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McCain: Arizona 'up for grabs' in 2012 (McCain says GOP must pander to Hispanics, calls for amnesty)
The Hill, Washington, DC ^ | 2011-12-04 | Peter Schroeder

Posted on 12/04/2011 7:33:09 AM PST by rabscuttle385

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said his home state could be "up for grabs" in the 2012 presidential election, due in large part to the growing numbers of Hispanic voters.

"The demographics are clear that the Hispanic vote will play a major role in national elections," he said on CNN's "State of the Union."

However, higher numbers of Hispanic voters does not guarantee Obama an edge according to McCain, who said his inability to meet some campaign promises on immigration makes that voting bloc competitive.

The most recent GOP candidate went so far as to say New Mexico, Colorado, and even Texas could become competitive battlegrounds in presidential elections. And Republican candidates will need to strike a "careful balance" on immigration when trying to court those voters.

“The Republican Party has to discuss this in as humane a way as possible," he said.

Republicans need to find a humane way to deal with illegal immigrants that have made it to American and built lives here, but at the same time secure the border and ensure any plan for existing illegal immigrants does not trigger another "wave" of people who think getting over the border will ensure their continued stay in America.

"We have to have empathy, we have to have concern and we have to have a plan," he added. “But at the same time, to say that we are going to have insecure borders…that’s not the message we want to send."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 2012gopprimary; aliens; amnesty; arizona; bho44; dnc4mccain; hispandering; humanesolution; illegals; immigration; mcamnesty; mcbama; mccain; mccain4obama; mccaintruthfile; mcqueeg; rino; soros4mccain

1 posted on 12/04/2011 7:33:17 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

So the solution is to import 100M new america-hating welfare parasites and hope we can bribe >50% of them to vote for GOP.

I’m so sick of this amnesty crap. Vast majority of country opposes amnesty in any form and want to have border secured. The problem is people like McCain, Perry and Newt.

Even majority of (legal) hispanics oppose amnesty.

Anything else can be changed later (tax rates, judges etc), but this is the defining issue of our lifetime. If we give up and surrender now, our country is doomed permanently.

We must stop Perry and Newt.


2 posted on 12/04/2011 7:37:18 AM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (just say no to amnesty))
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To: rabscuttle385

Up for grabs? As in “Democrat” takeover??? The way I see it’s pretty much already there.


3 posted on 12/04/2011 7:38:41 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (Disgusted with it all.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Hehe, haha, hoho, ho, humm, they’re coming to take him away hehe, haha, hoho, ho, humm.


4 posted on 12/04/2011 7:41:51 AM PST by donhunt (Certified and proud "Son of a Bitch".)
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To: rabscuttle385
This guy is certainly as brilliant as Newt. We really should take another look at this guy!!!!!!
5 posted on 12/04/2011 7:42:16 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: rabscuttle385

If 12 million illegals went home, the single biggest group to benefit would be blacks. The 2nd biggest group to benefit would be legal Hispanics.


6 posted on 12/04/2011 7:42:20 AM PST by umgud
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To: Mygirlsmom

Thanks, Newt.

Now AMNESTY is the respected republican position on immigration. Anyone who dares utter anything else will be considered an extremist racist nazi.

The new center has been established thanks to Newt Gingrich and it is outright amnesty for all Mexicans in hopes to bribe them to vote GOP.


7 posted on 12/04/2011 7:45:37 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: rabscuttle385
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said his home state could be "up for grabs" in the 2012 presidential election, due in large part to the growing numbers of Hispanic voters.

No, it WILL be up for grabs because the GOP has an incombant senator in AZ that is driving it to be up for grabs via his idiotic policies and speak!

8 posted on 12/04/2011 7:46:53 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: rabscuttle385
What is Juan smoking? From his own hometown liberal AZ Rag....... Arizona may be out of Obama's reach in '12, poll indicates

Boy that 2008 conservative conversion didn't last very long, Juan!!
9 posted on 12/04/2011 7:50:22 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: rabscuttle385

... at least Sen. McCain had the good grace to carry is own state during the 2008 Presidential election!


