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Another Look for Huntsman (Conservative-Libertarian CATO is on board now)
Cato Institute ^ | December 7, 2011 | Michael D, Tanner

Posted on 12/07/2011 9:24:46 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative

One wonders, therefore, if a conservative case could be made for former Utah governor Jon Huntsman, as has been suggested by several conservative columnists recently, including George Will, Jim Pethokoukis, and Joe Scarborough. Indeed, it is interesting that Huntsman was so quickly dismissed as a RINO, when many of his positions actually appear to be to the right of both Romney and Gingrich.

On health care, for example, Huntsman flirted with an individual mandate — unfortunately, a lot of conservatives did when the idea was being pushed by the Heritage Foundation — but, unlike Romneycare, the plan he ultimately developed for Utah did not include one. It did, however, include a new regulatory bureaucracy called "the portal," a less onerous version of President Obama's health-insurance exchanges or Mitt Romney's Connector. Note that "less onerous" does not mean "good idea." On the other hand, Huntsman did not support the Medicare prescription-drug benefit that both Romney and Gingrich backed.

On education, Huntsman clearly has a better record than either Romney or Gingrich. While both of them backed No Child Left Behind and continue to push for greater federal involvement in education, Huntsman opposed NCLB, saying, "We need to take education to the local level, where parents and local elected officials can determine the destiny of these schools." He actually signed a bill that gave Utah's educational standards priority over NCLB, letting education officials in Utah "ignore provisions of federal law that conflict with the state's program." And he pushed through a substantial school-choice program in Utah.

Huntsman also appears to be to the right of both Gingrich and Romney on key economic issues such as taxes, spending, and entitlement reform.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: jonhuntsman; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; mittromney; newtgingrich; obama; utah
I would encourage all to give this article an honest read and I challenge you to find where Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich would be preferable to Huntsman. Huntsman's record and platform are to the right of BOTH, and Huntsman can and will defeat Obama in the general. I truly think that Huntsman has the ability to pull off a landslide win - and that means we keep a big majority in the House and we take the senate with several seats to spare.

Please give this article, and Jon Huntsman, an honest assessment.

1 posted on 12/07/2011 9:24:53 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative; All

Any late word of the Buddy Roemer candidacy?


2 posted on 12/07/2011 9:27:47 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Huntsman is the prefffered Republican candidate of the pundits on MSNBC. That ought to tell you something. The only reason he has ever been in public office is because he was the spoiled little rich kid of a Billionaire.


3 posted on 12/07/2011 9:28:52 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: St. Louis Conservative

No thanks...and no sale.


4 posted on 12/07/2011 9:29:20 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: St. Louis Conservative

He is amnesty freak, Global Warming scam artist and bashing conservatives. That’s enough for me. No thanks.

Of course, same applies for Romney and especially for Newt, but that is no reason for back another similar guy (who is planning 3rd party run).

We have actual conservatives running in GOP primaries. Michele is opposed to amnesty, GW scam, and obamacare mandates. That is a huge difference.


5 posted on 12/07/2011 9:29:50 AM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (radical rightwinger))
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Does Hunstman belong to the Mormon cult?


6 posted on 12/07/2011 9:30:59 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Huntsman was a governor so of course he didn’t support the prescription health entitlement. Guess who has to pick up a lot of the costs? The state does.

Had it been 100% funded I bet he’d support it.

You just can’t look at how someone voted at the state level you have to try and get into his true values. And the problem with that is at the state level you have more responsibilities than at the federal level (at least according to the constitution). So if he wanted to make his state a welfare state it doesn’t mean he’d do the same at the federal level if he believes in the constitution. But then how do we know how one will lead at the federal level?

To be honest I’m not sure. Maybe look at how they voted when in a federal position. That will help us with Newt, Bachman, Paul, and Santorum. But what about Romney, Huntsman, and Perry? How do we know what they’d be like at the federal level? Will they take their positions that worked in their state to the federal level? Or will they go with the beltway opinion on what to do next? I truly believe what keeps most of these governors from the south in check is the voters...they know they can’t go super liberal with their voters, but on the federal level who knows.


