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County Displays Crucified Santa on Courthouse Lawn
Fox News ^ | 12/6/11 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 12/06/2011 9:03:00 AM PST by Kartographer

A Christmas display outside the courthouse in Leesburg, VA featuring Santa Claus crucified on a cross was torn down by an angry resident in spite of arguments by elected leaders that the display was Constitutionally-protected free speech.

“I am shocked that the county would allow such a thing as a crucified Santa on the courthouse lawn,” Elizabeth McGuirk, a mother of three told Leesburg Today. She it would “seriously disturb my children.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: obama; obamasamerica; waronchristmas
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To: Kartographer

On the Courthouse lawn?!?!?!?!?!??!

Unbelievable. Not civilized. Good for that mother for tearing it down. It deserves to be torn down. Would think the people of Va would have better sense.......oh wait, Tim Kaine was their governor. What ever has happened to Va?


2 posted on 12/06/2011 9:06:06 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BufordP; VAFlagwaver; Tom the Redhunter

Leesburg, Virginia? This is getting serious.


3 posted on 12/06/2011 9:06:13 AM PST by Albion Wilde (A land of hyper-legalisms is not the same as a land of law. --Mark Steyn)
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To: Kartographer

Who wants to bet liberals think this is funny...


4 posted on 12/06/2011 9:06:59 AM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: Kartographer

They’ll be back in force on Saturday,too...

http://www.meetup.com/NOVA-Atheists/events/43350732/


5 posted on 12/06/2011 9:07:47 AM PST by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: Kartographer

That whole board should be recalled....every darn one of them. So wrong!!! So sick...


6 posted on 12/06/2011 9:08:13 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Kartographer

Good for the mom. Seems to me that if putting up a cross and hanging Santa Claus on it constitutes “speech” that is protected, then the act of tearing the same thing down is equally “speech” and must also be protected. I don’t see how one can constitute speech (or freedom of expression or whatever you want to call it) without the equal and opposite thing also being the same. To deny this would be like saying “yes” is speech but not “no.”


7 posted on 12/06/2011 9:08:43 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: Kartographer

A CROSS on the courthouse lawn?
Does that mean a manger scene is allowed now,too?


8 posted on 12/06/2011 9:11:48 AM PST by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: Kartographer

Demented bullies.


9 posted on 12/06/2011 9:12:30 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Kartographer

I’m sure if it was an effigy of Martin Luther King or perhaps Obama, there would be no problem with it also.

After all, it’s all free speech.


10 posted on 12/06/2011 9:13:29 AM PST by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: massmike

Rick Wingrove (per your link) looks like a real ‘chardonnay sipping flamer’.


11 posted on 12/06/2011 9:14:14 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: Albion Wilde
Over the last decade-and-a-half (approximately) Leesburg, Virginia, and Loudoun County, have been become bastions of democrat/liberal BS ‘values’ (too many Yankee ‘immigrants’)

Most of the native Virginians I know consider Loudoun to be part of “Northern Virginia”, and therefore more akin to Maryland than the “Old Dominion”.

12 posted on 12/06/2011 9:14:44 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Kartographer
"I see little hope left, maybe it is time for Christ to come again. "

Maybe he's tried but was aborted x number of times already.

13 posted on 12/06/2011 9:16:34 AM PST by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Woe to those that call Evil good and good evil. as it is written. There can be no good come from the Government calling protected speech that which is anti-Christian -and
thereby un-American.No doubt it was the brainchild of some
Atheist.


14 posted on 12/06/2011 9:16:46 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Kartographer

Let them put up the crucified Santa. Then demand the right to put up a crucified Jesus to mark Good Friday. If the county refuses, they’ll be discriminating on the basis of the content of the message. Tangle the govt and the ACLU in their own internal contradictions.


15 posted on 12/06/2011 9:22:30 AM PST by omega4412
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To: yldstrk

Rudolph is next:

Professor: ‘Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer’ Promotes Bullying

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2816657/posts


16 posted on 12/06/2011 9:23:18 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: yldstrk

So “hate speech” is protected when it is against Christians? What do you suppose would happen if it was Mohammed in a display like that? The churches in the area need to get together and sue the county for religious discrimination.


17 posted on 12/06/2011 9:25:26 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Free speech? How about a “piss-mohammed” made out of elephant dung with maggots crawling all over it and fried bacon as a base for Eid? After all, it’s only free speech?


