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McCain: Hispanic vote 'up for grabs'
Christian Science Monitor ^ | December 4, 2011 | Anne Flaherty

Posted on 12/04/2011 6:29:33 PM PST by presidio9

Sen. John McCain said Sunday that the potentially powerful Hispanic vote in the upcoming presidential election remains "up for grabs" because neither President Barack Obama nor Republicans have convinced these voters that they are on their side.

The one-time GOP presidential hopeful, whose own 2008 candidacy was shaped in part by immigration, said that large Hispanic populations in his home state of Arizona and elsewhere are listening carefully to what Republican candidates have to say on immigration and could become a "major factor" in 2012.

"I think that the Republican Party has to discuss this issue in as humane way as possible," he said. He later added, "The enthusiasm on the part of Hispanics for President Obama is dramatically less than it was in 2008, because he has not fulfilled his campaign promises either. So I view the Hispanic vote up for grabs."

McCain comment, on CNN's "State of the Union," is a warning to the GOP primary candidates who have mostly embraced a hard line on immigration, lest they be accused of supporting any kind of "amnesty" for the some 12 million illegal immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S.

Newt Gingrich was most recently attacked by his opponents for saying he would grant legal status to those with longstanding family and community ties; he has since endorsed a South Carolina law that allows police to demand a person's immigration status.

McCain said he believes the Hispanic vote could sway Arizona, Colorado and New Mexico. The key, he said, was for Republicans to address immigration in a humane and pragmatic way that every voter could appreciate. More specifically, McCain said, GOP presidential candidates should find a way to address the status of illegal immigrants already in the country while finding a way to secure the border to

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Mexico; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Colorado; US: South Carolina
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1 posted on 12/04/2011 6:29:35 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

McCain is senile.


2 posted on 12/04/2011 6:30:32 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: presidio9

Hey Juan! This is probably a silly question but when were illegal aliens given the right to vote and who gave it to them? Somebody needs to be doing the “perp walk”.


3 posted on 12/04/2011 6:32:39 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I am under on illusions of the Republican party's ability to gain more than a third of a demographic that will tend to be of relatively low income for the forseeable future. OTOH, I can see a scenario where Hispanics break as hard left as the African American community. This will depend on the DNC's (and its puppet media's) ability to sell the narrative that Right's motives are partially based on racism.

Meanwhile, the labor unions are strong opponents of immigration, and 83% of Hispanics oppose abortion, versus 72% of Conservatives, according to Pew research.

That being said, I do agree that McCain could hide his own Easter Eggs. I'm looking forward to Sarah Palin replacing him.

4 posted on 12/04/2011 6:37:26 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Yeah. Guess time to give up and surrender, learn spanish adopt the gang sign and go back of the line to wait what the gov gives me.
We had a pretty nice run here as an american country.

Time for change.
I will learn to love amnesty and Newt.

Amnesty2012!


5 posted on 12/04/2011 6:43:10 PM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (just say no to amnesty))
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To: Jim Robinson

Seems kinda racist lumping all Hispanics into one group, He should have said the American vote is up for grabs


6 posted on 12/04/2011 6:49:06 PM PST by mriguy67
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To: heiss
Yeah. Guess time to give up and surrender, learn spanish adopt the gang sign and go back of the line to wait what the gov gives me.

Be honest: You're you using the same speechwriter Obama had when he said Republicans wanted dirtier air, and dirtier water, right?

7 posted on 12/04/2011 6:50:49 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
This is probably a silly question but when were illegal aliens given the right to vote and who gave it to them?

Either you need to read the article before posting, or someone needs to explain to you why not all Hispanics are illegal aliens.

8 posted on 12/04/2011 6:55:54 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Sen. John McCain said ...
Calla te Juan.


9 posted on 12/04/2011 6:59:24 PM PST by tumblindice (No compromise, no prisoners, no quarter)
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To: presidio9
. . . or someone needs to explain to you why not all Hispanics are illegal aliens.

Yes.

And why not all Hispanics are Democrats nor support liberal agendas. Even the term, "Hispanic", blurs the reality of individuals and groups with frequently different, sometimes competing, interests and goals, by dumping them into one big monolithic pot.

10 posted on 12/04/2011 7:14:16 PM PST by Racehorse (Always preach the Gospel . . . . Use words if necessary.)
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To: Racehorse
We're on the same page here, I think. See my post #4 to JimRob, who I usually try to avoid disagreeing with in public.

When people on this website make the mistake of assuming that all Hispanics are illegal aliens, it not only helps the DNC "racist" narrative, but it also gives the impression to moderates that everyone here is a radical.

11 posted on 12/04/2011 7:21:18 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks presidio9.


12 posted on 12/04/2011 7:22:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Racehorse

OK, put this in your pipe and smoke it then: Not all “hispanics” are illegal aliens (certainly) but a majority of illegal aliens are “hispanic.”


