Skip to comments.Newt: The Civil Warrior
Posted on 12/03/2011 10:22:20 AM PST by TBBT
Over the last couple of days, several well-regarded Republican pundits have taken it upon themselves to educate Republican primary voters about the many shortcomings of Newt Gingrich. As I read them, I was reminded of Abraham Lincoln's reaction to the series of military and political experts who warned him that Ulysses S. Grant was an overly ambitious, incompetent drunk. When these experts demanded Grant's removal after the then-unprecedented casualties at Battle of Shiloh in April 1862, Lincoln acknowledge Grant's shortcomings but responded, "I can't spare this man; he fights." Many of Grant's critics were enamored of George B. McClellan, a parade ground general who consistently overstated the strength of his Confederate opposition and who had long fancied himself the presidential frontrunner for 1864. The bottom line was that while McClellan considered himself the next Napoleon, it was apparent to Lincoln that it was Grant who actually had the rare 2 o'clock in the morning courage Napoleon himself so highly valued. In 1863, during Grant's siege of Vicksburg and amid his own growing unhappiness with the series of generals rotated through the leadership of the Army of the Potomac following McClellan's dismissal, Lincoln's reply to the incessant complaints of Grant's critics was even more pointed.
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Over the last two years, I’ve had my fill of candidates being compared to other people. I wish folks would just give it a rest. Good grief!
A person rises and falls on their own merits, their own deeds or misdeeds.
While Newt probably isn’t being compared directly here, the comparison is nauseating.
So Newt is the new Grant? Seriously?
He will throw conservatives under the bus at the first opportunity that suits him. That said, so will Romney. At this point we will end up with one of them.
Newt also knows how to 'get the job done' when necessary...that's good. Would love to see him debate Obama and his teleprompter... That said, he needs to beef up on his conservatism - maybe chat with Palin...
Just a loose analogy...
Don’t blow a gasket....
Individual mandate in obamacare
“Radical rightwing social engineering”, “era of reagan is over”
Gun grabbing bills
Otherwise conservative /s
Newt: The Liberal Cause Sympathizer.
You miss the point - it's about following conventional "wisdom" and listening to naysayers just because they can cite some negatives. It blinds one to the positives. Newtt isn't my first choice, but it gets old hearing all the "uber-informed" reacting to every bit of drivel that comes down the pike.
I love that phrasing.
He could certainly stand to read Washington’s Rules of Civility.
If anyone should be compared to Grant it should be Cain. Cain is a consistent winner in everything he did. Even Grant couldn’t say that. The only thing Newt “Lets make a deal.” Gingrich is 100% competent at is feathering his own nest.
Looks like you’ve done what I should have. Good work. Over time I have watched Newt screw up more times than I can count. Each time I thought to myself, as a Constitutional scholar the guy comes off great. In the real world he comes off looking like a squirrel.
Too bad, but it’s true...
Like Churchill “Newt is a fighter of rare courage, and they value his consistent focus on American exceptionalism ...”
Newt even looks like Churchill. Both were historians and scholars. Both effective communicators and debaters in parliament/congress as for the general public. The bombastic Churchill, for a long time written off, was the perfect leader for his time, just as Newt may be ideal for ours.
Newt is like Grant only in that critics were proven wrong about making him general. He was a great general despite short comings. But, Grant is considered to have been a poor President. Let’s hope the analogy between Newt and Grant doesn’t go too far.
Maybe she's trying to tell us that Newt drinks.
Reagan had a way of making people feel that he was on our side and we were on his side.
Sorry, Newtonians, but Newt has a way of alienating people, of making us feel that his fight isn't quite our fight and our fight isn't his.
What are folks supposed to do, when a guy like Newt sticks his head up the Whack a Mole device, and starts delivering excellent message?
Yes Newt, we all know that you're a Constitutional scholar. We know that you can debate. We just wonder why all that doesn't translate to you coming down on the right side of issues, over and over and over again.
Then someone laments the fact that a lot of folks know Newt for what he is, and they pull Grant out of the history books to rehab Newt.
It's disrespectful of Grant to use his memory in this manner, and it's preposterous to infer that Newt will turn out to be a figure like Grant. No, he won't.
Newt has proven over and over again what he will be. He will be Newt, a guy whose head is not glued on squarely. He screws up over and over again.
