Posted on 12/05/2011 9:18:29 AM PST by GregNH
Herbert W. Titus is of counsel to the law firm of William J. Olson, P.C. Prior to his association with this firm, Mr. Titus taught constitutional law, common law, and other subjects for nearly 30 years at five different American Bar Association approved law schools. From 1986 to 1993, he served as the founding Dean of the College of Law and Government in Regent University, Virginia Beach, Virginia. Prior to his academic career, he served as a Trial Attorney and a Special Assistant United States Attorney with the United States Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. and Kansas City, Missouri. Today he is engaged in a general practice with a concentration in constitutional strategy, litigation, and appeals.
Mr. Titus holds the J.D. degree (cum laude) from Harvard and the B.S. degree in Political Science from the University of Oregon from which he graduated Phi Beta Kappa. He is an active member of the bar of Virginia and an inactive member of the bar of Oregon. He is admitted to practice before the United States Supreme Court, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, the United States Court of Claims, and the United States Courts of Appeals for the Sixth, Seventh, Ninth, Tenth, District of Columbia and Federal Circuits. His constitutional practice has taken him into federal district courts in Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Wyoming, and the District of Columbia and the state courts of Idaho, Texas and North Dakota.
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I am suspicious of any lawyer who uses the honorific “Dr.” because he holds a juris doctor degree (the same degree that all lawyers get from law school). Lawyers don’t use that honorific.
And most of us use “Esq.” only when it is necessary so that the person reading the document will understand that the person who wrote or signed the document is a lawyer (that is often very important for the persons involved to know).
~John Jay
I bet many of you would stop at: “I am suspicious of any lawyer.”
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Barry Soetoro returned to the U.S. from Indonesia when he was 10 years old as an unaccompanied minor of Indonesian Nationality. He was immediately taken into custody as an abandoned child by the U.S. INS.
Catholic Social Services of Connecticut took custody of Barry and later appointed Barry grandmother, Madelyn Payne, as his guardian.
Soon, the Soetoro adopted was annulled and Barry’s name was legally changed back to Barack Hussein Obama II. He continued to be an Indonesian National. Catholic Social Services continued to be Barack’s custodian until his 18th birthday, thus the Connecticut SSN. Legally, Barack’s residence was Connecticut even though he was residing with his guardian in Honolulu, HI.
Barack became a Naturalized American Citizen a few years after his 18th birthday.
Yep
Also, that’s a mighty windy cv with no real major accomplishments. Also, what in the world is a “general practice with a concentration in constitutional strategy”? Doesn’t sound like that would put much bread on the table.
Way too much trouble to watch crummy videos. Well reasoned written arguments are much better.
The Esquire honorific is what has long puzzled me. Evidently, no very great number of lawyers prior to my own lifetime had thought that the honorific was needed to signal special status as a signatory on a document.
(I realize that some sort of signal is needed on documents, but my recollection from my own expert witness work in the 1980s is that the signature block typically had a printed/typed phrase such as "Attorney-at-Law." That is much more dignified, in my opinion, than Esquire [which is a feudal term that ordinarily refered to landed gentry, I believe].
It’s a crying shame that you have never produced a whit of support for this fanciful tale. Instead you continue to embellish it over time with additional details.
Shades of Lucas Smith...
“I have this smoking gun! But don’t ever expect me to share it, or use it, or produce any proof.”
I never heard about Obama being taken in as an abandoned child and custody by the Catholic Social Services.
Where did you find this info?
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Dr Herb? I thought he dropped our?
*dropped OUT
bump for later
I am quite curious as to how we know he became a naturalized American citizen after his 18th birthday. Is there a document that proves that that any member of the public has seen?
Well into the 1960’s many law schools were still awarding the LLB. There was a movement to substitute the JD. I know because I first received an LLB and then retroactively the JD in its place as the movement hit my own law school and as an editor there advocated for the JD while there. Also, coincidentally I worked at the time of my last year in law school for the then United States Civil Service Commission, Bureau of Recruiting and Examining as a program developer and the statistics available there showed that government lawyers with a JD were receiving more pay than those with an LLB even though the degrees were as a practical matter identical.
Why would the state of Connecticut take custody of him, when the rest of his family ws in Hawaii???
Who transported him from Hawaii to Connecticut??
OR—is this a convoluted post to cover all the discrepancies in Barry’s past???