13 posted on 12/04/2011 7:30:30 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: presidio9

It’s the new GOP, same as the Old GOP!


14 posted on 12/04/2011 7:32:52 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: presidio9

You’re irrelevant, McLame. Just sit down and shut up, OK?


15 posted on 12/04/2011 7:34:22 PM PST by Walrus (Big government is the natural enemy of liberty)
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To: Jim Robinson

I disagree he isn’t senile just slick.

He is trying to make a case for Republicans catering to the illegal immigrant amnesty debate, by getting them to back amnesty and the illegals.The same as he does.


16 posted on 12/04/2011 7:40:59 PM PST by Venturer
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To: presidio9
For God's sake, why does anyone give a rat's patoot what John McCain says. Even on his best day he is as corrupt as Barney Frank.

As for the sainted “Hispanic” vote, The Republicans will get their usual 20% or so. But that will not stop them from pandering to La Raza and others.
Just like their pilgrimages to the NAACP to try to get the Black vote. In the end, they get 5%. On rare occasions they might get 10%.

17 posted on 12/04/2011 7:41:19 PM PST by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: SoConPubbie

What the heck, why not just hoist the Mexican flag over the White House.


18 posted on 12/04/2011 7:42:39 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: tumblindice
OK, put this in your pipe and smoke it then: Not all “hispanics” are illegal aliens (certainly) but a majority of illegal aliens are “hispanic.”

This was the comment he was referring to:

Hey Juan! This is probably a silly question but when were illegal aliens given the right to vote and who gave it to them?

19 posted on 12/04/2011 7:43:35 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Walrus

McCain had his opportunity to mastermind this problem four years ago and he fought for us like a wild

kitten. Oy, if he’s going to keep kibitzing on strategy without a cue in his hand, he should chalk his nose.

2012 is a re-boot.

Tsuris, what a world, what a world*


20 posted on 12/04/2011 7:44:10 PM PST by tumblindice (*The good news: my daughter met a doctor! She is an intern what I am saying is the bad news)
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To: presidio9

And John McCain thought it was also a good idea to address La Raza...


21 posted on 12/04/2011 7:50:38 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: presidio9

You ass-u-med that the poster meant to include legal “hispanic” citizens (who might have received amnesty in `86) when he expressly stated “illegal aliens.”

Responding to the call of the question the correct answer is that illegal aliens should not have the right to vote, but if it were possible to give it to them, John McCain or Newt Gingrich would probably try to see if that could be accomplished ... since “hispanics” were such an important factor in the 2008 election.


22 posted on 12/04/2011 7:51:39 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: tumblindice

Gigrich, in any event, is going out of his way to make sure that illegals do NOT get the right to vote, by proposing deportation for most of them, and offering the small percentage who remain legal status, but not citizenship.


23 posted on 12/04/2011 7:57:00 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Me hopes that McCain will shut up until the general election is over. He really hasn’t contributed anything to our party. In fact he’s done more damage than good. Plus he made things worse by bringing up his dingbat daughter in his image.


24 posted on 12/04/2011 8:39:40 PM PST by AdamBomb
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To: tumblindice
OK, put this in your pipe and smoke it then: Not all "hispanics" are illegal aliens (certainly) but a majority of illegal aliens are "hispanic."

LOL. No. They are not.

The only place you can find someone willing to be called "Hispanic" is in the United States, simply because the Nixon administration wanted a census category to lump people from or descended from Spanish speaking countries. Look how successful they were by the number of posters who routinely use the term like it actually describes something or somebody identifiable.

You and I are really not at odds over the essential point I think you want to make: the majority of illegal aliens come from south of our southern border and by-and-large they speak Spanish.

25 posted on 12/04/2011 9:02:04 PM PST by Racehorse (Always preach the Gospel . . . . Use words if necessary.)
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To: presidio9

How did McCain’s “humane way” work out for him in 2008? Of the three states he mentioned, 0bama won two: Colorado and New Mexico—and took about 2/3 of the Hispanic vote nationwide. McCain is a prophet without honor, and we should accord him none.


26 posted on 12/04/2011 10:11:01 PM PST by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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To: presidio9

Why are we redicuded to the mere color of our skin before politicians in regard to our vote?

Why must I be seen as a white, a black, or a Hispanic? Have I not a mind of my own, the ability to think and judge for myself?

The very idea that ethic groups should vote in unison is revolting. While polls and social & ideological pressure from within and without theses groups might support the idea. I think it simply sick.

If you are going to identify a man identify him by his choices not what he was born as!


27 posted on 12/04/2011 11:13:29 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: presidio9

It’s easy to see where Meghan got her intelligence.


28 posted on 12/04/2011 11:38:45 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: presidio9

Shut up McCain and sit down.