18 posted on 12/06/2011 9:28:29 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Liberty1970
Thought I could avoid it this year but it's clearly the case that the modern "Santa Claus" with his typical red with white trim costuming, and rotundness, is modeled after "Little Red Man", also known as Amanita Muscaria, a mildly hallucinogenic mushroom best known in the good old days as SOMA.

Much of the rest of the story, e.g. reindeer, climbing down chimneys, a large bag full of gifts, etc. derives directly from Sa'ami culture in the Sapma', a large area stretching from Norway, through Sweden and Finland into Russia, where people strive against the elements and the Midnight Sun to eke out a living.

I take the crucifixion of Santa Claus to be the sort of "hate crime" and threat against those of Sa'ami ancestry that should put the perpetrators into prison for a very long time ~ or at least the hospital.

My favorite progenitor of nearly the same Sa'ami culture was a Finn named Simo Häyhä who served as a sniper during the Russian invasion of Finland in the Winter War of 1939/40.

He killed at least 500 and maybe as many as 900 Russian troops ~ SINGLEHANDEDLY.

The people crucifying Santa had best watch out because that's what could happen if they don't get right with God and get out of town.

19 posted on 12/06/2011 9:33:13 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: yldstrk

So, the crucified Santa is OK for the courthouse, then conversely, why are the 10 Commandments displayed at courthouses and other city buildings in hot dispute? Shouldn’t those be deemed freedom of speech/expression as well?

I say that in this case, put the freedom of speech/expression to the test....set up a nativity scene right next to the crucified Santa and see what happens.


20 posted on 12/06/2011 9:34:05 AM PST by kerbear413 (Socialism breeds Mediocrity)
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To: omega4412
Let them put up the crucified Santa. Then demand the right to put up a crucified Jesus to mark Good Friday.

That's a really good idea.

21 posted on 12/06/2011 9:35:00 AM PST by Tribune7 (Perry or Santorum)
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To: yldstrk

Hmmm.

I take a Christian message from the display.

Christmas is about Christ and the reason he was born was to be crucified for our transgressions.

I’m surprised that such a Christian statement would be allowed in the first place


22 posted on 12/06/2011 9:46:20 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: marstegreg

"So “hate speech” is protected when it is against Christians? What do you suppose would happen if it was Mohammed in a display like that? The churches in the area need to get together and sue the county for religious discrimination."

As long as people sit back, and allow bullies to push them around and demonize their beliefs, these things are going to happen.

23 posted on 12/06/2011 9:48:29 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: WayneS

Yup. Can’t swing a dead cat in Leesburg without hitting a transplanted New Yorker.


24 posted on 12/06/2011 9:52:13 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Qbert

I have worked at our county courthouse for nearly 35 years. I would promptly march out and take it down. I would face the consequences and sleep well at night (probably in the county lockup) and take the next one down if it reappeared.


25 posted on 12/06/2011 9:58:10 AM PST by healy61
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To: dangerdoc
Christmas is about Christ

Correct! Our first step should be to properly pronounce Christ Mass during the Holy Days. That alone would pi$$ them off.

26 posted on 12/06/2011 10:11:08 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Rights begin where power ends!)
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To: yldstrk
Here's a TV report from WUSA Channel 9 news. Notice how NOT angry the 'angry resident' is as she calmly places the 'torn down' santa costume on the ground.
27 posted on 12/06/2011 10:13:15 AM PST by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: muawiyah

[ I take the crucifixion of Santa Claus to be the sort of “hate crime” and threat against those of Sa’ami ancestry that should put the perpetrators into prison for a very long time ~ or at least the hospital. ]

Awesome Idea, I wanna see the libs wirthe after realizing this.


28 posted on 12/06/2011 10:13:54 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Yes, it is ironic that these weaselly government officials are insisting on “Holiday Trees’ instead of “Christmas Trees”.

“Holiday” is obviously just a different spelling/pronunciation of “Holy Day”.

“Holy” means “Dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred”.


29 posted on 12/06/2011 10:26:38 AM PST by BwanaNdege (“Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address” - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: yldstrk

A crucified Santa is freedom of speech but a crucified Jesus is offensive.


30 posted on 12/06/2011 10:35:58 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: healy61

Yep.

There needs to be some workable middle ground between beliefs (”forgiveness”; “turning the other cheek”) and societal realities (allowing miscreants, whose goal is to target one faith as the sole source of “evil” in the world, and to work ceaslessly to obliterate it), IMHO.


