegation generally includes specific "facts" such as time, place, other circumstances, etc. In Cain's case, his accuser made specific allegations regarding the length of time, and gifts of money, etc. She also provided phone records to reporters.

The way to disprove the allegations is to show that there exists no factual basis for them. Thus, if I were Cain I would pour through all my financial records to show that I could not have been where the woman alleged I had been. I would also have my lawyers and investigators question the woman and try to nail her down regarding details.

For example, the woman alleged that she attended a fight with Cain - I believe it was a Mike Tyson fight. Cain should be able to show that he was not at that fight. If the woman alleged that they stayed at a certain hotel, he can check his schedule for that time to show he was not there, or if he was, that he stayed someplace else, etc.

This concerns me because even if the woman claims all payments were in cash and there are no records, as an experienced business person who operates on a schedule and who is used to accounting for financial expenses, Cain should be able to show where he was, where he stayed, at any given time. On the question of attending the fight, Cain should be able to disprove that allegation. Why hasn't he?

And not only Ms. White - others have made specific allegations of sexual harassment that took place in specific circumstances - allegations which Cain's investigators could disprove.

It may also be possible for someone to contact a hotel where they stayed and get confirmation regarding specific dates when they stayed there. I don't see any reason why a hotel would refuse to divulge such information directly to the individual who paid for the room. Again, why has Cain not explored all of these possibilities to disprove the allegations and clear his name?

If you ask me what I would have done, knowing I was innocent and had nothing to fear, I would both hire my own investigators and encourage anyone else - including new media - to investigate the matter. I would provide evidence of my whereabouts to prove I could not have been where it was alleged, and that the claim, e.g., that I paid for hotel rooms was false, etc.

That's what I would have done. In any interviews you would have seen me forcefully deny the allegations and promise to provide any and all necessary evidence to back up my innocence.

Instead, what did we see with Cain? We saw and heard someone who was carefully parsing his words, avoiding a direct answer, using language that could be interpreted different ways: e.g., "There was no affair" does not necessarily mean there was no sex - just that it did not have the emotional element of an "affair," etc. When pressed, he sidestepped with claims of how he and his wife were "at peace" with each other... We heard no promises that he would leave no stone unturned until he could present evidence that the allegations could not have taken place.

A long answer to a short question perhaps, but there it is.

1,118 posted on 12/03/2011 8:06:22 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
I'll apologize for not masking the expletives, but nothing else! My meaning and intentions stand.

Spare me your outrage at the example that I set for our “very young conservatives” that come to FR. I think the example Mr. Cain set (which I pointed out) is much more important. Mr. Cain has proven to our very young conservatives, that when the Left-Wing media do hit pieces against conservatives, they will indeed fold.

Mr. Cain knew what he was getting into when he joined this race. He had strong support even in the thick of these sexual harassment allegations. He took in record donations from his supporters. Instead of focusing on those of us who supported him; he did what all republicans do: HE CAVED TO THE LEFT-WING MEDIA!

Care to tell us how Mr. Cain's actions set the example for our very young conservatives? This cowardice by Cain did nothing but embolden the Leftists in this country. Think this is over? The media have proven that they can destroy all of our candidates.

It's important that young conservatives understand that quiting and caving to the Leftists demands is always a blow to conservatism, and shows nothing but weakness. Next time save your outrage for where it really belongs.

1,119 posted on 12/03/2011 8:21:11 PM PST by Artcore
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To: thatdewd
As if my insanely long reply wasn't enough...

It occurred to me that something very similar to the question you posed had actually happened to me - ergo, the claim that I was homosexual.

In a previous life I was an author on biblical/theological subjects. In one of my books, commissioned by a major U.S. publisher, I dealt with the issue of homosexuality from a Christian perspective. I remember my direct superior at the national pro-family organization where I was employed at the time asking me whether I was afraid that the homosexual activists would attack me, claiming that I was just a closet gay who was "in denial" about his sexuality?

I remember being taken aback when asked this, because it had never been a concern for me. My response: Bring it on! Have at it. Give it your best shot. And you know what? I was not worried in the slightest because I knew there was ZERO evidence that anyone could bring up that would stand the test of critical investigation. I left my superior's office unconcerned, and didn't look back (as it turned out no one tried anything).

