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DNA samples confirm wolves killed Southwest Alaska teacher
Anchorage Daily News ^ | December 7th, 2011 | DAN JOLING

Posted on 12/07/2011 11:07:16 AM PST by skeptoid

At least two wolves chased down and killed a teacher who was jogging on a road last year outside a rural Alaska village, according to a report released Tuesday by the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.

(Excerpt) Read more at adn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Alaska
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. . . . .. .Berner's death by wolves was unprecedented in Alaska but the animals were immediately suspected. . . .. ..

In other words, this is the first time Alaskan authorities and PETA types are compelled to admit that wolves attack and kill people

1 posted on 12/07/2011 11:07:26 AM PST by skeptoid
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To: skeptoid

Biologists ruled out reasons for the attack other than aggression. Investigators found no evidence that the wolves had acted defensively or that Berner was carrying food. They found no kill site that wolves may have been defending, no indication that the wolves had become habituated to people and no evidence of rabies.

“This appears to have been an aggressive, predatory attack that was relatively short in duration,” the report concluded.

wow...


2 posted on 12/07/2011 11:09:16 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: skeptoid

Terrible story. The lesson here is that no one should ever go alone out in woodland environments without being properly armed, especially in Alaska and the Northwest, where people are not at the top of the food chain.


3 posted on 12/07/2011 11:13:22 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: skeptoid
The beauty of Alaska is it's not like the lower 48.

If you want to jog like you're jogging in the lower 48, fine, but if something happens don't scream that we need to make Alaska like the lower 48.

4 posted on 12/07/2011 11:14:19 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Holding our flawed politicians to higher standards than the enemy’s politicians guarantees they win)
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To: skeptoid

Much greater detail can be found at:

Findings Related to the March 2010 Fatal Wolf Attack near Chignik Lake, Alaska
http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/home/news/pdfs/wolfattackfatality.pdf
Wildlife Special Publication, ADF&G/DWC/WSP-2011-2
Alaska Department of Fish and Game, Division of Wildlife Conservation

The DHSS State Medical Examiner asserted that Ms. Berner died from “multiple injuries due to animal mauling.” The Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G) and the DPS Alaska State Troopers (AST) then evaluated both the physical evidence and the eyewitness testimony of Chignik Lake residents. The investigators concluded that Ms. Berner was attacked and killed by wolves.


5 posted on 12/07/2011 11:16:16 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: skeptoid

Government is happy it worked out this way.

If people defend themselves and kill the wolves, the government then has to crush them down and destroy their lives for shooting wolves. They don’t care if they’re going to kill you.

That which is necessary, is legal. That is the basis for self-defense for thousands of years.


6 posted on 12/07/2011 11:18:08 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Timber Rattler

My thoughts eggsacktly....


7 posted on 12/07/2011 11:22:04 AM PST by b4its2late (Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former.)
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To: skeptoid

bump for later


8 posted on 12/07/2011 11:24:29 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: skeptoid

A frriend of mine who lives in the Northern California mountains told me that the envuironmentalists have released a number of breeding couples of Canadian wolves in her area recently.

The larger Canadian wolves difer from our Timber wolves by over 100 pounds, stand on all fours at the waist of a six foot man!

Many pets, deer and other animals have gone missing since the release.

Apparaently this is being done in many various locations.


9 posted on 12/07/2011 11:28:55 AM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge)
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To: skeptoid
When he and other residents returned the body had been dragged further down the hill and more of the body had been consumed.

Answers my only question.

10 posted on 12/07/2011 11:31:48 AM PST by douginthearmy (Still undecided.)
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To: skeptoid

That she was running, just as prey would, likely didn’t help.

Yes, she should have been armed, but there’s no guarantee she’d have been able to draw & get off a shot.

Better to have the opportunity!


11 posted on 12/07/2011 11:31:55 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: thackney

Imagine that, the wild animals can be aggressive!! Who’da thunk!

