Posted on 12/05/2011 6:14:57 PM PST by Scoutmaster
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you: but you seem to have knowledge of some facts that don't seem to have been widely reported, and I'm hoping that you can shed some light on the matter. Really.
You say: "...people in this area were mandated reporters. That comes with being on the board of a charity for kids."
The relevant Pennsylvania law states "(b)...Licensees who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge ... or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the licensee, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), (c) and (d)."
Any halfway decent criminal defense attorney should be able to show that simply serving on a charitable board, absent any operational responsibilities does not make one a mandated reporter in Pennsylvania. If you have information to the contrary, please, share it. If you're right, it's a big deal: that it's been buried in the media, because these people were willing to take a large risk (one has to ask why), and because the DA isn't making a peep about prosecution. Again, if you're right, one really does want to know why all we hear in the press about this is silence.
And one more question. You also reference federal law in the matter. But, the closest federal statute I can find is TITLE 42 > CHAPTER 132 > SUBCHAPTER IV > § 13031, but that only references "All individuals in the occupations listed in subsection (b)(1) of this section who work on Federal lands, or are employed in federally operated (or contracted) facilities,". So, was Second mile operated on Federal land, or under Federal contract? How does this statute apply? Or is there a different one?
It's clear that you are passionate about this issue, and I hope that you're willing to share your knowledge.
Homosexuals and little boys go together like spaghetti and meatballs.
Penn State is a typical homo-run campus where normal people walk around pretending homosexuality doesn’t creep them out the way it instinctively creeped them out when they were children. The next logical step for the "progressive" pervert elite is to incrementally worm pedophilia into that same kind of protected class that homosexuality enjoys so maybe otherwise normal people can finally be induced to shrug it off and pretend it doesn’t creep them out. (“Hey, -shrug-, who am I to judge?”)
You are, of course, correct that this sickness is by no means confined to Penn State. The homosexual predators and their Democrat enablers are relentless in their sick, obscene agenda
This has been the direction of American culture for years now. We are living in the modern day version of the Roman Caligula era. It is all downhill from here, and we are picking up speed.
Thanks, liberals. Thanks, Democrats. Way to be.
I grew up in a little college town, everybody knows everybody, the web of community leaders is surprisingly small in such places, and the college the epicenter of the community. Paterno, was a man of incomparable stature, and Sandusky was his heir apparent until 1999, when something happened that caused Paterno to tell Sandusky to take a hike. Something the old man is hoping never sees the light of day now, I imagine.
The whole town is rotten, and the whole region is rife with pedophiles. Look at that other coach in Syracuse who just got exposed, these guys all know each other, and they network with each other and trade favors, and also trade victims. There are many secrets, and no doubt bodies, to be uncovered in State College. And I do mean bodies, pedophiles inevitably leave a corpse or two behind. The dominoes are starting to fall, and it will be interesting to see where they land.
The world is full of many evils, and we can only hope that there is a special place in Hell for Sandusky with all sorts of tortures designed specially for his sort of monstrosty.
Respectfully, Graham Spanier was at Penn State for a decade before Rene Portland retired. Spanier only acted after Penn State had a bad season and was the school was sued by a lesbian who was kicked off the team. Yet Portlan's "no lesbians" policy was known after a national newspaper story in 1991 quoting current Penn State players.
For about 30 years (again, a decade under Spanier), Penn State women's basketball coach Rene Portland had a known policy of not recruiting lesbians and of forcing lesbians off the Penn State team. Perhaps Portland was allowed by Spanier to do it because she was so successful (over 600 career wins). He certainly knew. National media? Faculty senate vote?
It started earlier than that - a large national media story quoting Penn State players about Portland's "no lesbians" recruiting policy resulting in the Penn State Faculty Senate adding a sexual-orientation clause to its anti-discrimination policy in 1991.
It was only in 2005, when Jennifer Harris, Lisa Etienne and Amber Bland were dismissed by Portland from the team immediately after Penn State lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament that things went awry. Portland was weeding out the lesbians again. This time, however, Harris sued (and later settled out of court). Spanier finally acted.
So Spanier had no problem with discriminating against lesbians at the same time he's accused of welcoming GLBTEIEIO, as long as the school was winning basketball games and nobody sued.
