Skip to comments.Legal U.S. gun sales to Mexico arming cartels
Posted on 12/06/2011 11:22:03 AM PST by HammerT
(CBS News) Selling weapons to Mexico - where cartel violence is out of control - is controversial because so many guns fall into the wrong hands due to incompetence and corruption. The Mexican military recently reported nearly 9,000 police weapons "missing."
Yet the U.S. has approved the sale of more guns to Mexico in recent years than ever before through a program called "direct commercial sales." It's a program that some say is worse than the highly-criticized "Fast and Furious" gunrunning scandal, where U.S. agents allowed thousands of weapons to pass from the U.S. to Mexican drug cartels.
CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson discovered that the official tracking all those guns sold through "direct commercial sales" leaves something to be desired.
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Andrei, you've lost another submarine?
First it was Fast n Furious, now theyre Finally talking about all the weapons diverted to the cartels from the army.
That said, we certainly aren't doing anything to diffuse the hypocrisy. If Springfield Armory gets an order for 1500 pistols from a dealer in Mexico, what law prevents them from filling that order? Same goes from all kinds of manufacturers from Israel to Croatia. Hell, if memory serves me correctly, there are several manufacturers that have assembly plants in Mexico. I would be surprised if “lost parts” wasn't an item on the expense side of the ledger for accounting.
"The bastard has just killed us!"
We supply the gune to the police and the military and the police and the military sell them to the Cartels.
How do you control a country where the military and the police work full time for the Government and part time for the Cartels.
They don’t have a Government there , its every man for himself.
The Mexican police/military can’t secure their weapons, and the US gunmakers along with their distributors are responsible for that? Sounds like the old gun control argument writ large.
Sharyl Attkisson is one of the few journalists worthy of the name.
“Legal U.S. gun sales to Mexico arming cartels”
You mean more than the ATF and Dept of Justice?
Nice try See-BS.
Worse Than Gunwalker? State Dept. Allegedly Sold Guns to Zetas
Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and one-time leader of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administrations El Paso Intelligence Center, claims that the Obama administration is running guns to the violent Zetas cartel through the direct commercial sale of military grade weapons:
Jordan, who served as director of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administrations El Paso Intelligence Center in 1995, said the Zetas have shipped large amounts of weapons purchased in the Dallas area through El Paso.
Theyve found anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era, Plumlee said. Other weapons found include grenade launchers, assault rifles, handguns and military gear including night-vision goggles and body armor.
More about State Department involvement...
has sources claiming Obamas man in the State Department, (former) Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg, was the State Department operative who helped Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and the Department of Justice Deputy Attorney General David Ogden formulate the strategy that led to the tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious.
A little more than two years later, it was announced that Steinberg's time in the Obama State Department was over. From the New York Times, 30 March 2011:
Mrs. Clinton heaped praise on Mr. Steinberg, describing him as an indispensable partner. On every foreign policy challenge, big and small, he has helped formulate our policy and oversee its execution, she wrote. Mr. Steinberg, she said, played Oscar to Jack Lews Felix, referring to Jacob J. Lew, her other deputy, who left earlier this year to become Mr. Obamas budget director.
Want to read even more about State Dept. involvement? ...
Yes, she does mean more than that.
This article is not about sales from gun stores. It is about direct sales from the U.S. government to the Mexican government.
I don't think that's what this article is saying.
Here's how it works: A foreign government fills out an application to buy weapons from private gun manufacturers in the U.S. Then the State Department decides whether to approve.
And it did approve 2,476 guns to be sold to Mexico in 2006. In 2009, that number was up nearly 10 times, to 18,709. The State Department has since stopped disclosing numbers of guns it approves, and wouldn't give CBS News figures for 2010 or 2011.
To be fair, it is the Mexican government’s job to keep track of the weapons we sell them, not ours.
-—and where it stops, nobody knows. Ping
Goggle "ITAR" for the answer to your question.
I don’t know what article you read. This one isn’t about any private sales ie no gun stores.
The CBS story implies government to government sales. But the State Department also approves weapon sales to foreign companies, si?
From July 13, 2011 http://www.elpasotimes.com/communities/ci_18465182
“The military task force became concerned that its information about arms smuggling was being compromised,” Plumlee said. “From the intel, it appears that a company was set up in Mexico to purchase weapons through the U.S. Direct Commercial Sales program, and that the company may have had a direct link to the Zetas.”
Having to address complicated issues that arise from such allegations may be beyond CBS ability.
Legal U.S. gun sales to Mexico arming cartels
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