Berner was the food?
Ran too close to pups?
Berner was trespassing in their backyard?
The wolves were playing?
The wolves were being wolves?
The wolves smelled something on her - fragrance, pet smell, McDonald’s, etc.?
She was singing along with Celine Dion?


12 posted on 12/07/2011 11:34:17 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: skeptoid

Did they pick the wolves out of a police lineup?


13 posted on 12/07/2011 11:43:40 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: skeptoid
In other words, this is the first time Alaskan authorities and PETA types are compelled to admit that wolves attack and kill people

Must be illegal immigrant wolves...doing the job that American wolves won't do.

14 posted on 12/07/2011 11:44:00 AM PST by spokeshave
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To: Paperdoll

that should make life interesting for the Nuestra Familia
types running grow ops in the woods..


15 posted on 12/07/2011 11:44:17 AM PST by RitchieAprile (Beck is on a tear again..)
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To: bgill

The wolves smelled something on her - fragrance, pet smell, McDonald’s, etc.?

One thing for sure, it wasn’t McDonald’s. From out there at Chignik Lake, it is at least a oouple hundred miles to the closest McDonald’s on Kodiak and you cannot get there by road.


16 posted on 12/07/2011 11:46:57 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: skeptoid

In this modern age of useful idiot liberal fantasies, many people just forget that there are still things in the wilderness that will kill and eat you. If you’re incapable of dealing with potentially dangerous wild animals, you should recognize it, and move to some nice safe burbia.


17 posted on 12/07/2011 11:48:23 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: G Larry

My son in law frequently goes hunting in grizzly country and I asked him if he carries “bear spray”. He said yep, its called a .357.


18 posted on 12/07/2011 11:48:58 AM PST by jesseam
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To: Stillwaters; Jeff Head
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Biologists ruled out reasons for the attack other than aggression. Investigators found no evidence that the wolves had acted defensively or that Berner was carrying food. They found no kill site that wolves may have been defending, no indication that the wolves had become habituated to people and no evidence of rabies.

“This appears to have been an aggressive, predatory attack that was relatively short in duration,” the report concluded.

19 posted on 12/07/2011 11:52:05 AM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much. We will much about that be committed.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Ain't that the truth.

We can't let our dogs run loose in the winter or the wolves get them pretty quick; put them in 15x15 pen when they want outside.

Wolves come and go, usually around a week or two then move on, travel big circles that take month or two to come back around. You usually know when they are around. Sad, but that girl had just came to Ak and probably didn't even know much about wolves which is common sense here.

WE have had young yearlings walk up our lane, don't even know to fear people yet. My kids have called them in while at bus stop with mouth squealers. Wife was seeing single female every morning at end of our lane (wife is a teacher and she rides school bus to school when its minus 45). I went down a couple days with AR but wolf wasn't walking the road when I was there. The wolf ended up grabbing my neighbors dog and he ran out in his driveway with shotgun, sprayed blood all over the snow.

I actually like having wolves around just keep numbers within check. Best way is to have trapping incentives or ariel control with helos. Even then they only get the dumb ones and only as long as there's new snow to see new tracks. Them wolves get in the brush real quick when shot at. Last time they done some here where I live they got 88 in 3 days, then the wolves got wise and the greenies got an injunction; but the kill % was dropping quick then anyway. Origiunally they wanted to get 250 out of the estimated 400 wolves in my area; actually they were lucky to get 88.

We get a few every hunting season when the caribou are migrating through as the wolves walk the rural roads. I sit on a chair in the bed of my trk with gun on cab roof on sandbags. They have certain places they always cross. I just pull off the road and wait until dusk.

You don't want wolves down in lower 48 if they ain't there now, just too many problems with wolf luvers once they get established.

20 posted on 12/07/2011 11:52:51 AM PST by Eska
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To: skeptoid

I want to hear Tom Brokaw report on this story. For one thing, the article doesn’t indicate whether or not she was delicious, as former President Gerald Ford surely would have been.


21 posted on 12/07/2011 11:54:16 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: bgill
Check out the labeled pictures of the attack site at the end of the report---they pretty much tell the story.