10 posted on 12/04/2011 7:50:57 AM PST by Ken522
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To: rabscuttle385

But...but...but...in his reelection effort we were told he was strong on the borders! He even had his picture taken by the border! How can this be?! Sarah Palin vouched for him!

/s


11 posted on 12/04/2011 7:52:42 AM PST by EternalVigilance (You might want to consider the distinct possibility that they are all wrong.)
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To: rabscuttle385
"The demographics are clear that the Hispanic vote will play a major role in national elections," he said on CNN's "State of the Union."


Hey RINO, "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining."
12 posted on 12/04/2011 7:53:42 AM PST by fallujah-nuker (Pat Buchanan, kryptonite to RINO's)
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To: EternalVigilance
What is Juan smoking?

Arizona may be out of Obama's reach in '12, poll indicates
13 posted on 12/04/2011 8:00:16 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: EternalVigilance
He even had his picture taken by the border!


14 posted on 12/04/2011 8:04:35 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; bcsco

ping!


15 posted on 12/04/2011 8:05:04 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m curious why people are blaming McCain when he is just promoting the position of the frontrunning GOP candidate Newt Gingrich? They’re on the exact same page when it comes to immigration.


16 posted on 12/04/2011 8:08:12 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: rabscuttle385
STHU MC CAIN!!!!
17 posted on 12/04/2011 8:10:05 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: rabscuttle385
STHU MC CAIN!!!!
18 posted on 12/04/2011 8:10:41 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: bigdirty
"he is just promoting the position of the frontrunning GOP candidate"

yeah, Newt thinks we should allow 11 million new workers into the workers paradise that he has a plan to build.

19 posted on 12/04/2011 8:15:02 AM PST by jpsb (USMC inactive (long time inactive, lol))
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To: rabscuttle385
Keep an eye out for who this hispanic "republican" group supports. (Somos Republicans) They encourage the GOP to use the tea party to gain power only to toss us aside.

How Un-American is the TEA PARTY

Are they so “irrational” and merely a self-centered group revolutionary geezers that do not hold American ideal and thus attack our American values—Democracy, Capitalism and Constitutionalism. Strategically, it seems like the right thing to do for Republican to utilize the Tea Party to diminish Obama’s agenda. But it is also time for Republicans that realize that this people merely using the flag colors as facade to promote un-American agenda. While they do have the right to dissent, sadly, their agenda pushed by special interest in Sacramento and D.C. do not embody the original best American values.

Naughty and nice list as of last year

Actions Of 2010 Will Be Remembered in 2012
20 posted on 12/04/2011 8:19:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: rabscuttle385

John McCain - Reminding us why he LOST in 2008


21 posted on 12/04/2011 8:21:42 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: bigdirty

Careful now!

Don’t confuse the lemmings, they won’t know which cliff to walk over.


22 posted on 12/04/2011 8:21:55 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: bigdirty

Careful now!

Don’t confuse the lemmings, they won’t know which cliff to walk over.


23 posted on 12/04/2011 8:21:58 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: rabscuttle385
The most recent GOP candidate went so far as to say New Mexico, Colorado, and even Texas could become competitive battlegrounds in presidential elections.

Texas!!!

I challenge anyone to go to the electoral map at 270toWin.com, start with the results of the 2008 election, add AZ and TX to the Obama column and then find a way for the GOP to win in 2012. You get to take back a lot of states that Obama should never have won but you will need to win a lot of traditionally Dem states to pull it out. I personally don't think it can be done. Texas is just to big deal for us to lose.

We are NOT going to lose Texas in 2012. But how about 2016 or 2020 or 2024? At some point TX is going to be at risk. That will happen if the Hispanic vote continues to split between D and R like it has in the past. The GOP needs Texas as a swing state like a hole in the head. I don't think we can let that happen. But right now I'm worried about it.

