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Why we should consider a per-mile road tax
CNN ^ | 7:52 AM EST, Thu December 8, 2011 | By Michael D. Meyer, Special to CNN

Posted on 12/08/2011 8:01:15 AM PST by redreno

(CNN) -- Based on recent history and what's likely to happen to the nation's infrastructure, it's an inescapable conclusion: We will need new and different sources of funding if we are to have the type of transportation system that is needed to support economic prosperity.

For the past 75 years, the U.S. road network has provided the foundation for much of the nation's economic development. This network has not come without a cost; estimates are that the replacement value of the nation's roads is $1.3 trillion.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: driving; globalwarming; mileagetax; no; roads; tax; taxes; teaparty
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1 posted on 12/08/2011 8:01:16 AM PST by redreno
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To: redreno
Why we should just put socialists against the wall and just shoot them.

LLS

2 posted on 12/08/2011 8:02:55 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: redreno

In other words, we want “Mo Money” cause we done spent the other money you have us on Obamacare and Porkulus.


3 posted on 12/08/2011 8:03:02 AM PST by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: redreno

Say the people who live in NYC and don’t own cars.


4 posted on 12/08/2011 8:03:36 AM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: redreno

Hmmmm, silly me, but methinks that we’re already taxed per mile when we burn gas. An added “bonus” (to low IQ government slimes, at least) is that the more gas one burns per mile, the more tax is paid.

What part of this does CNN and the dim-bulb-crats not understand?

Shove your tax (and the rest of your data gathering sensors) up your smelly Obamas, CNN.


5 posted on 12/08/2011 8:03:43 AM PST by Da Coyote (Liberalism - when you absolutely, positively have no ability to produce wealth.)
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To: redreno
Abolish "prevailing wage" contracts, which are merely requirements to hire union thugs, and then we can talk.

Until then, this is just union payoffs.

6 posted on 12/08/2011 8:04:06 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Holding our flawed politicians to higher standards than the enemy’s politicians guarantees they win)
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To: redreno
it's an inescapable conclusion:

And there they go. "You're either with us or you're wrong." Brilliant!

7 posted on 12/08/2011 8:04:48 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: redreno

I neglected to mention above that I believe that there was an added gasoline tax (in the 60s if memory is correct) that we were told was specifically for road maintenance.

Wonder where that went, welfare whores?

Again, shove it liberals.

CW-II is not far ahead.


8 posted on 12/08/2011 8:05:58 AM PST by Da Coyote (Liberalism - when you absolutely, positively have no ability to produce wealth.)
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To: redreno
Per mile road tax? BS. Its another self licking ice-cream cone bureaucracy waiting to happen, basically taxing to support the tracking infrastructure required to make it work while invading your privacy as big brother tracks your movement.
9 posted on 12/08/2011 8:06:34 AM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: redreno
We will need new and different sources of funding if we are to have the type of transportation system that is needed to support economic prosperity.

...or we could just spend the gas taxes on roads and bridges instead of bike paths and choo-choos.

10 posted on 12/08/2011 8:06:38 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I think we should plant trees on freeway medians, hang one socialist on each tree, and put up signs Your Tax Dollars At Work.


11 posted on 12/08/2011 8:07:24 AM PST by samtheman
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To: redreno
Oh... and obama and his union thugs already stole 1TRILLION dollars in infrastructure funding... I say shooting may be too good for them.

LLS

12 posted on 12/08/2011 8:07:30 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Red Badger; Darksheare

Ping.


13 posted on 12/08/2011 8:08:09 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: crosshairs

Say the people who live in NYC and don’t own cars.

But,But you will be paying the tax for bus and taxi companies


14 posted on 12/08/2011 8:08:58 AM PST by molson209
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To: redreno
Great idea.....pay to make the road and keep it paved and then pay per mile to use it. Next up? Tax the Air, there's only so much to go around!

I hate these people.