The point is, I was completely confident and would have welcomed any investigation because I knew it would clear me. It would NEVER in a million years have occurred to me to resign my position because of the pain & suffering it would cause my wife, or the possible damage to the organization. Why? You don't have to back down when you have truth on your side.

As I have said many times, a man is innocent until proven guilty. That includes Cain. But I must also say - for whatever it's worth - that all my experience and whatever intuition I have picked up through the years - and just looking at the man's countenance - tells me that he has something to hide.

1,120 posted on 12/03/2011 8:22:47 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: butterdezillion

Buck up there Butter, all isn’t lost. Just two comments: (1) Issa can’t fire Holder himself, but he can put the pressure on bam about the conspiracy to walk guns/facilitate murder, and (2) for home defense if you’re not gun savvy, a pump shotgun is one of the best choices, just the sound of racking a round will deter most perps but do practice a bit at the range, eh?

JC


1,121 posted on 12/03/2011 8:43:18 PM PST by cracker45
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To: mkjessup

Gen. Pace was a classmate and I concur with your positive comments about him, but he isn’t a sleazy politician that would be necessary in this climate to get elected. He took an honorable exit as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and likely cannot ever be induced to wade back into the Washington cesspool...

JC


1,122 posted on 12/03/2011 8:52:30 PM PST by cracker45
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To: tjd1454
You don't have to back down when you have truth on your side.

That's not strictly true. I'm an attorney, and sometimes I have to tell a client the truth is on his side, but he'd be a fool to pursue vindication. Why? Usually cost. And there are circumstances where the law simply doesn't favor the client's circumstances. He's right, but the court will likely decide against him anyway for some reason X.

Personally, I find it tragic that so many putative conservatives find it so easy to reference their personal "intuition" as a basis for determining guilt. You are a man of the Book. You know that man looks on the outward appearance but God looks on the heart. If we are to be more like God, we need to not be tempted into premature judgment by appearances. This is why we have a presumption of innocence in our system of law. It protects us from using our "intuitions" to hang innocent people. The discipline to not trust one's "intuition" is hard, but the fruit is good.

So until Cain makes an admission, or other concrete, affirmative evidence emerges, I will hold him innocent. It's the Golden Rule. If I was being falsely accused, that's what I'd want others to do. I know because I’ve been there. Give me facts, or give me nothing. It’s just the right thing to do.

1,123 posted on 12/04/2011 12:21:03 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: BenKenobi

There is only one person who knows if any or all of these accusations are true- Herman Cain.
If my husband gave money to another woman without my knowledge, he would lose more than a nomination.


1,124 posted on 12/04/2011 1:44:48 AM PST by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Springfield Reformer
The discipline to not trust one's "intuition" is hard, but the fruit is good.

I wouldn't disagree with you in principle counselor, but surely you must know that the tree of justice, as represented by our judicial system, does not avail itself to the voters in time for the primaries.

Your fruit must come for some other source. Intuition, in that respect, simply becomes one of the available tools, among others, for judging behavior.

As for myself, it wasn't these allegations that made me question Herman Cain's candidacy, although his handling of them didn't help.

That said, if Herman Cain is the man that his supporters think he is, Then Herman Cain is well aware that he only has himself to blame.

1,125 posted on 12/04/2011 2:31:25 AM PST by csense
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To: onyx
yes....."for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realm"....

..."Therefore put on the full armor of God so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand........

There is indeed an angel riding in the whirlwind and directing this storm......

I think the angst many of us are feeling is .....why couldn't Sarah remain standing...why couldn't Herman Cain remain standing......for the greater good.....for us.

But God is sovereign.....and maybe He wanted them where they were for a moment in time and history.

I think ...we.... will have to be the ones standing, and with God's help...keep standing

.......as I see no other human leader on the horizon.

1,126 posted on 12/04/2011 4:56:06 AM PST by Guenevere (....We press on.....)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Newt making out with Nancy on the couch is something I will not forget. Bah, humbug. His numbers will fall.


1,127 posted on 12/04/2011 5:25:25 AM PST by tioga
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To: hummingbird
Maybe he should have a website like Beck's...He would have a pretty, pretty, pretty place to lay all the cards on the table.

You mean like: thecainsolutions.com ?

1,128 posted on 12/04/2011 6:06:00 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: SoConPubbie
“unprincipled supporters of other candidates.”

You're joking, right?

If not, your presence here needs to be *suspended*.

