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USPS wants to limit next-day service (Put a fork in 'em! They're Done!)
cnn ^ | 12/3/2011 | By Jennifer Liberto

Posted on 12/05/2011 4:39:32 AM PST by tobyhill

The U.S. Postal Service on Monday will announce a cost-savings proposal that would no longer deliver first-class mail on the next day.

The financially troubled agency will present to its overseers a proposal to change its national standard for first-class mail to two-to-five days from one-to-three, according to interviews with several mail industry officials who received a presentation by the agency this week.

"This isn't a change we're happy about," said Art Sackler, executive director of the National Postal Policy Council, a trade group for large mailers. "But if they don't cut somewhere and substantially, they're going to run out of cash next summer. It's one of the lesser evils."

Right now, customers on average receive mail the day after it was mailed, according the postal service. That may still happen, but a lot less frequently under the proposed rules, say the insiders who were briefed on the proposal.

The proposed rules are not a surprise. The postal service asked for public comment in September on "eliminating the expectation of overnight service" for first class mail. But it could have a major impact on customers, especially those who still use the mail to pay their bills.

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1 posted on 12/05/2011 4:39:36 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Could we please stop bailing out the USPS already? Let the Postal Service either reform itself, or die. Just because a post office is a Constitutionally authorized function of government doesn’t mean it’s a Constitutionally MANDATED function of government!


2 posted on 12/05/2011 4:48:10 AM PST by dinodino
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To: tobyhill

The next thing you know, the USPD will bring back the pony express to save on gasoline.


3 posted on 12/05/2011 4:50:29 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: tobyhill

If it doesn’t make a profit, then get rid of it.


4 posted on 12/05/2011 4:51:25 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: tobyhill

I’ve never had an expectation of overnight service for first-class mail.

Next the Postal Service will try introducing two-day e-mail.


5 posted on 12/05/2011 4:51:56 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: dinodino
Bail out what?

Dinodino, USPS is still self-financing. The fear is that with the Postal Rate Commission refusing appropriate rate changes, and Congress continuing to suck a $5.8 billion tribute out of the revenues every year it will end up unable to open the doors.

The law requires them to "break even", but if neither the PRC nor Congress agree with that concept any more, they won't "break even" and YOU will have to pay taxes to bail them out.

You are either for service changes to avoid a bail out, or you are against service changes, which will necessarily lead to a bail out.

Now, regarding Constitutionally mandated function of government, with the Constitution giving the federal government the exclusive authority, that's the way it turns out. Compound that with treaties with the rest of the world (including the Postal Union of the Americas and Spain) and you end up with a FEDERAL obligation to provide postal service of some kind ~ and the current system is the way it's done.

6 posted on 12/05/2011 4:57:34 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Agreed, this is the first I’ve heard of it too. I’ve always allowed 2 or 3 days locally. A week out of area. I have to wonder if this is along the lines of “We’re gonna cancel Big Bird” threats we hear out of PBS everytime their funding us threatened ...


7 posted on 12/05/2011 4:57:47 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Next the Postal Service will try introducing two-day e-mail.

That already exists. It's called a DIALUP CONNECTION...

8 posted on 12/05/2011 4:58:12 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Change the law ~ USPS is PROHIBITED by law from making a profit.


9 posted on 12/05/2011 4:58:24 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Two-day email!

Good shot.

Or maybe Obamacare delivery. How is it that anybody believes govt-related entities (Fannie/Freddie, anyone?) can deliver anything?


10 posted on 12/05/2011 4:58:39 AM PST by StAntKnee (I keep thinking I'm gonna wake up from this dream theatre of the absurd.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
They are so far in debt to the Postal Unions that they could cut everything and couldn't honor their contracts to the unions and it appears the unions aren't budging.
11 posted on 12/05/2011 4:59:39 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
I just caught that. LMAO.
12 posted on 12/05/2011 5:01:30 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: muawiyah

The USPS has lost billions this FY.

If the USPS must raise rates and further reduce their already dismal service levels in order to break even, then so be it. However, I am 100% opposed to ONE SINGLE DIME of taxpayer money going to these clowns!