31 posted on 12/06/2011 10:38:01 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: GOPJ

‘bout as funny as a koran on a toilet paper roll or buddha in a jar of urine, eh?

he he he


32 posted on 12/06/2011 10:40:55 AM PST by silverleaf (common sense is not so common- voltaire)
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To: bgill

EXCELLENT


33 posted on 12/06/2011 10:43:41 AM PST by silverleaf (common sense is not so common- voltaire)
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To: Qbert

As long as people sit back, and allow bullies to push them around and demonize their beliefs, these things are going to happen.

What kills me is that the ONLY time “people sit back” is when this stuff happens to Christians. These things do not happen to any other group without severe outrage and legal filings by the ACLU and so on. It is these same “protected “ groups who do the smeering. Ironic.


34 posted on 12/06/2011 10:47:08 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: yldstrk

35 posted on 12/06/2011 10:55:07 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: PALIN SMITH

Christ is not coming back as a man. He is coming back in Glory, from above.


36 posted on 12/06/2011 10:56:40 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: Qbert

Why do people think that ‘forgiveness’ and ‘turning the other cheek’ mean that there should be no consequence for actions?

Forgiveness is NOT intended to be for the benefit of the perpetrator, it is to help the heart of the victim to mend. Holding on to hate or a grudge only hurts the one holding it.

Forgiveness does not imply ‘no consequences’. If one causes harm, then that needs redressed, as well as forgiven.


37 posted on 12/06/2011 11:01:32 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: marstegreg

"What kills me is that the ONLY time “people sit back” is when this stuff happens to Christians. These things do not happen to any other group without severe outrage and legal filings by the ACLU and so on. It is these same “protected “ groups who do the smeering. Ironic."

I hate to say it, but the fact of the matter is that those groups are often much better organized (and energized). And unfortunately, many people stand around forever grumbling about the latest insult they have been subjected to- rather than doing something productive about it.

Leftists and other radicals are born with an almost instinctive ability to smell vulnerability, and to exploit it. It is an eternal battle to combat this, IMO.

38 posted on 12/06/2011 11:07:21 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: GraceG

I want them to take note of how POd Samo Heha was at the idea of some funny little foreign puke invading his space. The rest of those guys aren’t as friendly and polite.


39 posted on 12/06/2011 11:15:09 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: RoadGumby

Great points.

I think there are a fair number of people who may miss the distinctions you raise. At the very least, I think the notion that ‘Forgiveness’ implies ‘no consequences’, is how radicals view things, which is why they feel- correctly or not- that they can continue to attack with impunity.


40 posted on 12/06/2011 11:22:53 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: PowderMonkey

Ouch!

(still stuck in New York and allergic to cats!)

( : >)


41 posted on 12/06/2011 11:55:08 AM PST by Yehuda (Expel communists and jihadis... from the planet.)
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To: Qbert

I generally use these types of people as an example to my children of what NOT to grow up to be like. That is the only value they have to me.


42 posted on 12/06/2011 12:16:33 PM PST by marstegreg
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To: bgill

it was a death threat aimed at persons of Sa’ami descent.


43 posted on 12/06/2011 2:19:57 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: yldstrk

Just another day in Obamaland.


44 posted on 12/06/2011 3:10:24 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: RoadGumby
Christ is not coming back as a man. He is coming back in Glory, from above.

Hold on. He is God and man.

45 posted on 12/06/2011 4:09:07 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: massmike
A CROSS on the courthouse lawn? Does that mean a manger scene is allowed now,too?

Only if there is a dog in the manger.

46 posted on 12/06/2011 4:11:14 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: yldstrk

freaks and perverts are running the country right now


47 posted on 12/06/2011 4:25:24 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Kartographer

Leesburg went through a fight over a manger, and it was decided that a manger was OK if it was part of a set of displays. So they have 10 displays on a first-come, first-served basis.

I don’t see a problem with a crucified Santa skeleton, from a messaging perspective. Santa isn’t christmas for me, and you can’t destroy my Christ.

However, I totally support the woman tearing down the thing just because it WOULD be traumatic for children. It was stupid to allow a decidedly non-PG image like that on public property where children would be expected to see it.

Now, I never had my kids believing in Santa Claus. But many others do, and to take a kid who believes in Santa Claus, and show him as a skeleton being brutally tortured, is just wrong.


48 posted on 12/06/2011 5:39:15 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Dang, Santa’s lost a lot of weight!


49 posted on 12/06/2011 6:23:08 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

This is hideous, mocking and does not belong on state property. I would have torn it down too.


50 posted on 12/06/2011 6:28:25 PM PST by livius
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