7 posted on 12/07/2011 9:31:36 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Huntsman is a weird Romney clone. He’s even blander than Romney, if that’s possible. No wonder the likes of Evan Thomsas love him.

Newt, for all his faults, has been battling the liberals for 30 years.

I wanted Palin, was for Cain and am now solidly behind Gingrich. He doesn’t fear the media, or the liberals and will, if elected, tear the executive establishment asunder.


8 posted on 12/07/2011 9:33:07 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: St. Louis Conservative

glad you posted this.

I DO NOT like Newt and like Romney even less.


9 posted on 12/07/2011 9:33:30 AM PST by a real Sheila (golden retrievers rule!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Whatever his policies, Huntsman is going nowhere.


10 posted on 12/07/2011 9:36:42 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: stuartcr

From Wikipedia:

Huntsman was born March 26, 1960 in Redwood City, California.[2] His mother is Karen Haight Huntsman, daughter of LDS Church apostle David B. Haight.[3] His father is billionaire businessman and philanthropist Jon Huntsman, Sr. of the Huntsman Corporation.[4] Through his father, Huntsman, Jr. is the great-great-great-grandson of early LDS Church leader Parley P. Pratt.[5]

In 1975 (age 15), Huntsman earned the rank of Eagle Scout, the highest rank of the Boy Scouts of America.[6][7] Huntsman attended Highland High School in Salt Lake City but dropped out before graduating to pursue his passion as a keyboard player in the rock band Wizard.[8][9]

Huntsman later obtained a G.E.D. and enrolled at the University of Utah, where he became, like his father, a member of the Sigma Chi fraternity. Huntsman served as a Mormon missionary in Taiwan for two years. He then transferred to the University of Pennsylvania, where he received a bachelor’s degree in international politics in 1987.
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11 posted on 12/07/2011 9:36:52 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
The fact that he won't take part in the Trump debate says it all about Hunstman - nose-in-the-air elitist. Sorry, we don't need more of that kind in DC.
12 posted on 12/07/2011 9:37:08 AM PST by Major Matt Mason (The Chicago Way isn't the American Way.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

What conservatives flirted with an individual mandate?


13 posted on 12/07/2011 9:37:30 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: St. Louis Conservative

The manchurian candidate.. Zeros choice for chinese emissary.. Barry Half-Whites attempt to fool the chinese..

-OR- Barrys contact with his chinese bosses..
-OR- his attempt to finalize his claim for the american territory in the new world order..

Note; Hunstman is a democrat TOOL.. Plan “Z” if plans A” thru “C” fail.. i.e. A=Romney, B=nOOt, C=Paul


14 posted on 12/07/2011 9:37:30 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Hey, St. Louis, I remember you from the last election cycle. No thanks.


15 posted on 12/07/2011 9:38:18 AM PST by eureka! (Bless Our Troops. D*mn the Left.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
In addition to being in Obama's employ as the Ambassador to China, here are some of Huntsman's views, per www.ontheissues.org.

Homosexuals:

Believes in traditional marriage but also civil unions

Supports civil unions and other rights for same-sex couples

Agreed to extend some rights to gay people

Immigration:

Vetoed repeal of college tuition for illegal immigrants.

Border fence repulses me; inconsistent with America's image.

2008: GOP should tack to the middle on immigration.

Environment:

Congress should cap greenhouse-gas pollution

And finally:

So... No thanks!

16 posted on 12/07/2011 9:45:36 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: trisham

Thanks


17 posted on 12/07/2011 9:46:10 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Interesting comparisons, and I respect Cato. One concern (of several other, more cosmetic ones): why could Huntsman only garner a "B" vote by Cato in a state like Utah? Looks like he did some good things there, but he wasn't cuffed at all.

An intriguing thought: did Obama pick him for China to keep him away in 2012? Now that I look at him in more detail, I'm surprised Huntsman made such a blunder by taking it (he could have faked something about his family when turning it down). He has nice, solid credentials and a good (not great) track record. He gave a nominating speech for Palin, for crying out loud.

