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Sources: Sources: Albert Pujols, Angels agree
ESPN.com ^ | Thursday December 8, 2011 | ESPN

Posted on 12/08/2011 7:45:40 AM PST by jpl

DALLAS -- Albert Pujols has agreed to a 10-year, $250 million deal with the Los Angeles Angels, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Thursday.

The deal includes a full no-trade clause, which Pujols had been seeking and may have been a sticking point in his negotiations with the Miami Marlins.

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To: dfwgator

I’m looking forward to Josh, Ian, Adrian, Nelson, Michael, and Mike getting their hacks in against Mr. Wilson...could be fun.


51 posted on 12/08/2011 9:40:28 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: EyeGuy

Cards fan here. Pujols is really only 31, as he was raised here in America. He is NOT, however, worth $250 for 10, especially with a no-trade clause. He’s been hurt every year for the last 4 years and his numbers are great, but in typical decline for his age. Angels will be looking to pawn him off in 3 years.


52 posted on 12/08/2011 9:43:32 AM PST by magritte
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To: EyeGuy; refreshed; texas booster; Impy

EyeGuy’s scenario sounds logical.

Would/can LAA sign C.J. Wilson?


53 posted on 12/08/2011 9:44:31 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (And who doesn't have baggage?)
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To: EyeGuy; refreshed; texas booster; Impy

EyeGuy’s scenario sounds logical.

Would/can LAA sign C.J. Wilson?


54 posted on 12/08/2011 9:44:31 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (And who doesn't have baggage?)
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To: jpl

I am shaking my head at this deal... AP is a beast right now, but unless this deal has a ton of riders/buy outs/etc this is among the worst deals in MLB history. If anyone thinks Pujols is really only 31 they are delusional - the man is probably 33-34 and maybe even older than that.

The Angels, if they are lucky, will get:
2 years of production worth what they are paying him
3 years of declining production but still acceptable
5 years of paying for injuries and mediocre player production that drains the team of any money to keep them competitive as AP happily cashes the Angels paychecks while fans bitch and moan about a last place team.


55 posted on 12/08/2011 9:48:21 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: EyeGuy
A lot of us thought that was important to AP. Apparently not.

That is why we Braves fans are so loyal to Chipper Jones. He not only took less to stay with the Braves, but then twice renegotiated his contract money out to the future to allow the team payroll room to sign new players.

He is at the end of his career now and not producing elite numbers anymore and that is fine with all of us. He is not breaking the bank, and we fans love him.

56 posted on 12/08/2011 9:56:06 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: commish

I’d much rather be the Rangers than the Angels....the Rangers have a lot of talent waiting in the wings in their farm system, and they have a lot of cash, but they’re not going to make a move just for the sake of making a move. They’re keeping their powder dry, and even if it means this year they drop off a little, they’ll be contenders for some time to come.

If CJ or Pujols is a bust, the Angels are screwed for years, just like the Rangers were with A-Fraud.


57 posted on 12/08/2011 10:14:00 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: CARDINALRULES

I couldn’t agree more.
My opinion of AP has sunk completely at this point and, while the Cards fans will be polite, they will never react to him like they do to Musial.


58 posted on 12/08/2011 10:17:35 AM PST by skoobedoo (Mr. Obama - if you act presidential, I will call you Mr. President.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Nah - by and large, STL Fans will be polite and respectable.
But, he has now ensured that he will NEVER be treated the way Stan the Man is and has been treated.


59 posted on 12/08/2011 10:21:58 AM PST by skoobedoo (Mr. Obama - if you act presidential, I will call you Mr. President.)
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To: jpl
I grew up down the street from Angels Stadium. Lived and died...many times with that team!!

Then I moved to Oklahoma...in '97...and they have a dream season in 2002..and win it all!!!!

That all said....I don't think they paid too much. 3 yrs from now...it may look cheap!! And Pujols would just be 35 yrs old. We shall see!!