24 posted on 12/04/2011 8:29:22 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: rabscuttle385

Juan is using the figures from the last bogus “census”. A lot of those illegal aliens that were counted have left the state because of SB 1070.


26 posted on 12/04/2011 8:38:26 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Why is McCain such a bigot? Why does he think that ALL Hispanic people are inveterate law-breakers? That they are all reprobates?

Petty, selfish and totally without morals?

McCain of course does not think that.

McCain of course speaks for Americans dependent upon servile, compliant and taxpayer-subsidized cheap labor -- or at least taxpayer money to support the cheap labor families. McCain also speaks for the Hispanic civil-rights industry who are also dependent upon taxpayer-subsidized masses.

McCain has zero interest in Americans who need those jobs, my friend. They don't have any money to give him, my friend.

27 posted on 12/04/2011 8:40:58 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: InterceptPoint
Sooner or later. Looking at county by county election maps, it won't be as long as some think. You also have to consider the fact that illegals get representation based on census numbers.

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28 posted on 12/04/2011 8:44:07 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Gaffer
It is the height of hypocracy and makes me ashamed that I took it up the keester and voted for his sorry ass in the last election.

Even Romney was preferable to McQueeg.

He is only complaining now because he thinks that his Senatorship will be in jeopardy because his state base is increasing in hispanic content;

More likely, he is concerned about the prospects of young Meghan succeeding to his seat. Don't you know that's the plan...???

29 posted on 12/04/2011 8:59:23 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: InterceptPoint

There is a way. Start applying the 14th amendment in its intended form and disenfranchise the children of illegal immigrants. Problem solved.


30 posted on 12/04/2011 9:15:02 AM PST by NorthStarStateConservative (Springtime in America will arrive on January 21, 2013.)
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To: rabscuttle385
"McCain: Arizona up grabs"

I guess McCain and his fellow Democrats are feeling pretty confident this year.
31 posted on 12/04/2011 10:01:02 AM PST by mkjessup (I STILL stand with Herman Cain!!)
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To: NorthStarStateConservative

There is a way. Start applying the 14th amendment in its intended form and disenfranchise the children of illegal immigrants. Problem solved.
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I’m assuming you mean to include those children of illegal immigrants who are aleady citizens and not just those born in the future in your disenfranchisement plan. I agree that the whole idea of “anchor babies” was a huge mistake but it is a mistake we made and, even if we correct that problem in the future, the damage is mostly done.

But I’m afraid that taking the vote away from those anchor babies is just not going to happen. And if not, the Latino voting population is going to grow faster than the general population. I still don’t see any way out of this short of convincing Latinos to vote GOP in greater percentages than they currently are.


32 posted on 12/04/2011 10:08:01 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: heiss
We must stop Perry and Newt.

So your solution is what? To promote Mitt, the biggest RINO of the bunch?

33 posted on 12/04/2011 10:52:24 AM PST by calex59
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To: jpsb
yeah, Newt thinks we should allow 11 million new workers into the workers paradise that he has a plan to build.

The plan is to hoodwink Americans into thinking some systematic sorting, welcoming and deporting process will occur, whereby the (grossly underestimated) 11 million are acceptably attenuated. It's both disingenuous and unworkable--Newt knows it and we know it, and he no doubt knows we know it.

34 posted on 12/04/2011 10:53:53 AM PST by Calliecat
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To: calex59

Biggest issue and most important for the future of this country is illegal immigration. Second one is reforming entitlements, i.e medicare. In both cases, Newt is openly and fanatically on liberal side. His “radical rightwing social engineering” accusation will destroy tea party for a decade.

Under no circumstances will I vote for that amnesty friek. On these topics, Newt is clearly the most dangerous.

I understand that for some freepers, amnesty and bashing conservatives in 2011 is fine.


35 posted on 12/04/2011 11:16:49 AM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (just say no to amnesty))
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To: rabscuttle385

Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if McInsane campaigned for Hussein. He has lost whatever marbles he once had.