But I think he's too much like Obama in one sense: he wants to be president but can't tell anyone why, other than he wants to be.

Newt wants to be president, I think, because he wants to be a historic figure. Given that historic figures include the good and the evil, I'm not saying that's necessarily a plus.

I think Romney wants to be president because it's been drilled in him since a young age that he would be good at it. I don't necessarily think he's as passionate as Newt, but I think he would consider it a failure if he never became POTUS.

18 posted on 12/07/2011 9:46:42 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Please give this article, and Jon Huntsman, an honest assessment.

OK, Huntsman had his nose so far up the one's butt, it took two weeks to get the stain off.

Are you insane, this pimp fawned over obama.

Is that honest enough for you?


19 posted on 12/07/2011 9:46:50 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

He’s a cut above Romney/Gingrich/Perry, who are basically soft fascists. But that’s not saying much, and he wouldn’t really lead in the direction I think we need to go.

He’s also a CFR/CoC sock-puppet. Romney has an air-tight lock on most of the GOP electorate that gravitates to those types of candidates. And Paul has a pretty tight grip on the Libertarians. For Huntsman to have a realistic chance at the nomination, he’d need both those candidates to withdraw - and that’s just not going to happen because they both have deep pockets and loyal niche followings.

I would be genuinely supportive of Huntsman (probably wouldn’t vote for him, but would consider it a step forward for US politics) if he were to run as a democrat.


20 posted on 12/07/2011 9:48:13 AM PST by CowboyJay (Generic Republican - 2012. He's the only 'electable' candidate.)
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To: cotton1706

http://race42012.com/2011/12/07/gingrich-on-kudlow/

watch this interview of Gingrich, I just went from reluctently following to shaking with excitment supporter of Gingrich after watching it.

I honestly think Gingrich is the smartest politician of my lifetime.


21 posted on 12/07/2011 9:48:38 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: Major Matt Mason

Elitist ? And then there is Gingrich...lol

Bachmann ? I heard she was also leaning no.


22 posted on 12/07/2011 9:49:15 AM PST by erlayman
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To: cotton1706
Newt, for all his faults, has been battling the liberals for 30 years.

Sure, when he's not agreeing with them.


23 posted on 12/07/2011 9:50:47 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Major Matt Mason
The fact that he won't take part in the Trump debate says it all about Huntsman - nose-in-the-air elitist.

Well... though I'm no fan of Huntsman, IMO he gets props for washing his hands of Trump. I find the GOP candidates' pilgrimages to kiss that self-worshiping, publicity-craving a**hole's ring rather puke-inducing.

24 posted on 12/07/2011 9:51:19 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: USS Alaska

Hell I didn’t vote for Brian Rooney here in Michigan because his uncle Dan was appointed ambassador to Ireland by Obama. These Obama appointments are payback for political favors. Don’t know what favor Huntsman did for Bammy but I’m sure a little digging could find it.


25 posted on 12/07/2011 9:51:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: stuartcr

Just FYI, Huntsman isn’t for capping greenhouse gases and would build the fence out of necessity even though he hates the idea (consistent with most Americans).


26 posted on 12/07/2011 9:53:02 AM PST by erlayman
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Huntsman seems more genuine than Romney, that’s for sure. And more conservative.


27 posted on 12/07/2011 9:54:31 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Please give this article, and Jon Huntsman, an honest assessment

You're right... I did give it an honest assessment, and conclude Huntsman should offer the VP slot to Fred Karger, given Huntsman's penchant for supporting homosexual causes.

28 posted on 12/07/2011 9:55:07 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Newt is a bona fide genius and can hammer Obama with the best of them, but what good is it if you are famously immoral, undisciplined, both verbally and emotionally, with a leadership style that many who served under you would rather not have back.

And he is now flipping back over his flip flopped position and reasserting himself on the belief of mandates. Oh, but “personal ones”. WTF? Newt is now campaigning as another BIG gov’t guy. He sees gov’t intervention in everything.


29 posted on 12/07/2011 9:57:03 AM PST by erlayman
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To: St. Louis Conservative

If we’re looking at Huntsman, I think we should also look at Larry the cable guy.