She was jogging along, oblivious to the world with her earphones in, rounded a curve in the road, and saw a small pack of 3 to four wolves. She turned and ran, dropping her mittens in the process.

One wolf went low off the road, one went high, and the one or two still on the road herded her ahead. The wolf on the high berm got ahead of her, jumped down on top of her, and the rest piled on, probably tumbling down the hill side on the north side of the road. Severely wounded, she briefly got away, but they grabbed her, pulled back down, and then mauled her to death.

Quick, brutal, and coordinated.

Wolves are not people's friends, despite what the enviro-whackjobs say.

22 posted on 12/07/2011 11:57:22 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: lonevoice
WOLVES IN IDAHO BECOMING AN INCREASING, DANGEROUS PROBLEM
23 posted on 12/07/2011 11:59:27 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: jesseam

Me too....fishing near Yosemite.

S&W Model 686, 7 shot .357, with 200 grain hard point.

You’d better be able to get back on targer for as many follow-up shots as possible!

Folks keep talking about carrying rolling canons, without confidence in their ability to do this.
(.44 mags, .50’s, etc.)


24 posted on 12/07/2011 12:02:34 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: thackney

"Would you two quit fighting? I am so bored. Look, there's a stupid human female all by herself."

25 posted on 12/07/2011 12:04:29 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Timber Rattler

Good advice. It’s also not very smart to go jogging in areas where there are predators capable of taking down a human. They see you running, there’s a good chance they will think: “FOOD!”


26 posted on 12/07/2011 12:06:16 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: thackney

Generic for food.


27 posted on 12/07/2011 12:06:27 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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The wolves DID smell food “on her” - she was made out of MEAT.

She may also have been menstruating. Nothing like the smell of fresh blood.

IIRC she was wearing headphones and most likely didn't even hear their approach.

28 posted on 12/07/2011 12:06:54 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: RitchieAprile

They’re running outdoor grow ops in ALASKA?!?


29 posted on 12/07/2011 12:08:54 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: jesseam
a .357

Which is the MINIMUM caliber for bear country.

30 posted on 12/07/2011 12:09:51 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: Timber Rattler

That’s why wolves should exterminated where ever they are close to humans or livestock.


31 posted on 12/07/2011 12:12:44 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: bgill

understood

Some people just don’t realize how remote, remote can be in Alaska. Some folks cannot comprehend being a few hundred mies from the nearest McDees.


32 posted on 12/07/2011 12:18:10 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Tastes just like chicken....”Hannibal Lecter”


33 posted on 12/07/2011 12:22:16 PM PST by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: skeptoid

She was only 4’10”, and unarmed.


34 posted on 12/07/2011 12:30:39 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: jesseam

My son in law frequently goes hunting in grizzly country and I asked him if he carries “bear spray”. He said yep, its called a .357.>

A tad light,.44mag is preferable. I never leave home without it when going into the woods across the road. Bad critters there. My buddy’s 13 yo nephew shot an over 6’ cougar sneaking up on him. One shot, through the eye, at 100 feet, with a BOW !


35 posted on 12/07/2011 12:30:39 PM PST by gunner03
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To: Paperdoll
from Wiki:

"Dimensions

Gray wolves are the largest extant members of the Canidae, excepting certain large breeds of domestic dog.[24] Gray wolf weight and size can vary greatly worldwide, tending to increase proportionally with latitude as predicted by Bergmann's Rule.[45] Adult wolves are 105–160 cm (41–63 in) in length and 80–85 cm (32–34 in) in shoulder height.[46] The tail is ⅔ the length of the head and body,[47] measuring 29–50 cm (11–20 in) in length. The ears are 90–110 millimeters (3.5–4.3 in) in height, and the hind feet are 220–250 mm.[46] Wolf weight varies geographically; on average, European wolves may weigh 38.5 kilograms (85 lb), North American wolves 36 kilograms (79 lb), Indian and Arabian wolves 25 kilograms (55 lb)[48] and North African wolves 13 kilograms (29 lb).[49] Females in any given wolf population typically weigh 5–10 lbs less than males.[50] Wolves weighing over 54 kg (120 lbs) are uncommon, though exceptionally large individuals have been recorded in Alaska, Canada,[50] and the former Soviet Union.[46][51] The heaviest recorded gray wolf in North America was killed on 70 Mile River in east-central Alaska on July 12, 1939 and weighed 79.4 kilograms (175 lb),[50] while the heaviest recorded wolf in Eurasia was killed after World War II in the Kobelyakski Area of the Poltavskij Region, Ukrainian SSR, and weighed 86 kilograms (190 lb).[51]"

