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LIVE: House Judiciary Hearing on Operation Fast and Furious
C_SPAN ^ | 12-8-11

Posted on 12/08/2011 7:52:17 AM PST by thouworm

Watch live on C-SPAN3

or on the internet at this link:

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Atty-Gen-Holder-on-Operation-Fast-and-Furious/10737426112-1/


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fandfhearing; fastandfurious; gunwalker; holder; issa
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1 posted on 12/08/2011 7:52:19 AM PST by thouworm
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Live on internet here:

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Atty-Gen-Holder-on-Operation-Fast-and-Furious/10737426112-1/


2 posted on 12/08/2011 7:53:42 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm
After listening to another string of lies, a pubbie Congressman threatened Holder with impeachment. Follow through and do it.
3 posted on 12/08/2011 7:55:19 AM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions.)
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To: thouworm

Issa Starts Fast And Furious Scandal Website

http://issues.oversight.house.gov/fastandfurious/


4 posted on 12/08/2011 7:57:08 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: thouworm

Nothing will happen to this communist lowlife racist lying scumbag creep. He just won’t answer any questions he doesn’t want to, won’t give any documents that he doesn’t want to, and he’ll just perjure himself relentlessly, and prolifically. He knows he will not be held responsible or prosecuted for anything whatsoever. These bastards are all criminals, and seemingly above the law these days. I hope he has a damn heart attack.


5 posted on 12/08/2011 8:03:06 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: MestaMachine; Nachum; bergmeid; little jeremiah; simplesimon; All

Good live blogging at link below for those who want to catch up on the hearing or those who can’t watch live.

http://barracknow.blogspot.com/2011/12/live-blogging-todays-fast-and-furious.html


6 posted on 12/08/2011 8:15:46 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Smokeyblue; All

Thanks for that link. Issa came out firing in his opening statement. When I find the transcript, I will post.

Holder is ever the arrogant stonewalling weasel.

Smokeyblue’s link also has LIVE link to the hearing.

From your link:

Key Goals of Investigation

Expose the full scope of Fast and Furious
Deliver the Fast and Furious facts to the American people
Eliminate the program’s dangerous investigative techniques
Discover who is responsible for starting Fast and Furious
Discover who is responsible for implementing Fast and Furious
Discover which high-level government officials knew about Fast and Furious
Discover which high-level government officials approved Fast and Furious
Expose high-level government officials who failed to stop Fast and Furious
Hold accountable those responsible for Fast and Furious
Protect taxpayers’ rights to Congressional oversight of the Executive Branch


7 posted on 12/08/2011 8:22:52 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

My Congressman obviously came armed and ready to take on Holder..........Update at 10:25am EST: Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) asks Holder if he thinks the ‘buck stops with you.’ Holder basically accepted responsibility without accepting accountability. He also referred to the February 4th letter that DOJ ultimately withdrew. Called for Deputy Attorney General Lanny Breuer to be fired. Sensenbrenner is asserting that someone at the DOJ ‘lied’ and that ‘heads should roll.’ Holder says no one at the Justice Department ‘lied’ (that’s a lie).

Update at 10:29am EST: Wow. Sensenbrenner is threatening impeachment. In response, Holder whips out the tired ‘Inspector General’ argument.


8 posted on 12/08/2011 8:27:24 AM PST by milwguy
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To: thouworm

Holder questioned about the “inaccuracies” in the letter given by DOJ to congress and subsequently withdrawn was based on information given by underlings to supervisors then passed on by this letter.

Why wasn’t the follow up to his statement - which underlings gave this “inaccurate” information and why haven’t they been fired?


9 posted on 12/08/2011 8:28:25 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Answering your question here also.

Chairman announced they have to adjourn to vote. They will take NO lunch recess and will reconvene when the voting is finished (expected to be about 20 min). Hearing will end at 1:15pm.


10 posted on 12/08/2011 8:30:15 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: ZX12R

Issa has enough goods on Holder that he (thru his subordinates) confessed “I lied to Congress under oath”.
Issa is just boxing him in now so it doesn’t matter what he does or doesn’t do, he’s toast.

And in related news, Blagojevich was just convicted to 14 years for much less, involving a certain player also involved in F&F. There’s lots of hope.


11 posted on 12/08/2011 8:34:08 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: ZX12R
You are right, this is a sick dog and pony show.

And I'm not at all surprised that the Dems are doubling down asking what more can Congress do to help you - oh beloved Mr. Holder.

Nothing pisses me off more than when I'm on a conservative site discussing how crooked, devious and evil our govt has become and someone posts “your tinfoil is on a little too tight”. Watch this crap and tell me that.