The thing that's bothering me...is what happens to Trumbo, Morales?? I don't think Morales isn't ready to play first base. And I think this pick-up confirms that. But can he DH? We shall see. Now Trumbo...is a great kid. And did a great job last year!! What now? Can he play 3rd??? Not sure....but I think the Angels are going to find out!

The Angels weren't that far away from the Rangers this last year....and the Angels played horrible at times...and guy's had some bad years too.

All that said....I'm excited for them!!

60 posted on 12/08/2011 10:58:24 AM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: EyeGuy
One year doesn't make "a decline".....And it was a slim decline.

Hard to know if the Angels overpaid....But apparently that's the going rate. Free market is working...as far as I'm concerned.

Full disclosure....I'm a life long Angels fan. And I NEVER figured Moreno would pony up for Pujols. NEVER.

Got to say though...EyeGuy...your fairness statement smacks me over the head! Sounds real PC to me..........

61 posted on 12/08/2011 11:05:24 AM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: EyeGuy
BTW...I subscribed to MLBTV.com this last season!! And it was one of the best purchases I ever made!!

Watched the W.S. and that was one of the best W.S. ever!! Hope you were there!!

62 posted on 12/08/2011 11:07:17 AM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: Dysart
Haren, Santana, and Weaver.....are maybe the best group of 3 starters in MLB.

Yes, the Angels gave up too many leads. But that wasn't those 3's fault. They need back-end support. Walden isn't quite ready.

Now I guess they have signed Wilson. Not sure I like that signing...but it does bring a left hander into the fold. Buerle would have a been a better fit...as far as I'm concerned.

We shall see!!

63 posted on 12/08/2011 11:15:10 AM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: Osage Orange

“Got to say though...EyeGuy...your fairness statement smacks me over the head! Sounds real PC to me..........”

PC?

So if you and I sit down to a game of Monopoly, you’ll have no problem if I get to start with $10,000.00 and you only get $2,500.00?

No, I didn’t attend this year’s Fall Classic, but did get to bask in the proximal aura of David Freese about a week ago. LOL.


64 posted on 12/08/2011 11:22:38 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy
Dude!!

Your TEAM just won the WORLD SERIES!!

And you are moaning on more than one post about inefficient FAIRNESS!!???

Come on man....you seem have had your feelings really hurt here. Hey, I'd be pissed too.

BUT YOU JUST WON THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!

My Gawd man....how many have the Card's won??? Your FAIRNESS mantra....is suggesting to me...that your team as won too many!! LOL!!!

65 posted on 12/08/2011 11:24:00 AM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: Osage Orange

Well then let me expand on what should be an obvious point.

Teams like the Yankees that spend upwards of 5 times as much as teams like the Pittsburgh Pirates enjoy a HUGE advantage in QUALIFYING for the playoffs. The Pirates with their bargain basement roster, don’t stand a chance of MAKING the playoffs.

Once IN the postseason, anyone can get hot and win it. That is the mulch that is covering the badly scarred trunk of the tree.

The Cardinals, due to the support they receive, are able to spend a healthy amount on payroll, but still have to be careful and efficient in the way they deploy their resources or they will pay the price on the field.

The Yankees, Red Sox and apparetnly the Angels can afford to make BIG mistakes (and they have), and not suffer the consequences.

That is what is unfair, compared to say the NFL.

Out in the real world, away from the artifical construct of a game which requires EVEN application of the rules, I am as big a free marketeer as anyone.


66 posted on 12/08/2011 11:37:17 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: CARDINALRULES

My thoughts exactly. How much more in taxes does he have to pay in California compared to Missouri?

Plus, the cost of living is considerably higher in Lala land as well. How much more will it cost him in that category?

The taxes and living costs will eat up most of the difference in the offers he got from the Cards to the Halo`s.

I am a life long Cardinals fan and my first reaction when I heard the news was , “ so what “ !! The Cards are still stacked and now they have about 200 million more to spread around if they wish.

Long term, this may actually work out better for the Cards.

I wish Pujols all the luck in the world with his new club. Loved watching him and still will, but Cardinal nation will endure. Go Cards !!!