As a business owner, I can tell you that I NEVER use USPS for any critical mail. I use Fedex for that.

Finally, yes, the Constitution grants the authority to establish Post Offices, but my point is that the Constitution does not say MUST establish Post Offices. On the day when the Post Office becomes a complete anachronism, we should eliminate it. Would you say that the U.S. *must* issue letters of marque and reprisal, just because the Constitution authorizes it? When was the last time we issued one of those?


13 posted on 12/05/2011 5:06:26 AM PST by dinodino
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To: tobyhill

So the government agency’s solution to loss of market share is to reduce customer service. Their brains are fried.


14 posted on 12/05/2011 5:07:08 AM PST by pleikumud
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To: tobyhill

I hope that changes at the Postals Service will finally result in my getting mail before 6:00 PM every night.


15 posted on 12/05/2011 5:08:39 AM PST by NRG1973
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To: tobyhill
Maybe change the pay and the unbelievable benefits. Way overpaid!!

My mail is late every day with the new mailman. The guy regularly picks up overtime.

Years ago, the mailman "visited" our office...and even had the gall to tell us he collects overtime every week.

16 posted on 12/05/2011 5:09:38 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: tobyhill

A great solution to losing customers... make your service crappier!


17 posted on 12/05/2011 5:13:58 AM PST by Pravious
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To: tobyhill

Look who is running our country and look who is running the post office. Both are running them into the ground.

My fear is that there will be no phoenix to rise from the ashes of this once great country.


18 posted on 12/05/2011 5:15:09 AM PST by Dacula
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To: dinodino
You do realize we don't issue letters of Marquis and Reprisal MOSTLY because the rest of the world has signed treaties to not do that.

On the other hand we employ Boeing to build war planes ~ there's no state "weapons factory" here ~ which, back in the days when Venice was about the only really civilized spot in Europe, that's how it was done.

Read the Constitution in light of the understanding of the world as seen by the Founders. It's a whole 'nuther world.

Regarding clowns, how about that advertising industry cutting it's mail volume in half? Hunh? What's that about? An economic collapse or something?

You know the private sector has let down USPS during the Great Obama Recession ~ and the voters too. Who put a clown like that in charge o the country?

Time for a change I'll tell you!

19 posted on 12/05/2011 5:15:45 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: tobyhill

The only time I use snail mail to send tax payments.


20 posted on 12/05/2011 5:15:45 AM PST by AU72
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To: muawiyah

with the Constitution giving the federal government the exclusive authority


Where do you get “exclusive” from?


21 posted on 12/05/2011 5:15:50 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: muawiyah

Of course I realize that—you are making my point for me: they are an ANACHRONISM. Unfortunately, it seems the Post Office is becoming one as well.

How did the “private sector...let down USPS?” We do not exist as a life support system for the union leeches at the Post Office!

It’s time for a change, all right: time for the USPS to go away, or perhaps just shrink down to a small, niche delivery service.


22 posted on 12/05/2011 5:19:38 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Beelzebubba

Yeah, good point, Beelzebubba. Looks like muawiyah editorialized a little there.


23 posted on 12/05/2011 5:20:43 AM PST by dinodino
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds"

...provided those rounds are conveniently appointed to meet our schedule....

24 posted on 12/05/2011 5:21:39 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: muawiyah

The problem is that the postal service is still the primary document transmission service for many. There is a legal system need to have signed documents and commerce needs to receive and send documents.

Although the need is severely diminished, it still exists. The only recourse is to have a sort of fee for services system. that is, the cost for the service to the diminishing group who need the service must increase. That means that your bank or cable company or electric company will charge you for mailing a paper statement.

Unlike the buggy whip manufacturer that could conserve capital by simply going out of business, ceasing production, the USPO must continue to serve the ever diminishing few


25 posted on 12/05/2011 5:24:47 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: tobyhill
It's not clear to me how delivering the mail more slowly would save money except that it probably would drive usage of the USPS down and so they would have less mail to sort, transport, and deliver.

ML/NJ

26 posted on 12/05/2011 5:24:53 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
I’ve never had an expectation of overnight service for first-class mail.