12 posted on 12/08/2011 8:34:36 AM PST by roofgoat
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To: TexasRedeye

Issa has used that question before, and I expect we’ll hear it again before the day ends.


13 posted on 12/08/2011 8:35:17 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: thouworm

Nice link. Thanks. Gonna be entertaining.

The word “impeachment” was used in earnest.


14 posted on 12/08/2011 8:40:44 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Smokeyblue

Good. Nice to see who tops the “Players” chart.


15 posted on 12/08/2011 8:43:53 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: milwguy; TexasRedeye; MestaMachine

Answer by Holder to Sensenbrenner to the question: “What’s the difference between lying and misleading Congress in this context (regarding the withdrawn letter):

Holder:”well...eh, if you want to have this legal argument, conversation, it all has to do with your state of mind and whether you had the requisite intent to come up with something that can be considered perjury or a lie.”

Sensenbrenner: The wagons down the street are in a pretty tight circle, Mr AG. The American people need the truth. And they haven’t gotten the truth from what has been coming out of the Justice Dept in the last year and they are relying on Congress to get the truth.


16 posted on 12/08/2011 8:47:31 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: roofgoat
On Line Piracy and racist voter suppression. Yeah, this is going places.
17 posted on 12/08/2011 8:51:59 AM PST by roofgoat
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Update at 11:37am EST: Rep. Mel Watt (D-NC) is announcing that he’s not going to talk about Fast and Furious. Instead, he’s going to highlight the Attorney General’s positives (time for a power nap).

Before I start dozing, it’s interesting to note that Watt is a registered member with the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) caucus.

http://barracknow.blogspot.com/2011/12/live-blogging-todays-fast-and-furious.html


18 posted on 12/08/2011 8:55:02 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: ctdonath2
And in related news, Blagojevich was just convicted to 14 years for much less, involving a certain player also involved in F&F. There’s lots of hope.

It's okay to have hope, but not a lot of it. Blagojevich was simply abandoned to his own fate, because he was an unlikeable idiot, and it was a very rare conviction. As long as Holder remains part of the team and keeps lying, nothing will happen to him. He has too much protection from the rest of the lying democrat criminals. He will be protected so he can advance the socialist agenda of the Kenyan president.
19 posted on 12/08/2011 8:58:44 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: thouworm

ping


20 posted on 12/08/2011 9:03:02 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: ZX12R; MestaMachine

Update at 11:45am EST: Rep. Elton Gallegly (R-CA) is asking Holder about welfare fraud?! Important topic but it would be nice to see him yield his time to an F&F expert. A corrupt Justice Department is on the ropes over gun-walking, not Eastern European gangs who are exploiting our welfare system.

This is a welcome breather for Holder courtesy of a Republican. Again, important topic but not the best use of Gallegly’s time.

http://barracknow.blogspot.com/2011/12/live-blogging-todays-fast-and-furious.html
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What is the matter with these Repubs??? Are they this clueless? or is it deliberate?


21 posted on 12/08/2011 9:06:02 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: shooter223

jackson lee is an ass


22 posted on 12/08/2011 9:06:36 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi

yep...and the Marxist Dems have no problem coordinating their efforts to stonewall and obfuscate and use the clock and get back to their talking point -— gun control!


23 posted on 12/08/2011 9:11:37 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

now we get a 2-fer, waters is making an ass of herself


24 posted on 12/08/2011 9:13:50 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Update at 11:52am EST: Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) has a bizarre hair-do. Is displaying her ignorance by comparing Fast and Furious with Wide Receiver under Bush administration. Her indignation at a perceived attack on Holder is clear. Anyone seeing a trend with the Democrats?

Update at 11:55am EST: Rep. Lee is now saying Alberto Gonzalez, Attorney General in the Bush administration, covered up ‘torture memos’ while Holder is being forthcoming about Fast and Furious (yes, that’s insane). Holder’s Department has stonewalled for nearly a year and recently withdrew a letter it submitted to Congress because it was false.

Update at 12:03pm EST: Ruh Roh. Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) is up. Yes, she’s nuts, she’s partisan, and she is a registered member with the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) caucus as well.

http://barracknow.blogspot.com/2011/12/live-blogging-todays-fast-and-furious.html


25 posted on 12/08/2011 9:17:41 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: MileHi
now we get a 2-fer, waters is making an ass of herself

She is a certifiable kook. Praising Holder for his efforts to stop this bad, bad gun walking practice. What a joke.
26 posted on 12/08/2011 9:18:24 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: thouworm

Thanks for the ping. I am watching .They are speaking of the DISTINCTION between OPERATION WIDE RECEIVER under BUSH and FAST AND FURIOUS.

GOOD!


