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Newt: The Civil Warrior
American Thinker ^ | 12/3/2011 | Rosslyn Smith

Posted on 12/03/2011 10:22:20 AM PST by TBBT

Over the last couple of days, several well-regarded Republican pundits have taken it upon themselves to educate Republican primary voters about the many shortcomings of Newt Gingrich. As I read them, I was reminded of Abraham Lincoln's reaction to the series of military and political experts who warned him that Ulysses S. Grant was an overly ambitious, incompetent drunk. When these experts demanded Grant's removal after the then-unprecedented casualties at Battle of Shiloh in April 1862, Lincoln acknowledge Grant's shortcomings but responded, "I can't spare this man; he fights." Many of Grant's critics were enamored of George B. McClellan, a parade ground general who consistently overstated the strength of his Confederate opposition and who had long fancied himself the presidential frontrunner for 1864. The bottom line was that while McClellan considered himself the next Napoleon, it was apparent to Lincoln that it was Grant who actually had the rare 2 o'clock in the morning courage Napoleon himself so highly valued. In 1863, during Grant's siege of Vicksburg and amid his own growing unhappiness with the series of generals rotated through the leadership of the Army of the Potomac following McClellan's dismissal, Lincoln's reply to the incessant complaints of Grant's critics was even more pointed.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: churchill; grant; lincoln; newt
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To: DoughtyOne
Over the last two years, I’ve had my fill of candidates being compared to other people. I wish folks would just give it a rest. Good grief! A person rises and falls on their own merits, their own deeds or misdeeds.

If we don't know/remember history, we have to constantly reinvent to wheel. Then we never get up to speed...

21 posted on 12/03/2011 11:04:51 AM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: TBBT

I’d love to have General Grant back in charge.

Regardless of his faults, he knew his enemy, and “he fights”.


22 posted on 12/03/2011 11:08:07 AM PST by bigbob
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To: GOPJ
- maybe chat with Palin...

I suspicion he will be tapping into her expertise - maybe Energy SEc? "Drill Here, Drill Now": & "Drill, Baby, Drill."

And he has mentioned Col West for VP - (and Col. West is receptive) can't get much more conservative than that.

That's my dream ticket - there' wouldn't be many demRats left, by election day, to vote. Their heads will have long ago exploded.


23 posted on 12/03/2011 11:20:13 AM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Soothesayer9
He will throw conservatives under the bus at the first opportunity that suits him. That said, so will Romney. At this point we will end up with one of them.

So if you've grasped that reality - isn't it time to get on board and start pulling the wagon from the right end?

"He has the right to criticize, who has the heart to help" Lincoln

24 posted on 12/03/2011 11:24:19 AM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: maine-iac7

In this day and age, the remember or repeat admonition is a solid one. I agree with it.

When it comes to people whose actions we can easily document, we can’t just ignore what they have done, when they want to be given more authority.

Newt has shot himself in the foot too many times. Remembering the lessons of Grant don’t erase that. That’s all I’m saying.

If Newt were to become president and sign on to the global warming nonsense, wouldn’t it be bad? That’s one example.

I wish it weren’t so, but Newt’s actions are not nearly as sound as his debating points.


25 posted on 12/03/2011 11:24:33 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Romney, Newt, any chance whatsoever you might sometime pander to U.S. Citizens vs the illegals?)
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To: cripplecreek; All
He could certainly stand to read Washington’s Rules of Civility.

That's rich, considering he's been the only civil one on the campaign trail.

I have a suggestion. Might you consider either posting valid criticisms, rather than just shoot randomly, or wake up and smell reality.

Barring something unforeseen, we will get either mittens or Newt.

Pick your man and spend your powder supporting him and put your bile in a basket.

We've got some serious enemies to fight.

26 posted on 12/03/2011 11:33:49 AM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: meatloaf
If anyone should be compared to Grant it should be Cain

But Cain isn't running.

Time to wake up and smell reality.

27 posted on 12/03/2011 11:36:27 AM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: DoughtyOne
Cain is a good man. You and I both know, we don’t have to compare him to others. The other candidates should be compared to him, and if that causes folks to see the value in him that I do, they will support him.

But CAin isn't running.

Not keeping very good track of 'your guy."

28 posted on 12/03/2011 11:41:39 AM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Soothesayer9

It will probably be Newt, much better than Romney IMHO though ANY Republican is better than Barry.


29 posted on 12/03/2011 11:43:51 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: maine-iac7

Aren’t we discussing comments made when he was?


30 posted on 12/03/2011 11:47:29 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Romney, Newt, any chance whatsoever you might sometime pander to U.S. Citizens vs the illegals?)
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To: geologist; All

<you say: “Neut is an internationalist, /One World Government supporter. It is his vision for America.”

Misinformed information or deliberate? (BTW, are you deliberately misspelling his name in a (failed) attempted to be funny?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVD_R2WQOVw

Name me ONE other candidate that even KNOWS what Agenda 21 is, let alone has a plan to protect us from it.

Oh, and remember, Newt also didn’t go to Harvard or Yale or other Ivy Lagues and major in One World Gov’t: 101


31 posted on 12/03/2011 11:47:29 AM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Soothesayer9

Grant was a reported Drunk! Great General though!


32 posted on 12/03/2011 11:52:47 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: DoughtyOne; All

You say: “If Newt were to become president and sign on to the global warming nonsense, wouldn’t it be bad?”

What is bad - and sad - to me, is people who rely almost wholly on media misinformation and denRat talking points for their information. You might - ? - enjoy this and then tell us how he’s going to sign on to GW?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7VUg7nG3lw&feature=related

“Newt Rips Gore’s ‘Facts’ To Pieces “

Note that this testimony was in 2009


33 posted on 12/03/2011 11:54:19 AM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: TBBT

Boring angry badger.


34 posted on 12/03/2011 11:55:26 AM PST by Lady on the Lake
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To: TBBT

Now that Herman Cain has gone the way of Sarah Palin, I am left with Gingrich(untrustworthy a**hole), Perry(makes Bush sound like Clinton), Santorum(Eddie Haskell), and Bachmann(lying nutso)

Someone give me someone to VOTE FOR!


35 posted on 12/03/2011 11:56:31 AM PST by Grunthor (Pro-illegal alien "conservatives" piss me off.)
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To: CSI007

Newt will give me at least most of what I want.

A conservative congress will ensure that is all he can give me.


36 posted on 12/03/2011 11:57:44 AM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: DoughtyOne

You said it, D1!


37 posted on 12/03/2011 12:00:37 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: maine-iac7
accidental misspelling. Newt says what sounds good ... he does. But when it comes to voting he often votes otherwise/ the opposite of his rhetoric.

Too bad he is a socialist. He is very smart and a good speaker... all meant to disguise what he believes is good for Newt. He really is a narcissist.

38 posted on 12/03/2011 12:00:37 PM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Grunthor

Vote for Obama. Or you could stop listening to the MSM and GOP establishment.


39 posted on 12/03/2011 12:01:37 PM PST by Peter from Rutland
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To: maine-iac7

Yes, and then he turns right around and participates in that global warming nonsense with Nancy Pelosi.

Which Newt are you supporting? Doesn’t matter, because the other Newt comes with the package.

Are you in favor of amnesty? Are you in favor of Newt saying he agrees with parts of Obamacare?

No thanks.


40 posted on 12/03/2011 12:02:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Romney, Newt, any chance whatsoever you might sometime pander to U.S. Citizens vs the illegals?)
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