I have a much longer post on the situation that I can find for you if you're interested. I think it contains links. If you have different facts, I'm always interested in learning.
One would hope so. The current governor was the State Attorney General when the current investigation started. Remember that the November 3 (3?) Grand Jury Presentment was the result of a State Attorney General action, not a local one.
That's the Presentment which carefully spells out in detail what McQueary said he told everyone - except Joe Paterno. If you have experience reading presentments, and you read between the lines, that information is left out because it would either be embarrassing to Paterno, who says he was only told that it was fondling or something of a sexual nature. Or else it will embarrass the state prosecutors for not pursuing a perjury indictment against JoePa as she did against Curley and Schultz for saying they weren't told about anal sodomy.
So, as an attorney who's read the presentment (more than) twice, once for what it contains and once for what it glaringly does not contain, I hop the state will handle it well and not try to make Pennsylvania and Penn State look well.
Of note.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/penn_state_university_shows_no.html
Penn State University shows no sign of lifting veil of secrecy
Wow. The pledged transparency and brought in outside investigators who pledged transparency, then (among everything else), they won't even disclose what the investigators are being paid or what they've going to investigate? Unbelievable.
Lawyers acting like lawyers.
I hope you reported this person to authorities.
Some of the posters to these threads lost credibility as they remain silent in the Syracuse/ESPN coverup.
Seems to be an anti Penn State thing. No idea why.
He is cooperating with the authorities.
Good post. This has been going on in Hollywood since Shirley Temple was a little girl. (1930’s). She tells in her autobiography how one of the honchos at MGM exposed himself to her when she was just 5 years old. She, being an innocent baby, just giggled and ran out of the room to her chaperone.
There is a raging Culture War—Whittaker Chambers said it best in the 50’s. It is God vs. Man.
Either our culture will readopt the Christian Ethics of our first 200 years or we will adopt a pagan/atheist worldview.
We have a choice, now, but the media is forcing all our laws into protection of paganism and forcing the pagan mindset in our schools.
Worldview is what the culture embraces....we can never allow them to embrace evil—which homosexual acts always are-—the acts are all about lust and idolatry——never selfless love.
Homosexuality has ALWAYS included rampant pederasty-—because it is a learned and modeled and taught behavior-—like every other behavior that isn’t from neurological damage.
Just know-—everyone who reads this-—if you “accept” homosexual behavior as “good” you are teaching that the Bible is hate speech and telling children there is no design in human beings-—there is no God. Of course, that is the message—the worldview—these pagan/atheists are forcing on your children through marketing——like “Days of Silence”, etc. These people are evil and corrupt the sexual identities of children-—just like Chas who was raped by a lesbian when she was 11 and that 4 year old trying to mutilate his penis—and then this Tyler kid is put on hormones etc. These “lesbian MOMS” are pure EVIL to make boys hate their bodies in such a profound, sick way.
Paterno confessed. This is a fact.
He knew. He told Sandusky to retire, and that he was banned from the campus. The latter didn’t happen.
In effect, Paterno told Sandusky, “I know what you are doing, and don’t do it here, feel free to continue, because I won’t be the one to stop you.”
How many other boys were raped in the interim?
Paterno should have done one thing: 911. That simple.
He’s GUILTY ALREADY. No need for a court on that account.
The only matter under investigation now was HOW GUILTY WAS HE? If Sandusky was passing boys around in Happy Valley they way they do down in Hollywood, TO WHOM WERE THEY PASSED? How many in the alumni and booster organizations? Who else was in on the decision to can Sandusky at the time - they knew, right? Maybe JoePa was like Castro and told the gay-activist Chancellor, “Tired of Sandusky, and he’s retiring. Make it so. Oh, and he’s banned from the campus too. Make a note.”
Which is to say that I’d get old JoePa in a room and sweat that confession out of him before the cancer eats him up.
I wonder if that cancer’s as painful as those poor boy’s rectum’s were. You think it is?
“Centre County is not leading this, the state is leading this, so it should be handled well.”
You think so?
If something like this at the UW or at WSU, there isn’t a chance, even with our Republican AG, that I would assume that the state could perform the investigation correctly. Were I the governor, I’d arrange to have someone in NJ do the investigation. As governor of PA, there’s not a chance in hell I’d touch this.
It’s called being a Good Samaritan. It’s called moral courage. It’s called being a responsible adult. Perhaps you’ve heard of these things?