27 posted on 12/08/2011 9:21:14 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: MestaMachine; 444Flyer; Nachum

ping


28 posted on 12/08/2011 9:22:23 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: All

WATCH LIVE LINK

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Atty-Gen-Holder-on-Operation-Fast-and-Furious/10737426112-1/


29 posted on 12/08/2011 9:23:38 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Dan Lungren back on track...but just barely...


30 posted on 12/08/2011 9:24:15 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: ZX12R

She had the audacity to blame Bush.


31 posted on 12/08/2011 9:24:44 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

cali congressman lungrin did a good job


32 posted on 12/08/2011 9:26:26 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi
cali congressman lungrin did a good job

Yes, he did. Is this guy up now, the "islands can flip over" guy? LOL! He is a real genius.
33 posted on 12/08/2011 9:28:32 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: MileHi

Lungren (paraphrase): When you screw up, you ought to say you screwed up and then not use your screw up to extend your authority and your legislative agenda


34 posted on 12/08/2011 9:29:01 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm
Hank Johnson is on. What if all the licensed gun dealers were to stand on the edge of Guam? Would it tip over?

Hank Johnson is a moron. A total idiot. A retard. He is proving it right now....

35 posted on 12/08/2011 9:29:27 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: thouworm
DEMOCRAT FROM GEORGIA Is speaking of loophole in gun show regs


36 posted on 12/08/2011 9:29:58 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: ZX12R

what a friggin brain trust


37 posted on 12/08/2011 9:29:58 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: thouworm
Update at 11:37am EST: Rep. Mel Watt (D-NC) is announcing that he’s not going to talk about Fast and Furious. Instead, he’s going to highlight the Attorney General’s positives (time for a power nap).

Someone should have raised a point of order that the topic was not germane to the committee's needs or purpose and demanded that Watt either revise his course of questioning or yielded his time.

38 posted on 12/08/2011 9:31:16 AM PST by kevkrom (Separation of Business and State)
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To: thouworm
is hank johnson of greogia drunk or having a stroke as he speaks ???

the world must be laughing its ass off at our *leadership*...

39 posted on 12/08/2011 9:31:42 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: MileHi

It’s very difficult to understand how this moron got elected to anything, period. Sheesh.


40 posted on 12/08/2011 9:32:37 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: MileHi
I don't know whose voice is more annoying Holder or the slooooow talking Johnson


41 posted on 12/08/2011 9:34:05 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: isthisnickcool; Gilbo_3

What if all the licensed gun dealers were to stand on the edge of Guam? Would it tip over? Hank Johnson is a moron. A total idiot. A retard. He is proving it right now....
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lol. Doesn’t matter as long as he can take orders and follow the talking-point directives issued to him and the rest of the Dems. They function like an ant colony.


42 posted on 12/08/2011 9:35:11 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: ZX12R

I have numerous friends that happen to be black. All of them are pretty darn smart people. I wish they were morons. They could get high paying jobs in Washington. That is obviously what Obama is looking for.


43 posted on 12/08/2011 9:35:43 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Gilbo_3

Issa called out Holder about calling the NRA kooks or whackos?What did I miss when did Holder do this?


44 posted on 12/08/2011 9:35:57 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: thouworm
Thanks for this important thread. I woke up this morning and saw part of this being broadcast on MSNBC. When damaging info started to be brought out, they went to their talking (shrunken) heads.

So I went to FOX and they were still showing it.

When an interesting informative Rep representative started asking important questions, they departed the stream.

So I went to CSPAN 3 on the TV.

Man, what a smarmy degenerate lying Obama sycophant Marxist/Socialist bastard Holder is.

45 posted on 12/08/2011 9:37:17 AM PST by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: thouworm
Sheilah Jackson Lee's bizarre hairdo is supposed to represent a tiara. She thinks of herself as a queen

She is using the typical lame excuse of the left, the other side did it, so it's okay if our (their) side does it, even though the other (our side) followed the law

46 posted on 12/08/2011 9:38:01 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Issa is on now. None of the Email records subpoenaed and provided were Holders, he held those back.
47 posted on 12/08/2011 9:38:26 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
It was not Holder, it was Hank Johnson that made that comment about the NRA.

I hear Shelia Jackson-Lee. She is about as smart as Hank Johnson.

48 posted on 12/08/2011 9:38:34 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: thouworm
Issa told Holder he cannot claim executive privilege. LOL was that Waters or Lee interrupting Issa what a hack!!!
49 posted on 12/08/2011 9:39:07 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: opentalk

“Issa is on now. None of the Email records subpoenaed and provided were Holders, he held those back.”

Surprise, surprise.


50 posted on 12/08/2011 9:39:17 AM PST by maggief
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