1,129 posted on 12/04/2011 7:10:32 AM PST by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
So until Cain makes an admission, or other concrete, affirmative evidence emerges, I will hold him innocent.

Agreed. We must not presume the guilt of anyone - least of all on the basis of "intuition" (though I do not discount it's usefulness - see below). As for "premature judgment," many on this board have rushed to judgment themselves, refusing to consider even the possibility of wrongdoing. The man is innocent until proven otherwise, but serious allegations have been made.

Of course, those with limited means may be unable to afford the cost of defending themselves against such allegations (due in large part to the high fees demanded by lawyers). One would think, however, that money would not be as much of a problem for a successful businessman like Cain, who might (you can answer this better than I) also be able to use political contributions for legal expenses.

A number of (now former) supporters on Cain threads have expressed disappointment that he "gave up so easily" rather than fight the charges. And here is where intuition comes in. You're a lawyer: let's be honest - you can pretty much tell when someone's got something to hide, right?

1,130 posted on 12/04/2011 7:12:09 AM PST by tjd1454
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To: tjd1454

We must all trust our gut, that’s all we can do! This will all get easier when Sarah gets back in the race...


1,131 posted on 12/04/2011 9:18:19 AM PST by thatdewd (I'm tired of watching stupid people do stupid things stupidly.)
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To: Windflier
Thanks for the response, Windy! Yes, I remembered that you're from the South Central LA area.

We're still slugging it out here in So Cal, and to tell you the truth ... though we know it's dangerous, though we know we're living on the edge, though we know we're living in a potential powder keg, though the traffic can be miserable and the politics even worse ... we love it down here.

Both of us grew up in very small towns and have lived in some of the most beautiful areas in the U.S. -- postcard-pretty type places. Yet our love affair with So. Cal still burns hot. Maybe because of our backgrounds, who knows. Small town living -- been there, done that.

I hope all is going well with you and your family!

1,132 posted on 12/04/2011 9:34:25 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: thatdewd

I for one would welcome it.


1,133 posted on 12/04/2011 11:02:53 AM PST by tjd1454
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To: Finny
...our love affair with So. Cal still burns hot. Maybe because of our backgrounds, who knows. Small town living -- been there, done that.

I understand. I spent half a century there, and the place will always be first in my heart. Can't be helped when a place has burned itself into that much of your life and memory.

Still, there's a limit to how much a person can take, when the place you call home, changes beyond all recognition. If the slow and creeping changes are a net positive, that's one thing, but when those changes continually degrade everything you know and love about a place, well....everyone's got a limit. I hit mine in 2005.

As far as "small towns" are concerned, I'm pretty happy living outside the 'small town' of Dallas ;-)

1,134 posted on 12/04/2011 2:10:51 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Artcore

You’re entitled to your opinions.

Your profanities were the reason prompting my post.


1,135 posted on 12/04/2011 2:31:20 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (save a pretzel for the gas jets)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

I understand.


1,136 posted on 12/04/2011 2:43:47 PM PST by Artcore
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To: csense
Herman Cain is well aware that he only has himself to blame

Unless I misunderstand you, aren’t you begging the question of guilt? IF he is entirely, purely innocent, then no, he is not to blame for the deeds of false accusers or the willingness of the public to believe those false accusers. Under that scenario, his only fault was being too optimistic. He foolishly believed he would be judged according to the truth of his innocence. In my experience, this is a common fault of innocent people generally. For Cain, it is a reflection of his lack of political experience, and in this extraordinary election cycle, such optimism, even if misguided, is not necessarily a political negative.

But you do make a good point. Cain is not on trial in a real court, but running for President. The judicial system is, at least theoretically, held to the presumption of innocence through a body of formal law. The electorate has a short time to make its decision, and it has only the media, the candidate and his accusers, and its own collective conscience to work with. My conscience will not let me render an adverse decision without confirmatory facts. Perhaps it is my legal training, and I do know not everybody operates that way, but that’s just who I am.

Does a healthy doubt of my own intuition put me at a disadvantage in judging candidates? I don’t think so. In fact, I think it gives me an advantage. It gives me a reason to question media authority. To borrow a Biblical idea, it makes me a political Berean, a person who diligently tries to confirm the truth of what he’s told, to willingly accept what is true, to forcefully reject what is false, and to suspend judgment on what is indeterminate. The only reason conservatism is superior to its alternatives is it’s commitment to truth. Liberalism fails because it is unfaithful to reality. If our judgments as conservatives become less and less grounded in true truth, we may win individual elections, but end up losing the greater struggle, to become a people who prosper because we are faithful to the truth.