While he does understand the Constitution in retrospect, he has no clue how to incorporate those tenets into his every day life. Retrospect fine..., day to day horrible.
Careful, mention of Lincoln may call forth the undead zombie John Wilkes Booth brigade ...
It's only a matter of time ...
I appreciate the mention, and don’t disagree on point, but after watching another candidate compared to a list of people as long as my arm this last year, I can’t sign on to these endless comparisons even for my own guy.
Cain is a good man. You and I both know, we don’t have to compare him to others. The other candidates should be compared to him, and if that causes folks to see the value in him that I do, they will support him.
Hope you understand.
God help America in this time of distress and deception and delusion, in Jesus name, amen.
If we don't know/remember history, we have to constantly reinvent to wheel. Then we never get up to speed...
I’d love to have General Grant back in charge.
Regardless of his faults, he knew his enemy, and “he fights”.
I suspicion he will be tapping into her expertise - maybe Energy SEc? "Drill Here, Drill Now": & "Drill, Baby, Drill."
And he has mentioned Col West for VP - (and Col. West is receptive) can't get much more conservative than that.
That's my dream ticket - there' wouldn't be many demRats left, by election day, to vote. Their heads will have long ago exploded.
So if you've grasped that reality - isn't it time to get on board and start pulling the wagon from the right end?
"He has the right to criticize, who has the heart to help" Lincoln
In this day and age, the remember or repeat admonition is a solid one. I agree with it.
When it comes to people whose actions we can easily document, we can’t just ignore what they have done, when they want to be given more authority.
Newt has shot himself in the foot too many times. Remembering the lessons of Grant don’t erase that. That’s all I’m saying.
If Newt were to become president and sign on to the global warming nonsense, wouldn’t it be bad? That’s one example.
I wish it weren’t so, but Newt’s actions are not nearly as sound as his debating points.
That's rich, considering he's been the only civil one on the campaign trail.
I have a suggestion. Might you consider either posting valid criticisms, rather than just shoot randomly, or wake up and smell reality.
Barring something unforeseen, we will get either mittens or Newt.
Pick your man and spend your powder supporting him and put your bile in a basket.
We've got some serious enemies to fight.
But Cain isn't running.
Time to wake up and smell reality.
But CAin isn't running.
Not keeping very good track of 'your guy."
It will probably be Newt, much better than Romney IMHO though ANY Republican is better than Barry.
Aren’t we discussing comments made when he was?
<you say: “Neut is an internationalist, /One World Government supporter. It is his vision for America.”
Misinformed information or deliberate? (BTW, are you deliberately misspelling his name in a (failed) attempted to be funny?)
Name me ONE other candidate that even KNOWS what Agenda 21 is, let alone has a plan to protect us from it.
Oh, and remember, Newt also didn’t go to Harvard or Yale or other Ivy Lagues and major in One World Gov’t: 101
Grant was a reported Drunk! Great General though!
You say: “If Newt were to become president and sign on to the global warming nonsense, wouldnt it be bad?”
What is bad - and sad - to me, is people who rely almost wholly on media misinformation and denRat talking points for their information. You might - ? - enjoy this and then tell us how he’s going to sign on to GW?
“Newt Rips Gore’s ‘Facts’ To Pieces “
Note that this testimony was in 2009
Boring angry badger.
Now that Herman Cain has gone the way of Sarah Palin, I am left with Gingrich(untrustworthy a**hole), Perry(makes Bush sound like Clinton), Santorum(Eddie Haskell), and Bachmann(lying nutso)
Someone give me someone to VOTE FOR!
Newt will give me at least most of what I want.
A conservative congress will ensure that is all he can give me.
You said it, D1!
Too bad he is a socialist. He is very smart and a good speaker... all meant to disguise what he believes is good for Newt. He really is a narcissist.
Vote for Obama. Or you could stop listening to the MSM and GOP establishment.
Yes, and then he turns right around and participates in that global warming nonsense with Nancy Pelosi.
Which Newt are you supporting? Doesn’t matter, because the other Newt comes with the package.
Are you in favor of amnesty? Are you in favor of Newt saying he agrees with parts of Obamacare?
Thanks. I appreciate it.
Here’s the catch. Romney can throw the conservatives under the bus because they haven’t supported him at all during the primary—and everyone knows it. So when he’s President he can run left and say everyone knew I was really a lefty.
Newt on the other hand will have to deal with the backlash of losing his soft support from conservatives. Right now Newt is the safer bet.