29 posted on 12/05/2011 12:09:18 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: presidio9

oh great..we pick up say another 5-10% of their bloc?

the lackluster way they vote, that’s only 1/2 to 1 percent of total votes

you wanna mine votes?

go for the soft cracker middle

that is where elections are won

pandering to minorities pays little dividends for now

maybe one day as latinos further eclipse blacks that could change but for now unless you shift 25-50% of them...fuggedabout it

much easier to sway 7% of whites than 50% of latinos


30 posted on 12/05/2011 12:33:34 AM PST by wardaddy (Michelle, Sarah, Perry now Newt over Mitt.....that is how I've seen it and it's where we are)
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To: presidio9

Wrong, wrong, and wrong, it was the illegals in the service union that got dingbat Harry Reid reelected. And the unions know it will be easy to get more illegals to join.


31 posted on 12/05/2011 2:13:40 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: presidio9

If latinos oppose abortion, why is it legal in mexico city??? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090126170309AA2Bs5S


32 posted on 12/05/2011 2:19:41 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: presidio9

If this is going to be the direction of his campaign, shouldn’t he be pitching it in Mexico or Guatamala?


33 posted on 12/05/2011 3:51:22 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: org.whodat
Wrong, wrong, and wrong, it was the illegals in the service union that got dingbat Harry Reid reelected.

Illegals don't vote. Please try again.

34 posted on 12/05/2011 4:23:44 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: org.whodat
If latinos oppose abortion, why is it legal in mexico city??? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090126170309AA2Bs5S

For the purposes of this discussion, the only relevant information is what Hispanics in this country care about. That being said, from the link you provided:

Abortion is only legal if the woman was raped, or the pregnancy represents a mayor risk for the woman's health,

35 posted on 12/05/2011 4:27:44 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Labor Unions may have once been on the side of immigration restriction, but they aren’t anymore. Groups like the AFL-CIO are leftist organizations first and foremost. They’ve betrayed their members on immigration, apparently betting instead on the permanent power immigration-driven demographic changes may give to Democrats.


36 posted on 12/05/2011 7:22:52 PM PST by Aetius
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To: presidio9

Do you really believe that if Newt were to become President and pass his Red Card nonsense, that it would actually stand? Do you really think that the red-carded wouldn’t eventually be granted a path to citizenship?

Even if the Democrats went along initially (as a calculated first step), eventually the policy would be attacked as creating second class citizens. Proponents of this policy will become the new racists, bigots, xenophobes, etc.

And there is no reason to think Newt would have the backbone or right state of mind to either stand up to or ignore this garbage. In fact it would probably be the opposite.

Remember, Newt completely sold out and betrayed conservatives on racial preferences back in the 90s. He could have passed a strong, popular anti-racial preferences bill (as he pretty much promised to do before he was actually Speaker) that would have been hard for Clinton to veto. But once he actually had the power and position to do this, he changed his tune.

He’s never been called to account for this unfortunately.


37 posted on 12/05/2011 7:34:17 PM PST by Aetius
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To: presidio9
There is the damndest bit of conventional wisdom/urban myth floating around in regard to Mexico and Catholicism. Certainly a majority of Mexicans are some sort of Roman catholics.

However the Mexican Constitution specifically forbids the church to own property, for clerics to publicly wear clerical garb, and at the beginning of the present political era, priests were hunted down and liquidated, convents destroyed, etc etc. Mexico is NOT a "Catholic country."

Huge numbers of Mexicans have also been converted by protestant missionary activity (also technically illegal). Here in the US, the Catholics have gone all out to make them welcome.

38 posted on 12/06/2011 6:45:40 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?)
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To: org.whodat
"illegals got dingbat Harry Reid reelected. "

Isn't this just maddening! We are supposed to pretend that we don't know that many hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens, and many LEGAL aliens who do have the right, are illegally registered across the US.

WTF? I am not worried. Karl Rove tells me that they are the "Republicans of the Future."

39 posted on 12/06/2011 7:04:38 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?)
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To: org.whodat
"illegals got dingbat Harry Reid reelected. "

Isn't this just maddening! We are supposed to pretend that we don't know that many hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens, and many LEGAL aliens who do NOT have the right, are illegally registered across the US.

WTF? I am not worried. Karl Rove tells me that they are the "Republicans of the Future."

40 posted on 12/06/2011 7:05:01 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?)
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To: presidio9
Illegals don't vote. Please try again.

Just curious, because I really don't know the answer to this - how many representatives would states like CA get if they did not count the illegal population? Does it make a difference?

41 posted on 12/06/2011 9:25:50 AM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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To: mriguy67
Seems kinda racist lumping all Hispanics into one group, He should have said the American vote is up for grabs

It's convenient for our overlords to convince the Hispanics that they're all one group and should all vote the same way, like some other groups. No thinking allowed!

42 posted on 12/06/2011 9:27:44 AM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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To: presidio9

No, it is not.

Where the voters identify as “Hispanic” or “Latino” or “Mexican-American” the majority will be Democrats, the party of tribalism and racial spoils.

If they identify as “American” they will be majority Republican.


43 posted on 12/06/2011 9:53:12 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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