I occasionally see a guy with a big, big dog called a Neopolitan Mastiff, and that dude is huge. Slobbering, friendly, unlike my ideas about Gray Wolves in the wild.

It is a good thing to remind ALL dog owners that their veloved friends descend from very capable carnivores.

My 3.5 pound Chihuahua is viscious, when angry, scared, provoked, in presence of perceived food competitor, etc.

In about 1/1000 second he reverts thousands of years from domestic pet to wild hungry wolf, in spite of his small size, which he doesn't understand in the least.

Hate to imagine him at 175 pounds.

36 posted on 12/07/2011 12:31:51 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: thackney

>>>Some people just don’t realize how remote, remote can be in Alaska. Some folks cannot comprehend being a few hundred mies from the nearest McDees.<<<

I’m writing this about 280 miles from Fairbanks. Between Fairbanks and myself there are less than 1,000 people, most of whom are in several small villages. It’s been a good place to live. I’ve learned an enormous amount of self-reliance. My son has especially benefited from living out here. And I like living with the wolves, and the bears, and the cold - it teaches you humility and modesty.

We mourned the death of that teacher up here. It’s sad that she didn’t understand where she lived, and it must have been an awful way to die. RIP


37 posted on 12/07/2011 12:35:26 PM PST by redpoll
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To: bgill

She was singing along with Celine Dion?

&&&

Oh, I’d maul her if she made me listen to Celine Dion’s screeching.


38 posted on 12/07/2011 12:48:40 PM PST by Bigg Red (In this Advent season: Prepare ye the way of the Lord.)
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To: truth_seeker
There's a pretty excellent, albeit relatively concise book by British veterinarian David Alderton, titled, "The Wolf Within." It's an approach to dog ownership, training, etc. based entirely on the fact that deep down in their DNA, our best friends are essentially lupine beasts.

"My 3.5 pound Chihuahua is viscious, when angry, scared, provoked, in presence of perceived food competitor, etc...Hate to imagine him at 175 pounds."

There's some pretty powerful pack ferocity on display in microcosm in these rat terriers at work.

39 posted on 12/07/2011 12:52:59 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; Shannon; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; ...
WOOOF!

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40 posted on 12/07/2011 1:03:04 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: skeptoid
After the tragedy, when residents were unable to kill wolves, the Fish and Game Department decided to cull wolves within 30 miles of the village and killed eight.

Don't understand "unable." Is it illegal? Don't the neighbors have guns? What's up with this?

41 posted on 12/07/2011 1:03:54 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Joe 6-pack

“There’s a pretty excellent, albeit relatively concise book by British veterinarian David Alderton, titled, “The Wolf Within.” It’s an approach to dog ownership, training, etc. based entirely on the fact that deep down in their DNA, our best friends are essentially lupine beasts.”

In my suburban coastal area, the local environment has been stirred up, making some species move and adjust.

One such species known to adapt extremely well are coyotes, which are now dining frequently on pet cats. One was ours.

Somebody got a video nearby, at dawn driving into his neighborhood. There on the sidewalk ahead was a coyote, with a cat in his mouth. The coyote put the dead cat down, picked it back up, and strolled fearlessly down the sidewalk.

One thing which struck me in the video was the ease with which the coyote held the cat.

