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To: Responsibility2nd
To Perry supporters: I am glad that Perry supports marriage strongly, and is pro-life. And it should go without saying that many conservatives who are not supporting Perry (including me) would vote for him, AGAINST Obama, if Perry were to become our nominee.

But that said ... I do not understand how can you continue in your boosterism for Perry when he has shown himself to be SO incompetent in the all important exchange of ideas?

And I am not just talking about his little "oops" slip-up. Did any of you watch the "candidates' forum" moderated by Huckabee a few days ago?

This was an excellent non-debate format where each candidate got to have his time alone with the questioners. The questioners were the three state attorneys general who are the lead plaintiffs in challenging OBAMAcare before the Supreme Court (Ken Cucinelli of VA, Pam Bondi of FL, and another AG from OK).

Well even in this non-debate scenario, Perry was a disaster!

Did you hear Cucinelli's and Bondi's post-forum analysis of Perry's answers regarding OBAMAcare? Devastating to Perry.

And before anyone goes off on Cucinelli and Bondi - they are NOT lamestream media leftists. They are flat-out constitutional conservatives and experts on OBAMAcare.

15 posted on 12/07/2011 1:39:54 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: shhrubbery!

So he’s a bad debater and not verbally acute. And there are other negatives as well.

But he is the most solid conservative that still has a chance.

Wait till the Southern primaries. Rick will get his second chance.


23 posted on 12/07/2011 1:54:18 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: shhrubbery!
Not sure what your problem was with Perry's response. He did allow himself to get distracted when he was talking about the various head of the agencies, but he very clearly stated that an Executive order could reverse parts of it and that the various department heads could, through their rulings take care of the rest of it.

I see very little difference between that and executive sequestration (impoundment) of funds for programs of which they don't approve (first used by Jefferson during his 3rd year). It is also not essentially different from the signing statements that almost every President since Munro has issued and that Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, and now Obama have used to negate aspects of the laws they signed.

I believe he did a fantastic job in that interview.

Everyone can see for themselves here on YouTube
29 posted on 12/07/2011 2:35:28 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: shhrubbery!; Responsibility2nd

Actually Huckabee gave Perry high marks for the forum, said it was by far his best performance to date in the debates. Coming from Huckabee, who has no fondness whatsoever for Perry, I found that very encouraging.

Also, IIRC, Pam Bondi had effusive praise for Perry’s staunch defense of the 10th Amendment. The Virginia and Olklahoma AG’s saw it much the same way. If you recall, the reason for the forum was to see which of the candidates were constitutional conservatives.

The consensus among Huckabee and the 3 AG’s was that Perry certainly fit that mold. On the matter of EO’s trumping law, the AG’s obviously tried to help Perry walk that back a bit, and he did. He made clear that regulations within Executive Branch agencies were an additional tool he could weild to undo Obamacare.

On balance, I got the impression that Huckabee and the AG’s were favorably inclined towards the Governor’s responses.


30 posted on 12/07/2011 2:36:37 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: shhrubbery!

I do not have a TV, nor did I hear the commentators remarks about Perry after the debate, but I do remember that Reagan did not do well int he debate with Carter in 1980, but people trusted him anyway because of the things he’d been saying all along. We need to look at the total candidate, not the ability to debate well. Newt can debate well, granted, but he cannot stay conservative (leadership values) because that is not who is he is really. He is a big government Republican who likens himself to Teddy Roosevelt. TR founded the first socialist party in America.

Not all people do well on stage. One who governs well may not be orally gifted, but I would 100 times over prefer someone who was a great leader than one who awes everybody with his speeches but destroys the land I love. After 3 years of the teleprompter and all the hooplah about how smart The One is, wouldn’t it be nice to have an ordinary American, one who loves America, has some sense about governing and a good track record at that?


31 posted on 12/07/2011 2:42:51 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: shhrubbery!

Whew you sure are full of lies. Did you come to FR from DU?


35 posted on 12/07/2011 3:14:00 PM PST by Katarina (Rick Perry the Best man for President ! NEVER Romney! And no thank you to any of the others.)
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To: shhrubbery!

What are you saying? From all reports on the Huckabee forum, Governor Rick Perry gave his strongest performance. When Perry said that he would wipe Obamacare off the face of the earth with an executive order, that’s when Cuccinelli questioned how he could eliminate a law of Congress with executive action. Perry gave all a lesson in his executive expertise by saying that an executive order could stop “parts” of the health care law which would render it ineffective. He also said, “But also, as I said earlier, having men and women in those agencies who are going to share your philosophy – I think that’s an important message.”

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi: “Perry is the one that lived up to being the 10th Amendment Purist Tonight”

Tweet from Ann Coulter to David Limbaugh: “I thought ole Rick Perry did very well.”

“I THINK RICK PERRY HAD HIS BEST DEBATE TONIGHT, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THIS WAS HIS FINEST HOUR, HE HAD SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS, AND HE ANSWERED THEM WELL, HE KNOWS THE CONSTITUTION, AND STICKS TO IT, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY HE STUCK OUT AS THE MOST CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE IN THE DEBATE TONIGHT !” ~ MIKE HUCKABEE


43 posted on 12/07/2011 5:27:05 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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