30 posted on 12/07/2011 9:57:03 AM PST by Linda Frances
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Huntsman kissed Obama’s arse and sent him “love letters” after accepting the ambassador’s post to Beijing. That alone disqualifies him from the Presidency.


31 posted on 12/07/2011 10:00:02 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Huntsman was on Laura Ingraham this morning saying he supports the conclusions of "99 out of 100 scientists" on Global Warming, much as he would support an equivalent ratio of scientists making conclusions about cancer. But then Huntman says he wouldn't do anything about it that would handicap America economically, especially if countries like India and China weren't on board as well.

Huh?

- So Huntsman believes "99 out of 100 scientists" that we're essentially destroying the planet, but the economy is more important?
- Or, Huntsman would be willing to handicap America's economy only if China and India agreed to handicap their economies as well - let's all shoot ourselves in the foot?

This is as ridiculous as Perry saying he's not for Amnesty yet is willing to give in-state tuition for illegals.

32 posted on 12/07/2011 10:00:28 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
How credible is a candidate who states openly he would again work for Obama if asked?
33 posted on 12/07/2011 10:01:28 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Here’s the Obama line against Huntsman, in its entirety:

“Jon Huntsman made a fine ambassador to China, working for me, but I don’t think he’s ready to be promoted to President.”

What’s Huntsman supposed to retort to that, “Yes I am”?

That said, if by some vast cosmic accident Huntsman becomes the Republican candidate, I’ll vote for him. Anybody But Obama.


34 posted on 12/07/2011 10:07:07 AM PST by Argus
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To: St. Louis Conservative
"Don't worry about a thing, Sir. If your people can arrange the nomination for me, you're in for another four."


35 posted on 12/07/2011 10:09:11 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: ScottinVA
That's a pretty good test, but not quite extensive enough. I find myself on the 80% economic/50% social juntion, IOW, right where moderate, libertarian and right/conservative meet.

This probably makes Huntsman 3rd closest to my views (after Bachmann and Santorum). I would take him over Newt or Mitt for no other reason than his two years as ObaMao's ambassador to China leaves him less tainted than the political resumes of the other front runners.

Except for the fact that he ain't never going to be a front runner.

36 posted on 12/07/2011 10:24:51 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ScottinVA

Sounds like another McCain.


37 posted on 12/07/2011 10:25:36 AM PST by 353FMG
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To: St. Louis Conservative
I will give an honest assessment, based on his record.

Jon Huntsman is THE most liberal candidate in the race. PERIOD. He is far to the left of Romney, Gingrich, or anyone else running. At least Ron Paul can rightfully claim to have a libertarian voting record...not Huntsman. He is as centrist as you can get.

Jon Huntsman's entire record.

38 posted on 12/07/2011 10:26:32 AM PST by pcottraux
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To: ScottinVA

Thanks for that, I posted a link as well.

Ontheissues.org is a very handy website for researching any politician’s record. The results are often very surprising. (Not in the case of Jon Huntsman, though).


39 posted on 12/07/2011 10:30:25 AM PST by pcottraux
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Are you Huntsman’s internet campaign manager?

Just asking.


40 posted on 12/07/2011 10:32:50 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: for-q-clinton

so, If I understand this correctly, our field of candidates is as follows:

1) mcromney.... communist lite

2) mcgrinchrich.... socialist lite

3) mcperry.... the bushes 4th term

4) bachman.... mcromneys puppet

5) ron paul.... enough said

6) santorum.... who??????

7) huntsman.... who????

I will not be staying home, I will vote for the tea party house and senate candidates.... so far, daffy duck gets my vote for president...


41 posted on 12/07/2011 10:40:02 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
I would encourage all to give this article an honest read and I challenge you to find where Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich would be preferable to Huntsman. Huntsman's record and platform are to the right of BOTH, and Huntsman can and will defeat Obama in the general. I truly think that Huntsman has the ability to pull off a landslide win - and that means we keep a big majority in the House and we take the senate with several seats to spare.