Ironically, for years my wife kept our cats inside, so they would be safe from cat fights, night howling, etc. She’d let them out at dawn for a piss and a bite to eat.

I guess the coyotes figured dawn is a good breakfast hunting time. My wife was more devestated over the loss of this pet, than over any previous loss.

He was a very cool guy. He was born in our closet, to a nearly feral mother.

*NOte—cat in video not ours.


42 posted on 12/07/2011 1:19:40 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: thackney; Timber Rattler; Little Ray

I come from a ranching family, and the area I live in is not as remote or nearly as wild as Alaska, but it is all ranches, woods and acreage neighborhoods. We do not have the California-type predator problems because most people here have lived in the country for many years, although the gated neighborhoods have lots of transplanted townies.

After being nearly hunted to extinction here, mountain lions/cougars were quietly re-introduced to this part of Texas some 30 or more years ago, and are still a protected species. Because there was no big fanfare about the thing, people simply took better care to fence or bring in livestock at night-or put a couple of donkeys or llamas out with them. Llamas are very popular for that purpose, and are mean, fearless creatures that probably would try to bite and kick a tiger to death, never mind a cougar-they are very effective at limiting loss of livestock to predators like coyotes and mountain lions-we don’t have bears or wolves here.

I hike and spend a lot of time in the area of the woods I live next to several times a week. There are two resident cougars there who prey upon the almost-tame deer and the townies’ well-fed, slow domestic pets which are allowed to run loose and unfenced-no livestock for them. All the same, I carry a big walking stick, do not use headphones when listening to my music, do not hike alone in areas where there are cougar tracks nor ride my mountain bike on trails in those woods, and I never, EVER run or jog.

A bit of extra trouble, yes-but well worth the caution to enjoy unspoiled, car-free forest im my own back yard. Animals were here before people, period-anyone who isn’t able to co-exist without wanting to exterminate them needs to live in a city and do their jogging, walking, biking etc. on the sidewalk or in a city park.


43 posted on 12/07/2011 1:19:40 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"....)
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To: skeptoid

Could have easily been a Griz, Brown or even a Black Bear..
No excuse for not being armed in Alaska.. especially in Alaska..

No permit is needed for having a pistol in Alaska..
Having a 22. cal pistol is simply just not enough..
Course filling out the paper-work after killing one of the beasts could bore you to death..


44 posted on 12/07/2011 1:20:38 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: trisham
She was only 4'10"

She probably appeared to the wolves to be an unattended child—a very tempting opportunity.

45 posted on 12/07/2011 1:35:32 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: truth_seeker

I’m so sorry about your cat-being eaten by coyotes is the unfortunate fate of many transplanted townies’ pets out here-dawn and dusk are the primary predator hunting times, according to my game warden neighbor-best to avoid hiking alone or letting a pet out at those times.

You cannot adopt a cat from the animal shelter in this or most other nearby counties unless it is neutered and you sign a paper that you will keep it totally indoors-my cats do not ever go outside, and my Husky only goes out if I’m with her-cougars get over fences to grab even large pet dogs outside alone.


46 posted on 12/07/2011 1:35:32 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"....)
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To: Texan5
put a couple of donkeys or llamas out with them

Anatolian Shepherds are also excellent for protection against large predators, although llamas are more interesting animals.

47 posted on 12/07/2011 1:41:02 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: Jeff Chandler
That's very possible. She certainly would have seemed vulnerable, and since she was 115 pounds, each wolf would probably have outweighed her.

I can imagine that at her height, her stride would have been very short as well, which might have made her even more appealing.

Poor woman. What a horrible way to die.

48 posted on 12/07/2011 1:42:47 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: truth_seeker

Neapolitan Mastiff

49 posted on 12/07/2011 1:43:26 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
If she suddenly reversed course after spotting wolves, the report said, a flight response or the appearance of one "could have elicited a predatory response by the wolves."

COULD have elicited a predatory response? They are predators. They always have a predatory response.

50 posted on 12/07/2011 1:57:02 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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