36 posted on 12/04/2011 11:57:59 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: InterceptPoint

These are the kinds of concerns that need to be squarely placed before the free trade cheap labor freaks that got us in this nightmare. No one in GOP really seemed to get it when they voted against immigration enforcement in favor of campaign contributions. Now we lose the “political nation “ and set up our kids for a life of serfdom. If folks are so cheap labor crazy why can’t we load up a barge and go pick up the Egyptian Copts that are getting slaughtered and stop by Vietnam also.Now a bunch of frigging GOP whores have destroyed this nation and Newt will carry forth the same dam* banner.


37 posted on 12/04/2011 12:09:46 PM PST by magna carta
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To: InterceptPoint

“But I’m afraid that taking the vote away from those anchor babies is just not going to happen. And if not, the Latino voting population is going to grow faster than the general population. I still don’t see any way out of this short of convincing Latinos to vote GOP in greater percentages than they currently are.”

Entirely correct on your first point. Short of changing what’s written in the Fourteenth Amendment, this simply isn’t going to happen. Those who profess that Congressional action will suffice to alter that, are beyond dreaming — they’re delusional.

And you are also right on your second point. Hispanics are (and will remain) the fastest-growing demographic in America. There are actions that could be taken to change that, but those actions that would be needed to change it are so draconian or totalitarian that the vast majority of Euro-Americans would shy away from them.

You’re pretty much correct in your final sentence, but what you wish for isn’t going to happen. I would hazard a guess (and it’s ONLY “a guess”) that about the highest percentage of “the Hispanic vote” that the GOP/conservatives are ever going to see is in the 35-40% range, if that high.

If there are 20 million Hispanics, that vote (at best) will go:
- Republican, 8 million
- Democrat, 12 million
.... a spread of 4 million votes.

When they become 30 million, the vote will then be:
- Republican, 12 million
- Democrat, 18 million
... then with a spread of 6 million votes.

What this means is that the Republican party and American Euro-conservatives are destined to be confronted by an ever-increasing Hispanic demographic that guarantees a higher vote total for the left and the ‘rats with each successive generation/election.

In the name of egalitarianism, are we supposed to look forward to a future such as this?


38 posted on 12/04/2011 1:35:12 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Road Glide

In the name of egalitarianism, are we supposed to look forward to a future such as this?
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Unfortunately, it’s the one I foresee.


39 posted on 12/04/2011 1:42:03 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Recovering_Democrat

He may not have blatantly campaigned for Hussein, but he sure threw the election to him. We all watched him do it. We (probably most) watched his well-prepared concession at 10 PM or so while Calif. results were still coming in. I’d never seen an election thrown like that in nearly 70 years.


40 posted on 12/04/2011 5:52:00 PM PST by CatDancer (Tag line is in the oven baking.)
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To: heiss
Biggest issue and most important for the future of this country is illegal immigration.

A lot of people, especially those who support the illegal-friendly candidates, and by the way those illegals are "criminals" - that's what we should be calling them, try to downplay the seriousness of the illegal immigrant problem.

The problem is, the illegal immigrants have been coming in and having a lot of kids. Within two generations, the GOP will never win control of the White House or Congress again thanks to the anchor babies. Texas will be there within 10-15 years, and without Texas, the GOP will never win control of the White House or Congress again.
41 posted on 12/04/2011 9:54:16 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: heiss
Nope, the biggest problem facing America today is the anti-gun legislation that keeps rearing its head in an attempt to disarm the American Citizen. Many states and cities already have what amounts to total disarmament of citizens.

While immigration is one of the top 3 concerns it is not the highest on my list. As for amnesty, I am totally against it, I am also totally(even more so)against National health insurance and the banning of firearms, these two are tops on my list.

Mitt Romney is a total frickin' RINO and there is no other word to describe him except maybe sleaze bag. I will vote for either Perry or Newt(don't really want Newt)in the Primary. Hopefully enough people voting Republican will keep Romney off the ticket.

Vote for who you want but you are a total fool if you vote for Romney.

42 posted on 12/04/2011 10:19:27 PM PST by calex59
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