67 posted on 12/08/2011 12:18:37 PM PST by Bud Krieger (Another President , another idiot......)
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To: EyeGuy
Life isn't fair.

Not everyone can live in SoCal...where the weather is nice most of the time.

You're pissed...at losing AP. I get it!

I was TOTALLY PISSED when that witch Georgia stole the Anaheim RAMS...and moved to ST. LOUIS!! But hey, I got over it.

You will get over it too..........

We will agree to disagree.....I guess.

68 posted on 12/08/2011 12:23:51 PM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: Osage Orange

“You’re pissed...at losing AP. I get it!”

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I don’t know why you keep saying that. It is beyond just an oversimplification of what I’m saying, it is totally inaccurate.

As I’ve made clear in this thread I’m GLAD the Cardinals didn’t match the Angels’ offer, in fact I thought they were already offering him too much. I wish Albert would have retired as a Cardinal, but I wished MORE that the team wouldn’t overpay for his services, and cripple our ability to compete in the future. Now just give us back our farmhand Danny Haren and we’ll be happy. LOL.

So back to the point we’ve been discussing, what is UNFAIR is that the Cardinals cannot afford to be wasteful or take the chances with payroll that teams with deeper pockets can. That asymmetry is even more ridiculous with teams that don’t enjoy the consistent fan and financial support that the St. Louis Cardinals do.

Regarding LA and the NFL, it is hard to believe that after 16 long years you guys might finally be getting a team again. It is difficult to fathom that one of the most attractive markets IN THE WORLD, has gone without NFL football for so long. One theory, popular here in St. Louis, is that the threat of moving to the enormous and wealthy LA market was and is used as a hammer by the owners to coerce local cities to give them what they wanted.

I don’t know about that; it seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.


69 posted on 12/08/2011 12:41:40 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy

” It is difficult to fathom that one of the most attractive markets IN THE WORLD, has gone without NFL football for so long.”

In those 16 years thousands of American NFL fans have been pushed out of SoCal by soccer fans from below the border.


70 posted on 12/08/2011 1:42:38 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: EyeGuy
I don’t know why you keep saying that. It is beyond just an oversimplification of what I’m saying, it is totally inaccurate.

I dunno...just seems like you were/are.

As I’ve made clear in this thread I’m GLAD the Cardinals didn’t match the Angels’ offer, in fact I thought they were already offering him too much. I wish Albert would have retired as a Cardinal, but I wished MORE that the team wouldn’t overpay for his services, and cripple our ability to compete in the future. Now just give us back our farmhand Danny Haren and we’ll be happy. LOL.

Highest bidder generally wins services.....And it's up to the parties involved to determine whether they paid too much...or weren't paid enough. ( Yes, I'm aware of..."When you are making 26 mil a year...what's another 2 mil?? Maybe it's pride, maybe it's something else...) Haren ain't coming back!! HA!! The guy is a horse. Love watching him!!

So back to the point we’ve been discussing, what is UNFAIR is that the Cardinals cannot afford to be wasteful or take the chances with payroll that teams with deeper pockets can. That asymmetry is even more ridiculous with teams that don’t enjoy the consistent fan and financial support that the St. Louis Cardinals do.

I disagree with the word UNFAIR...especially in today's climate. So be it.

Regarding LA and the NFL, it is hard to believe that after 16 long years you guys might finally be getting a team again. It is difficult to fathom that one of the most attractive markets IN THE WORLD, has gone without NFL football for so long. One theory, popular here in St. Louis, is that the threat of moving to the enormous and wealthy LA market was and is used as a hammer by the owners to coerce local cities to give them what they wanted.

Well it ain't you guy's anymore....I live in OK. Yeah, Al Davis tried that....Didn't work. He asked for way too much....Surprising really...as SoCal politicians are idiots. Maybe they wanted bribes...and he wouldn't go for that? Would not surprise me....Davis was a character.

71 posted on 12/08/2011 2:04:49 PM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: GOPsterinMA
Would/can LAA sign C.J. Wilson?