Please give this article, and Jon Huntsman, an honest assessment.

I am going to keep an open mind when I do read it. I was for Palin then Cain... but now I want the person who'll defeat the MARXIST in the WHITE HOUSE... and to give the US TAXPAYERS RELIEF from HIGH TAXES!!!

If it is Huntsman, I'll be for him. None of the people who got a chance to be nominated are perfect!!

42 posted on 12/07/2011 10:47:50 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: Vigilanteman

Bachmann, Santorum and Perry will almost certainly drop out after Iowa if they don’t place within the top 3 (which they won’t). Then the race can start in earnest.

Huntsman hasn’t’ been marketed fully due in large measure to a right wing defamation campaign. Conservatives must be four times as happy with Obama or twice that of Romney/Gingrich if ‘front runner’ status is enough of a substantive and reasonable basis around which to base political support. Never mind that a Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney candidacy would doom the Tea Party — what the heck, Huntsman served his country in a non-partisan capacity - for Obama ! Gotta play the ‘served your country’ card.


43 posted on 12/07/2011 11:01:27 AM PST by erlayman
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Here’s a review of Huntsman by the Club for Growth

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepapers/?subsec=137&id=911

Highlights:

tax cuts from 2005 to 2007 totaled $407 million

Incredibly, Governor Huntsman said in 2009 that President Obama’s failed “stimulus” spending bill didn’t spend enough – it should have been a trillion dollars

Huntsman was also unequivocal in his backing of the Wall Street Bailout, or TARP

Governor Huntsman’s general ideological attitude towards health care is very concerning. He once said “health care is a right,” and he once threatened insurance companies in Utah with adding mandates if they did not reduce the price of health insurance

In 2006, the Cato Institute reported that Governor Huntsman had “proposed an annual average hike in spending of close to six percent in real per capita terms, which substantially outstrips personal income growth in Utah, and makes him one of the biggest spending Governors in the nation.”


44 posted on 12/07/2011 11:02:11 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: cotton1706

“Newt, for all his faults, has been battling the liberals for 30 years.”

Unfortunately, for the last 10 years, he has been battling conservatives i.e. those radical rightwing social engineers and radicals trying to vote for a conservative in NY23. Every trendy liberal cause in the last 10 years, Newt was there. Global Warming, cap-and-trade, amnesty, fairness doctrine etc etc


45 posted on 12/07/2011 11:02:57 AM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (radical rightwinger))
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Meh... Why bother with a Moderate when there is a real Libertarian in the mix. Two term New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson. Much better RKBA record than Huntsman too.

Bachmann is back to being my fave though for the GOP nod...

Newt and Willard can go suck a root.

46 posted on 12/07/2011 11:09:04 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Huntsman is a prettier Romney.


47 posted on 12/07/2011 11:09:30 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

One of the main problems that many Libertarians have (like some of those at CATO in my opinion), in my view, is that in the area of ‘capitalists’ many Libertarians mistake every Capitalist for a Libertarian free-enterprise Capitalist and ignore the fact that many are mere crony-capitalists, some are Mercedes-Marxist-Capitalists, some are private but state-connected mercantilists and some are state-owned “Capitalists”; and some are even outright big-government fascistic Capitalists.

Many Libertarians, in my book, deny the fact that when it comes to ALL our Liberties, many kinds of Capitalists (not all) don’t give a damn about any Liberties but their own, and least of all ours.

Thus, my support of the ‘business community’ is not a knee-jerk Libertarian-purest reaction (as if the ‘capitalist’ world reflects a non-existent Libertarian-pure world) that all Capitalists and what they want to do must be judged as if they, as a class, are all the same - they are not.


48 posted on 12/07/2011 12:56:18 PM PST by Wuli
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To: St. Louis Conservative
You are correct, SLC...his appearance on Laura Ingraham yesterday went well and certainly caught her attention...and mine. I'm taking another look. His disagreements with me may be minor when compared to the trouble spots of Newt , Mitt or whomever.

Of course...see my tagline

49 posted on 12/08/2011 7:41:49 AM PST by chiller ( Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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