1,137 posted on 12/04/2011 6:28:47 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: cracker45

Bite me, noob.


1,138 posted on 12/04/2011 7:15:12 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: tjd1454
You're a lawyer: let's be honest - you can pretty much tell when someone's got something to hide, right?

A hunch is only as good as the information it is based on. If I knew Cain in person, knew all the facts his lawyer knows, could actively ask questions of all the principals, I might have some basis for applying my life experience to those facts and assess his truthfulness. But all I have is carefully structured, spoon-fed hearsay and his response to that hearsay. Unless there’s eventually something more concrete and natural to go by, I am happy to accept his denials at face value. I am simply too far removed from his situation to do anything else and still be honest with myself.

Don’t misunderstand. I’m not saying people shouldn’t have opinions. That can’t be prevented anyway. But conservatives owe it to themselves to base those opinions, to the extent possible, on verified facts. Sometimes the circumstances don’t allow that. Some emergency exists and you have to summon all your life experience in an instant and make the right choice. That’s what some people mean when they say intuition. It has the defect that it is still based on a combination of facts and beliefs, some of which may be extremely inaccurate.

So while “intuition” may be serviceable for some situations where a calm ordering of the facts is not possible, it is certainly not desirable as a basis for determining a person’s character. There are simply too many ways to destroy a person’s reputation through lies, and too much value in a good reputation, to let it be decided by hearsay and well-intended but ill-informed “intuition.” For that the more precise instruments of truth are required. You would want that if it was your own reputation on the line, wouldn’t you?

1,139 posted on 12/04/2011 8:10:57 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: buccaneer81

Yep, I see you’re still true to form with the gratuitous insults that show a low level of intelligence, mostly feral.

Your TB Bucs are losers also; I dropped them when Jon Gruden and Warren Sapp left, and they can’t seem to fight their way out of a wet paper sack since then!

JC


1,140 posted on 12/04/2011 10:54:09 PM PST by cracker45
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To: Springfield Reformer
Unless I misunderstand you, aren’t you begging the question of guilt? IF he is entirely, purely innocent, then no, he is not to blame for the deeds of false accusers or the willingness of the public to believe those false accusers.

I'm begging the question of leadership. He may not be responsible for the words of his accusers, but he is responsible for how he is perceived by the public. Without such a responsibility to perception, the notion of leadership is incoherent.

As I said before, it wasn't these allegations that made me initially question Herman Cain's candidacy, but since these accusations seem to be the topic of unrelenting discussion, I will say that the reason I think it bothers most people is because his behavior fits a profile. I'm sure as an attorney, you are familiar with that term. There is a post that I read recently which sums it up very nicely. It was from a woman, and it was in response to the Ginger White affair, and the woman said, something to the effect: If it was my husband, and he didn't tell me, he'd have more to worry about losing than just the primary.

I tend to doubt that this woman would agree with you that his only fault was being too optimistic, in that He foolishly believed he would be judged according to the truth of his innocence.

Again, we come back to the responsibility of perception, and rightly so...

1,141 posted on 12/05/2011 12:46:53 AM PST by csense
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To: Springfield Reformer
Thanks for your comments. It looks like events have overtaken discussions about Cain's character. I have no problem with your perspective regarding basing one's opinion on sound evidence rather than "hearsay" or one's "gut feeling."

I would like to mention that I have long perceived that we communicate many things about ourselves, our character, and our intentions in non-verbal ways. Part of this is what we would call "body language." We also convey certain things about ourselves through our demeanor - as the saying goes, the eyes are the window to the soul. There is a biblical term - one's "countenance" - which likely refers to this non-verbal "projection." Another biblical term, "discernment" (among other things) refers to the ability to appraise others, not only by what they say, but by observing them.

Thus while such intuition is not and should not be admissible in court, it nevertheless constitutes a big part of how we communicate with each other, and "size each other up." For what it's worth, from watching Cain speak and observing his demeanor, my personal appraisal was that of a man caught in a trap.

1,142 posted on 12/05/2011 4:23:22 AM PST by tjd1454
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