They already did before you posted this. It kinda got overshadowed by Albert.

72 posted on 12/08/2011 7:01:12 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: proudpapa

Well Pineda is good too right?


73 posted on 12/08/2011 7:06:14 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

I saw that after I posted.

LAA’s going for it, bigtime!!!


74 posted on 12/08/2011 7:14:05 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (And who doesn't have baggage?)
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To: jpl

GO ANGELS!


75 posted on 12/08/2011 8:54:38 PM PST by GR_Jr.
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To: jpl
I think the Angels gave him way too much..

Ryan Howard is still making more per year than Pujols and Howard can't even walk, let alone hit.
This year my Phils won't make it to ANY playoff.

76 posted on 12/08/2011 9:15:08 PM PST by this_ol_patriot (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner)
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To: jpl
I'm not a Cardinals fan, but seeing him leave St. Louis makes me sad.

But he can't be faulted for it. The Cardinals did their best, but the Angels made him feel wanted -- and $50 million wealthier. He pretty much had to take it.

77 posted on 12/09/2011 10:24:25 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

The Angels already have Bobby Abreu DHing. Albert is the firstbaseman. But you do wonder what they’re going to do with Mark Trumbo and Kendrys Morales. I hear Morales may be non-tendered.


78 posted on 12/09/2011 10:26:02 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: EyeGuy

The Angels just got a 20-year TV deal that pays $150 million per year. I think they can afford to pay Pujols and C.J. Wilson.


79 posted on 12/09/2011 10:28:44 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

“The Angels just got a 20-year TV deal that pays $150 million per year. I think they can afford to pay Pujols and C.J. Wilson.”

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Well that is hardly the point.

I never doubted whether they could “afford” to be utterly stupid with their money.

Therin lies the problem. 3/4 of the teams do not have that luxury, and are at a gross disadvantage to qualify for the Playoffs. What obfuscates that plain and embarrassing fact is that once IN the postseason, anyone can win it all.

Gross payroll asymmetries make MLB a laughably riggged game.


80 posted on 12/10/2011 8:11:37 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy

Let’s see. Who made the playoffs this past season?

The Yankees, the Detroit Tigers, the Texas Rangers, and the Tampa Bay Rays. The Phillies, the Milwaukee Brewers, the Arizona Diamondbacks, and the St. Louis Cardinals. Some big-market teams in there, but some small and medium markets too. Who wound up in the World Series? The Rangers and the Cardinals. Not exactly big market clubs with huge revenue streams.

The Boston Red Sox, a team with a huge revenue stream and a payroll over the luxury tax threshold, the team that won the 2010 Winter Meetings with Gonzalez and Crawford, missed the playoffs entirely. :)


81 posted on 12/10/2011 4:29:35 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

Small sample sizes work wonders.

The huge asymmetrical payroll advantages don’t always translate EVERY SINGLE YEAR into the top payroll teams making the playoffs, but the odds OVER TIME are undeniably in their favor.

Why should they be allowed to enjoy that clear advantage, which also involves the enormous luxury of taking chances with payroll, AND the ability to spend through mistakes?

Extending this logic, we might as well do away with the weight classifications in wrestling and boxing. After all, once in in a great while a welterweight, MIGHT actually KO a heavyweight


82 posted on 12/10/2011 4:55:14 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy

So you think baseball should be socialist and everyone should have roughly equal payrolls and revenue?


83 posted on 12/10/2011 7:45:18 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

You are misusing a loaded term (particularly on a conservative forum), to distort the argument.

All games with rules from Monopoly to Chess to the NFL are “socialized”, in that the SAME RULES apply to everyone.

No one is asking for the owner of a flagship franchise like the St.Louis Cardinals to share his properly earned revenue with a lesser franchise like the Miami Marlins.

HOWEVER, for the good of the game, the amount of money which can be allotted for payroll should be the same for every team.


84 posted on 12/10/2011 8:43:02 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy

Cincinnati the previous year, along with the Giants. I can cite a few of these each season.