Back when I was in college (1965-68) a high school friend and I used to communicate by audio tape. This single three inch reel routinely made three round trips a week between Troy, NY and Ithaca, NY. (About 140 miles one way by car)

ML/NJ

27 posted on 12/05/2011 5:31:42 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: tobyhill

Fedx and UPS work great for next day. The USPS overnight is a duplication of service and they can retrench without impacting anyone or anything. USPS has fedx boxes, by contract, in their stations already. Its an overdue move.


28 posted on 12/05/2011 5:36:21 AM PST by x_plus_one (Obama: Brainwashing the masses to believe that racism is a greater danger than radical Islam)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

This is something I’m surprised Newt hasn’t jumped on. Full privatization of the USPS, or, some form of contracting it out to FedEx, UPS, etc.


29 posted on 12/05/2011 5:52:34 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: muawiyah
Change the law ~ USPS is PROHIBITED by law from making a profit.

That doesn't forbid them from taking in more revenue than goes out. The excess must be put back into the operation. Now, if we could only get to that point.

I say, sell 'em to FedEx -- along with Amtrak. Just to p*ss off the unions if nothing else.

30 posted on 12/05/2011 5:57:06 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: dinodino
It's still true that management gets the union it deserves. The unions at USPS are pretty tame, and, to a degree USPS management is fairly tame ~ actually timid.

Things I proposed (through PMG William F. Bolger) three decades ago are just now being adopted. You have to have disasters around there to get worthwhile decisions made.

They will save maybe 20% of the budget.

They could have been doing that all along ~

31 posted on 12/05/2011 6:01:32 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Beelzebubba

Original Intent ~ “they”, meaning the Founders, clearly intended to have a federal government post office ~ it’s a reserved power ~ the states don’t get to have their own (like they do in the EU).


32 posted on 12/05/2011 6:02:55 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: bert

Hello, FEDEX...that’s whom I use...


33 posted on 12/05/2011 6:04:16 AM PST by dinodino
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To: tobyhill
Without getting into the multitudinous fine points of USPS vs. UPS, FedEx, etc. let me make one point.....be careful what you ask for.

I recently made a move where I had to ship in excess of a hundred cartons over a period of months. This gave me an opportunity for some comparison shopping.

I used the "UPS STORES" first. These STORES are franchises and charge a left lung.

I then took the next batch to a UPS warehouse/service center. They were a couple dollars less expensive per box. Finally, I took a batch to the U.S. Post Office. I was pleasantly surprised, if not elated.

The USPS cost for cartons of about equal weight averaged about seven dollars less than THE UPS STORE and about five dollars less than the UPS warehouse.

My savings using U.S. Mail over the private companies resulted in great savings over the long haul, as you can see.

My local UPS STORE has a sandwich-board lure outside which advises potential customers it will meet U.S. Post Office rates for shipping. This proves my point.

I can live with the two day mail delivery being proposed. I'm not a dummy who throws the baby out with the bathwater.

I'll be shipping some Christmas presents soon, and will head for the Post Office where I'll realize a nice little savings over what would be my cost using private shippers.

Leni

34 posted on 12/05/2011 6:06:20 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: BfloGuy
No, the law clearly provides that USPS break even. The Postal Rate Commission allows them to charge costs incurred ~ but very carefully.

It's a highly regulated industry owned by the federal government.

They'd been able to make it through the Great Obama Recession except for the $5.8 billion additional charge laid on them to "balance the federal budget" ~ their own budget was balanced but Congress demanded they bail out the federal government.

Sorry, they are not big enough to do that, and then you people put this idiot Obama and his running dog lackeys in the White House and the rest of the economy went in the tank!

35 posted on 12/05/2011 6:07:05 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Declare bankruptcy, break the union contracts, and kill the unions. Fully cut the USPS loose to sink or swim. Problem solved.


36 posted on 12/05/2011 6:07:54 AM PST by dinodino
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
I’ve never had an expectation of overnight service for first-class mail

Me neither...possibly in local areas, but I normally don't get letters the day after they're mailed. I know that for a fact.

If I want a letter delivered Next Day, I send it Next Day Air.

37 posted on 12/05/2011 6:11:25 AM PST by dawn53
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To: pleikumud
So the government agency’s solution to loss of market share is to reduce customer service.