Tell your bosses in Chicago, that here among the informed and intelligent on FR, making up sh!t out of thin air and then disappearing from the thread, is not a workable strategy for convincing others of your blatant propaganda.
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He's been stating some variation of this story for a long time now, embellishing it a bit more lately.
There is no proof, only his unfounded allegations.
And most of us use “Esq.” only when it is necessary so that the person reading the document will understand that the person who wrote or signed the document is a lawyer (that is often very important for the persons involved to know).
This guy looks like a fine guy on our side of the table. But if you parse his credentialing, he actually looks like a marginal legal authority.
Your #9 seems dependant on the proposition that Barry was not born in the U.S.
Is it not true that if there was adequate evidence he had been born in the U.S., as a minor he would not have lost that status - and INS would not have found it necessary to run him through the naturalization process?
Your timelime of events could be plausible but, as others have asked, is there anything at all in the record to support it? If you have knowledge that there is, have you spoken with anyone in a position to act on the info?
Sven makes this stuff up. He’s never produced a whit of support and never will.
That totally blows 0bozo's phony BC out of the water and there are three followup videos too.
He asserts a theory in a matter-of-fact manner. I have not ruled his theory out, and in fact regard it as making more sense in explaining the Connecticut Social Security number (and a few other details) than any other explanation that I have heard up till now.
Do you have a better explanation for the Connecticut social security number?
>> Why would the state of Connecticut take custody of him, when the rest of his family ws in Hawaii???
Who transported him from Hawaii to Connecticut?? <<
An American child abandoned by his parents is taken into Child Protective Services managed by a state agency. In the case of Barry Soetoro landing in Hawaii as an accompanied minor, he would have been taken into protective custody by Hawaii Child Protective Services if he were an American citizen.
Since Barry Soetoro was an Indonesian National when he arrived in Hawaii at the age of 10, he was taken into Federal Protective custody. Catholic Social Services of Connecticut was contracted with the U.S. State Department to administer their child services needs in 1971. Consequently, Barry Soetoro was in the custody of Catholic Social Services until his 18th birthday, the age of majority.
Although Barry lived with his grandmother in Hawaii, he was in the custody of Catholic Social Services of Connecticut. His grandmother was his appointed guardian. Catholic Social Services of Connecticut managed his life as a surrogate parent while his grandmother, Madelyn Payne, attended to his day to day needs.
It was Catholic Social Services of Connecticut that filed for Obama’s SSN. Consequently, he has a Connecticut SSN prefix.
BHO II claims he’s a NBC. No documentation provided to prove this.
Sven claims BHO II a ward of Catholic Social Services of CT. No documentation provided to prove this. ANY item of evidence would do. Do you have ANY?
Any American citizen, regardless of age, can move out of the country and renounce their citizenship.
Obots like to quote State Department guidance written after Obama was sworn in to claim a parent cannot renounce a child’s citizenship. This is State Department guidance for 2009.
This was not the guidance for 1966,67.
To be clear; you are not suggesting that 0bozo ever physically set foot in the state of Connecticut between the ages of 10 and 18 are you?
Except Esquire is not a title for lawyer, there isn’t one. It is something they started using at one point as an attempt to distinguish themselves from “common” folk. Frankly, it makes them sound like gay “escorts”.
>> To be clear; you are not suggesting that 0bozo ever physically set foot in the state of Connecticut between the ages of 10 and 18 are you? <<
Correct.
For background, research Federal Foster care for unaccompanied minors.
How do we actually know what Obama's Social Security Number is?
That sounds a lot like a breach of security that the Secret Service wouldn't allow.
I would not put it past them to create a fake ID number as a cover for the real one.
But assuming that we do know it and it starts with a Connecticut code: a Danbury CT zip code and a Honolulu HI zip code only differ by the first digit (06814 vs. 96814).
Some incompetent clerk may have mistaken the two and assigned a Connecticut number to a person in Hawaii.
Thanks, just looking to clear up the most likely point of confusion. It is an interesting theory to be sure.
...from which he graduated Phi Beta Kappa
How does one do that, exactly? It's a fraternity, not a degree or other qualification, after all. Is he a Master of Beer Chugging?
This was not the guidance for 1966,67.
Evidence? When was the law changed? What was the text before the change?
>> Evidence? When was the law changed? What was the text before the change? <<
It’s guidance, not law. The Obama Administration instituted the policy a parent cannot move out of the country and renounce a child’s U.S. Citizenship.