The one thing Romney has over Newt though is that he’s actually ran something before. Newt did a good job recapturing the Congress for REPUBLICANS (not necessarily conservatives though).
Too bad Bachman didn’t live up to her potential. But who knows things may swing back around to her if she can speak in motivational sense and not get sucked into the press tricks. That’s the one reason I like Newt he appears to now be able to talk over the press and get his point across without getting stuck in their games.
Oh yah, some debate. Newt will end up agreeing with Bambi on nearly everything; he quivers in the presence of mighty liberals.
The folks at Club for Growth have white papers on all the GOP candidates summarizing their public records and does a pretty objective job. Looking at Newt’s I really was struck by how conservative Newt’s actual voting record was (which of course was mischaracterized by Jennifer Rubin, who I think must have been offered a post in a Romney administration. How else do you explain her going full spittle in support of Romney and anti-Newt?)., with most of the worrisome aspects of his record coming from speeches AFTER he left public office. This is pretty much the exact opposite of Romney, who has a very questionable record from his limited time in elected office, with most of his conservatism coming from campaign speeches. Anyway, let’s look at Newt’s actual record:
Voted YES on the Reagan tax cut of 1981
Voted YES on the Reagan tax reform bill of 1986
Voted NO on the George H.W. Bush “Read My Lips” tax hike in 1990.
Voted NO on the Clinton tax hike in 1993.
Voted YES on the capital gains tax cut in 1997.
Voted NO on the Chrysler bailout in 1979
Voted YES on the Gramm-Rudman balanced budget bill in 1985
Voted YES on a balanced budget amendment (as part of the “Contract for America” effort that he led) in 1995
Led the effort and voted YES to cut $16.4 billion from the budget in 1995.
Voted YES on welfare reform in 1996
I also decided to look myself at how much federal spending increased while Gingrich was Speaker of the House (1995-1999). By my calculations, Federal spending rose an average of 3.1% a year while he was speaker. When you compare it to the Presidential terms from Reagan on, this is the lowest rate of spending growth over the last 30 years. Under Reagan, spending grew an average of 7.6% a year. Under George H.W. Bush, 6.7%. Under Clinton, 3.3% (it would have been much more if he got his single payor health care plan through, also he was restrained by Newt later). Under W., it as 6.6% and under Obama, a whopping 8.6% a year. Also, under Newt, Federal spending as a % of GDP fell from 21% to 18.5%, a whopping decline in 4 short years.
Is his record perfect? Nope. Not even close. But the point is that on the big issues, he voted Conservative and helped champion balanced budgets and tax reform. Focusing on that actual voting record really makes me more comfortable with him. Especially when his main opponent is someone whose main accomplishment is a massive government healthcare program.
I will vote for Newt if he is the nominee!
You’re right. The reality is that Obozo’s chances of a second term just went up.
You just gave me the best reason I have seen for voting for Gingrich.
I think Newt will lose by about 1% greater margin than Romney will lose by.
Vote for Obama. Or you could stop listening to the MSM and GOP establishment.
I don’t understand your post. I would never vote for Obama and my opinions of the candidates that I mentioned are my own, not of the msm or the gop establishment.
[Dont blow a gasket....]
Something tells me he will anyway.......
We had a strong conservative promising a strong conservative agenda and delivering. The conservative Gingrich Republican Revolution of the 1990s was a continuance of the conservative Reagan Revolution started in the 1980s. Newt was an integral part of the first and the author of the second. I would challenge the Newt-haters who insist that Gingrich is some sort of liberal to name the 3rd most important conservative political figure in modern American politics. You can’t. It’s because Reagan is #1, Gingrich is #2, and everyone else is so far back everyone else is essentially tied for last.
Has Newt Gingrich said and done some less-than-conservative things, both privately and publicly? Absolutely. So did Ronald Reagan, by which we all measure a politician’s conservatism. Reagan brought us Sandra Day O’Connor, amnesty, and some other mis-steps, but the good things that he has done so far outweigh his mistakes that we revere him today. Do you Newt-haters also hate Reagan? If not, why not? Because of Reagan’s overall record? The one that Newt helped make possible? How is Newt’s overall record any less conservative than Reagan’s? It’s not. Again, the 90’s Republican Revolution was getting the 80’s Reagan Revolution back on track after having been derailed by Bush I and Clinton.