Oh, and by the way, good luck to ya if you expect a policeman to be johnnie on the spot if someone assaults you—let alone “the university” or some other non-hiuman entity.
Certainly tenure is an issue in a system that rewards poor teaching performance. But I’m not sure Sandusky had tenure protection. I’ll have to check that out.
That said the Sandusky/Penn State pedophilia scandal is first and formost a moral issue. Therefore, all the people who aided, abetted or otherwise participated in the the deranged crimes—including the coverup—should be apprehended, charged, prosecuted, sentenced and put in jail for as long as the law allows. I personaslly feel that putting them all up agsinst a wall and publicly shooting them would be far more effective deterring some of these miscreants.
I’m having difficulty understanding how fixing the tenure problem takes presidance over sanctioning criminal behavior. Please enlighten me.
It’s called being a Good Samaritan. It’s called moral courage. It’s called being a responsible adult. Perhaps you’ve heard of these things?
Oh, and by the way, good luck to ya if you expect a policeman to be johnnie on the spot if someone assaults you—let alone “the university” or some other non-hiuman entity.
Certainly tenure is an issue in a system that rewards poor teaching performance. But I’m not sure Sandusky had tenure protection. I’ll have to check that out.
That said the Sandusky/Penn State pedophilia scandal is first and formost a moral issue. Therefore, all the people who aided, abetted or otherwise participated in the the deranged crimes—including the coverup—should be apprehended, charged, prosecuted, sentenced and put in jail for as long as the law allows. I personaslly feel that putting them all up agsinst a wall and publicly shooting them would be far more effective deterring some of these miscreants.
I’m having difficulty understanding how fixing the tenure problem takes presidance over sanctioning criminal behavior. Please enlighten me.
It’s called being a Good Samaritan. It’s called moral courage. It’s called being a responsible adult. Perhaps you’ve heard of these things?
Oh, and by the way, good luck to ya if you expect a policeman to be johnnie on the spot if someone assaults you—let alone “the university” or some other non-hiuman entity.
Certainly tenure is an issue in a system that rewards poor teaching performance. But I’m not sure Sandusky had tenure protection. I’ll have to check that out.
That said the Sandusky/Penn State pedophilia scandal is first and formost a moral issue. Therefore, all the people who aided, abetted or otherwise participated in the the deranged crimes—including the coverup—should be apprehended, charged, prosecuted, sentenced and put in jail for as long as the law allows. I personaslly feel that putting them all up agsinst a wall and publicly shooting them would be far more effective deterring some of these miscreants.
I’m having difficulty understanding how fixing the tenure problem takes presidance over sanctioning criminal behavior. Please enlighten me.
Had Sandusky been banned from campus, and had his tenure revoked back in 1999, when Paterno removed him as Defensive Coordinator, he would have lost access to the Penn State facilities.
If you remember correctly, these facilities were often used as bait when Sandusky raped children.
Paterno did everything he was empowered to do... he removed Sandusky as DC.
The state of Pennsylvania... dropped the ball on this in the name of diversity.
As far as I can tell Sandusky was given “emeritus” status after he was told by Paterno he would not be Penn State’s next head coach. I have found nothing thast indicsted sports coaches receive tenure as policy.
Sandusky used the “emiritus” entre to continue using PSU faciities for his foundation—and child molestation. He was discovered by McCreary raping the boy in the shower. It took at least two years before Sandusky’s “emeritus” status was revoked. Thus, denying him use of PSU facilities. During that period Paterno had to have observed Sandusky’s continuing use of Penn State facilities. I believe, too, Paterno could not have been oblivious to Sandusky’s continuing to be seen squiring individual kids to football games.
You seem to have a real problem with moral responsibility. Paterno may have met his administrative responsibilities. He did not meet his moral responsibility. To pretend that is not so is to eshew the concept of morality in the first place or simple moral blindness. A moral person would not have not tolerated the University’s continuing association with this creep—even at the expense of his own job.
Not sure what diversity has to do with any of this. So far as I know the race(s) of the kids has/have not been reported. Anyway we’re talking about Center County, PA. I believe it remains a fairly white population.
The rejection of a moral standard brought this on Penn State. All the rest of the components od the scandal—tenure, PC and Marxism—are symptoms of that environment.
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