Obot’s consider the guidance issued in 2009 to apply to 1966, 1967. It’s laughable.
Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and renamed Barry Soetoro. Lolo Soetoro was listed as the birth father on Barry Soetoro’s Hawaiian COLB after the adoption was finalized.
Why wouldn’t the SoS in 1966 or 1967 accept an Oath of Renunciation from a kid born in Hawaii with an Indonesian father who had moved back to Indonesia to live there indefinitely?
Interesting, thank you.
You have appeared during the past few years to speak knowledgeably about State Department workings. Please bear with me while I pursue my “naturalization was required because there is no evidence he was born in the U.S.” line for a moment.
If you know, did Indonesia’s immigration or adoption requirements at the time require the mother to renounce the child’s U.S. citizenship - or is there evidence she did so of her own volition?
If so, would that action have conclusively ended the minor child’s U.S. citizenship from the U.S. perspective?
If so, wouldn't a record of that action be found in State Dept records?
Was it also necessary for the mother to renounce her citizenship; if so, are you aware of whether she ever had U.S. citizenship thereafter without being naturalized?
Thanks again.
I am still curious as to when "Esquire" came to be accepted. I remember being a bit shocked when I saw the title (?) being used in America and in the Twentieth Century, no less.
Current Connecticut zip codes: http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/zip_codes/CT.htm
Current Hawaii zip codes: http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/zip_codes/HA.htm
Honolulu is 96801 through 96850.
Now say you live in 96810 and put that in a form. Then the person entering that form into a computer system dives for the 9 but hits 0 instead. If the computer system sorts by zip code it now thinks you live in 06810 or Danbury Connecticut.
Or maybe BHO’s teenage handwriting was so sloppy that his 9’s looked like zeros and it just got entered that way.
Regardless the idea is that this is then one person making one error (more plausible) and not a massive conspiracy involving both political parties (somewhat less plausible).
It sounds like you're not up to speed on this issue. This will get you started.
That sounds a lot like a breach of security that the Secret Service wouldn't allow.
The Secret service cannot help Obama for the records he left behind before becoming Precedent.
I would not put it past them to create a fake ID number as a cover for the real one.
Obama himself left it on his Tax return, and it corresponds with other uses of the number by himself, prior to becoming precedent.
But assuming that we do know it and it starts with a Connecticut code: a Danbury CT zip code and a Honolulu HI zip code only differ by the first digit (06814 vs. 96814).
You would go to the trouble to discover this, but not why people believe him to have a Connecticut social security number?
Also, check out Debbie Schlussel's website for his fake Selective Service form.
Only the Secretary of State (SoS), representing the Executive Branch of the U.S. (POTUS), can terminate a persons U.S. Citizenship. This is done when the SoS signs a Certificate of Loss of Nationality with an official U.S. State Department Seal is pressed into the document.
An Oath of Renunciation is a request for the SoS to issue a Certificate of Loss of Nationality. Issuing a Certificate of Loss of Nationality is optional. The State Department keeps a policy manual for guidance to ensure everyone is treated the same. But, policies change and there are exceptions to every policy statement.
Several copies of the Certificate of Loss of Nationality are retained and issued to various Executive Branch federal agencies; i.e. State Department, FBI, INS, Secret Service, IRS, etc.
It’s the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the United States.
You don't think this one odd number would stick out in the Hawaiian Social security office where they would immediately recognize it as a mistake? (Presumably Hawaiian Social Security officials would know what is the correct prefix for Hawaii, though with the competence shown by Hawaiian officials up to this point, it really could be otherwise. :) )
Or maybe BHO’s teenage handwriting was so sloppy that his 9’s looked like zeros and it just got entered that way.
Since when do people get to pick their own social security numbers? I once made a one digit mistake on my social security number when filling out my tax return, the IRS immediately informed me that this was incorrect. You would have thought Barry would be so informed at least once in the last 30 years. :)
Regardless the idea is that this is then one person making one error (more plausible) and not a massive conspiracy involving both political parties (somewhat less plausible).
Why do you keep alleging a conspiracy? When the state issues a replacement birth certificate for an adopted child (such as me and probably barry as well) then it is NOT a conspiracy. By the same logic, if an agency which represents the interests of a child has their main office in Connecticut and submits a request from their main office for said child, it is also not a conspiracy. What MIGHT be a conspiracy is if said child and his lawyers hide stuff from the American People to mislead them about his qualifications and credentials.
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