The USPS is not free to make the business decisions it believes are necessary. Congress only allows them to do certain things and prohibits others.

Really and truly, the USPS should be privatized and deregulated and relieved of its union contracts in the process.

38 posted on 12/05/2011 6:17:26 AM PST by Crichton
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To: muawiyah

You haven’t made the case for “exclusive.”


39 posted on 12/05/2011 6:22:35 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: dinodino

The Post Office never will be profitable, and was never designed to be. How can you be profitable with a mandate of daily delivery of mail to EVERY PERSON IN THE NATION? Its just not feasible.

On the same token though, the USPS has been mismanaged and congress certainly hasn’t helped its cause over the years at times either.

There is little doubt that EMAIl and Electronic Bill Pay has eroded the mail load, but I personally don’t think making sure every person in the country can get mail is a bad thing, and it is a function of government that is viable and useful, and if tax dollars are going to pay for services, this is one I don’t mind paying for.

Of all the crapola the government burns money on, I don’t think MAIL is the problem.


40 posted on 12/05/2011 6:23:50 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: bert

I know people in their 90s who still get a SS check in the mail. This despite the “changeover” to direct deposit. When I recently spoke with an agent about it, he said that for people that old the govt is going to make an exception and keep sending it snail. LOL, even the fed gov doesn’t want to argue with the greatest generation!


41 posted on 12/05/2011 6:23:57 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: tobyhill
The issue is that it doesn't matter what happens to the USPS, the Fedgov still has to pay the pensions.

Until we reform all of the budget, we are still screwed.

42 posted on 12/05/2011 6:37:40 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: bert

the USPO must continue to serve the ever diminishing few


Is that in the Constitution?

Or is there a “Bill of Musts” I haven’t heard about?


43 posted on 12/05/2011 6:50:16 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: ml/nj

It’s not clear to me how delivering the mail more slowly would save money


Centralizing sorting centers. Mail needs to follow a longer path, and they can reduce the cost by eliminating facilities.


44 posted on 12/05/2011 6:52:48 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: muawiyah

i find being able to mail a card across country for 44 cents a bargain. even at 50 cents it would still be a bargain. caveat: i pay my bills by mail and send birthday and holiday cards, but i am not a big volume user as some businesses are.


45 posted on 12/05/2011 6:55:08 AM PST by IWONDR
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To: dinodino

What has USPS in trouble is that like purely private companies it’s being forced to fund future health care costs (and perhaps pensions, I’m not sure?) as it goes. All government entities are permitted to cheat and not do that. But the USPS unions want to continue to splurge like their purely government brethren. The proper fix is to apply the real world rules to them as well and declare liberalism and its government unions all to be bankrupt.


46 posted on 12/05/2011 6:57:34 AM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: Beelzebubba

There is statute law that governs...... look it up


47 posted on 12/05/2011 7:15:37 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: tobyhill; All

Allowing more time for Democrat voter fraud in Mail-In Elections....


48 posted on 12/05/2011 7:24:23 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: HamiltonJay
What is breaking the back of the USPS is Congress' unfair and unreasonable mandates for pre-funding of union retiree health benefits. They lost $5.1 billion in FY'11, but the 2006 Congress bent them over the table for the unions, by forcing them to pre-fund 75 years worth of retiree health benefits in only TEN YEARS, a level required of no other government agency.

If it weren't for Congress, the USPS wouldn't be in this situation at all.

A Manufactured ‘Crisis’: Congress Can Let The Post Office Save Itself Without Mass Layoffs Or Service Reductions

At the very end of that year, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 (PAEA). Under PAEA, USPS was forced to “prefund its future health care benefit payments to retirees for the next 75 years in an astonishing ten-year time span” — meaning that it had to put aside billions of dollars to pay for the health benefits of employees it hasn’t even hired yet, something “that no other government or private corporation is required to do.”

49 posted on 12/05/2011 7:33:33 AM PST by mvpel
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To: JohnBovenmyer

That’s exactly right, JohnBovenmyer. Time for a dose of sanity in the USPS.


50 posted on 12/05/2011 7:37:02 AM PST by dinodino
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