Skip to comments.Rand Paul, Libertarian Extremist
Posted on 12/03/2011 8:51:43 AM PST by ventanax5
The Tea Partys limited-government, constitutional heart is in the right place. But it needs much better guidance about how the Constitution works in wartime.
The defense-authorization bill currently under congressional consideration contains some unremarkable, largely redundant provisions about the treatment of enemy combatants. Naturally, the now-familiar alliance of leftists and libertarian extremists self-proclaimed constitutionalists all attacked with their signature sky is falling equanimity. On Wednesday, my column addressed some of the more hysterical arguments posited by Fox News analyst Andrew Napolitano. The real action, however, was taking place on the Senate floor, where Tea Party favorite Rand Paul (R., Ky.) squared off against John McCain (R., Ariz.), leader of the Republican partys transnational-progressive wing. Sen. McCain, along with another tranzy, Sen. Carl Levin (D., Mich.), sponsored the detention provisions which are thus collectively known as the McCain-Levin amendment.
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Those Freepers are not for freedom at all. They buy into the lies and propaganda of the govt like lemmings.
I think in the beginning(1955) it wasn’t. There wouldn’t have been a need for it with Republican Henry Luce in charge of such major publications Time, Life, Fortune and Sports Illustrated.
Tell me what you disagree with Rand Paul on in this clip?
you must favor Al Quada and blame america for 911 to not want the the govt to have this new power.
Even today look at the GOP candidates, only marginally better then Obama only Ron Paul or maybe Cain (big maybe there) offers any kind of real change in policy. All of the others are just more of the same. But go on to a Mitt or Newt or Perry thread is try to explain that, lol, fire and brimstone will ran down upon you.
My ideal ticket is Paul / Bachmann
I want Sarah/West but Paul/whoever is acceptable.
The idea that American citizens captured in the USA could be held by the military and or for the military to operate withing our borders is Un American period.
OTOH i have no problem with foreign nationals being seized inside the US and being sent to GITMO and held indefinitely without a trial.
Paul/Bachmann are the only two I trust running for office.
The others are sleazebags. Santorum too. He pimped Santorum and is a complete NeoCon himself
It’s the same argument made when the US Government interred Americans of Japanese descent during WWII. It was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
Anyone supporting this dangerous idea is an enemy of the US Constitution and has absolutely no place on this forum in my opinion.
Oh, I like that a lot.
The police state types scare me like you cant believe. and they have the balls to complain about obama? LOL
I used to subscribe to the hard copy NR, back in the day.
I think their role now is to act as mainstreamy opposition to the ardent socialists, while protecting RINOs and dissing true conservatives.
I just dont understand anyone wanting to give the govt this power? Who are these freaks and traitors? What background do they have? What is their motivation?
I’m sorry - but anyone calling themself a conservative and supproting this needs a real cold shower fast.
>> By his title, (NRO or Andys choice) Andy has lost the debate with me. >>
Well in your own words you went into the article with a closed mind, so you lost the debate with yourself. Congratulations.
A title is normally not the choice of the writer, rather the editor. And an editor chooses a title to get people to read. So you are really showing an ignorance of how commentaries are published to get your panties in a wad over the title.
McCarthy makes it clear that it is unusual for him to disagree with the tea party folks and with Paul - but then makes it clear why he does on this issue - and why he thinks Paul is being “extremist” on this issue and this issue alone.
And no, he never calls “all” tea party folks anything nor does he ever make that big of a generalization. I am tea party mindset and I was not at all offended by anything said.
I like Paul but 19th century isolationism is not going to work in the modern world, plus I do not want to abandon Israel.
911 was the fault of govt incompetence, not lack of police state powers.
Anyone willing to give the govt more powers over us is a traitor. Screw them.
>> There are still a couple of conservatives at NRO including Andrew McCarthy. Comments here sound like the left wing approach making blanket statements without even reading the article. I find people on both the right and left cheering for their candidate like a sports team, They cannot see their bias.>>
Amen, well said. I normally like almost everything Rand Paul does and was thrilled he won the seat in Kentucky over the God awful Jack Conway. Having said that, I stand by McCarthy in this particular criticism over this particular issue. And I think Rand is using sound bytes and talking points cynically in making his case, and further, I think he knows it.
Do I still like and support Rand? Absolutely. I just think he’s wrong in this case and I think McCarthy made a very sober and detailed case as to why.
And I don’t give a damn what other mistakes McCarthy has made. No one is perfect and no one is totally always wrong (except liberals).
Case by case....