85 posted on 12/10/2011 8:50:42 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP
There are always a “few” from each season. We've already covered that.

You continue to avoid the fundamental points made regarding the patently obvious, and long-term unfairness of the gross payroll discrepancies among teams.

So if the system is fair as it is, and to really bend the argument in your favor with a lot of latitude that grossly understates the magnitude of the discrepancies, you'd put REAL even money bets on the chances of teams in the bottom half of the team payroll rankings, to make the playoffs with the same frequency versus those in the top half?

I know the answer to that question.

So does any child

And so do you.

86 posted on 12/10/2011 9:27:48 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy

I’d be happy to be t on that. Decent management can overcome a lot. Watch Tampa over the next several years. Kansas City has had a bad spell, but they’re on the upswing. (The Yankees had long dry spells in the 1960s and 1980s.) There are some others.

Now, teams like Huston that are just incompetently managed have a long road ahead of them. But the Rays, Reds, Royals, and other small market teams figure to be competitive for a while.

Unlike, say, the Mets and Dodgers.


87 posted on 12/10/2011 9:31:37 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: jpl

BTW, it’s $254 million.


88 posted on 12/10/2011 9:32:22 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

Your use of the word “overcome” concedes the argument.

In a fair game, the ground rules are the same for all participants, and one player does not have to overcome a built-in disadvantage in the ground rules.


89 posted on 12/10/2011 9:50:11 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy

With the coming inflationary spiral, Pujols will be lucky to buy dinner with his $25 million in 10 years.


90 posted on 12/10/2011 9:54:05 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: EyeGuy

But the rules are the same for everyone. That’s the point. Your problem is that you’re approaching this like a socialist. Somehow, if one team has more money than another, you find that unfair.

What is this? Occupy Baseball?


91 posted on 12/10/2011 10:08:50 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: MediaMole

Ha!

I agree.

Though some would argue that is not our inevitable future, even positing a deflationary (!) scenario. I can’t even begin to follow the rationale of that.

I know a fair amount about economics, but even a fundamental understanding of basic household money management would strongly indicate that all signs point toward corrosive, pathological inflation.

That is what I’m preparing for, anyway.


92 posted on 12/10/2011 10:10:33 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Osage Orange

They do apparently plan to offer Morales a contract. he will not be non-tendered.


93 posted on 12/10/2011 10:10:53 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

Total BS, and still yet more silly irrelevant word games.

Your avoidance, obfuscation, misdirection and clumsy interjection of charged jargon has now become just an utter waste of valuable time.

Have a nice CHRISTmas.


94 posted on 12/10/2011 10:16:31 PM PST by EyeGuy (tORAL)
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To: Dysart

Weaver, Wilson, Haren, and Santana are a pretty tough foursome.


95 posted on 12/10/2011 10:27:43 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

Non-tendering Kendrys Morale would be foolish, although likely. He was very solid prior to his injury and I’m sure LAA could get something for him.


96 posted on 12/11/2011 6:33:28 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (And who doesn't have baggage?)
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To: GOPsterinMA

The Angels do plan to offer him a contract. Morales will not be non-tendered. But Pujols, Morales, and Trumbo are a crowd.


97 posted on 12/11/2011 12:23:41 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: EyeGuy
In a fair game, the ground rules are the same for all participants, and one player does not have to overcome a built-in disadvantage in the ground rules.

Dude....do you work at the U.N.?

98 posted on 12/11/2011 7:07:18 PM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: Osage Orange

Dude, do you understand even basic economics?

Dude, do you understand why games have rules that are the same for everyone.

Dude, have you got an axe to grind.


99 posted on 12/11/2011 7:47:30 PM PST by EyeGuy (tORAL)
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To: Osage Orange

Dude, do you understand even basic economics?

Dude, do you understand why games have rules that are the same for everyone.

Dude, have you got an axe to grind.


100 posted on 12/11/2011 7:47:39 PM PST by EyeGuy (tORAL)
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