15 posted on 12/08/2011 8:09:35 AM PST by liberalh8ter
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To: redreno
The fuel tax revenue stream will decline because of increasing motor vehicle fuel efficiency and the growing number of hybrid and electric vehicles on the road.

Government-imposed CAFE standards and subsidized hybrids & electrics combine to create a "problem" that can be solved with new taxes and more government intrusion.

16 posted on 12/08/2011 8:09:37 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: redreno

I already pay a per mile tax, its called federal and states gasoline tax.


17 posted on 12/08/2011 8:10:27 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: redreno
There are three costs:

Space cost at times of congestion, road damage from use and other maintenance costs (e.g. snow/ice removal).

The first is a time issue, the second a weight/suspension dynamics issue, and only the third a flat rate per/mile use cost.

A proper allocation of the costs is tough to do.

18 posted on 12/08/2011 8:10:33 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: redreno

Possibly if they take out the gas taxes at the pump, but that would never happen.


19 posted on 12/08/2011 8:11:33 AM PST by AU72
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To: redreno

Yeah, and in addition, they want to get into the actual mechanix of “monitoring” those miles.....and at the same time every other little thing you do/don’t do no matter how slight!!!!!

Semper Watching!
*****


20 posted on 12/08/2011 8:12:04 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Magnum44

There are likely Laffer curve effects that will be unexpected by the economic illiterate “public servants”.


21 posted on 12/08/2011 8:12:16 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: redreno
(I)t's an inescapable conclusion

I generally stop reading whenever someone attempts to tell me what to think, feel or believe.

This is one of those times.

(With apologies to the Lake Superior State University's list of banned words) I'm just sayin...

22 posted on 12/08/2011 8:12:59 AM PST by Quality_Not_Quantity (A half-truth masquerading as the whole truth becomes a complete untruth. (J.I. Packer)
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To: redreno

if they think they had their hands full trying to enforce a 55MPH speed limit...


23 posted on 12/08/2011 8:13:14 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: redreno

CNN writing about new ways to collect your money rather than on how government should cut spending 60% elsewhere first. I am not shocked.


24 posted on 12/08/2011 8:14:45 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: redreno

“...the replacement value of the nation’s roads is $1.3 trillion.”

Isn’t this what the $800 Billion stimulus was supposed to be for?


25 posted on 12/08/2011 8:16:05 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: redreno

Truly earth shatteringly stupid idea.
They already shot themselves in the foot in NY by raising their tolls, taxing people who don’t even USE the rail systems for same rail systems, and add to that the TSA at every airport groping old ladies.
All of the above has reduced usage of rail, road, and air travel in NY alone.
A per mile road tax?
How would they even assess that?
Snoopware on your phone or installed on your car?
Give me a break, this isn’t George Orwell’s 1984 no matter HOW badly the leftists want it to be.


26 posted on 12/08/2011 8:18:16 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: crosshairs

I like the idea in general of assessing fees on heavy users of services rather than spreading the cost like peanut butter across all taxpayers.

In many areas, services like fire protection are supported by tax money, but if you still get a bill if you call for an ambulance, for instance. Roads, bridges, highways, etc are shared infrastructure that benefit everyone by enabling commerce, and thus deserve basic support from tax sources. But maybe the idea of setting higher usage fees for heavier users like trucking companies pay today is worth considering.

As one timely example, the distribution of letters and packages should be completely privatized and the government monopoly for USPS to delivery letter mail eliminated to allow competition. Will it be possible to send a piece of paper anywhere for 45 cents? No. But anyone who thinks it is today simply isn’t paying attention when USPS announces their losses and deficits. Let the free market decide what a thing is worth, not the gummint.


27 posted on 12/08/2011 8:19:31 AM PST by bigbob
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To: LibLieSlayer
"Why we should just put socialists against the wall and just shoot them."

I was just thinking of DNA's Quote from HHGTTG when I read the first bits of the story.

I was thinking: "This writer will be one of the first against the wall when the revolution starts!"

28 posted on 12/08/2011 8:22:37 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Darksheare

Atlanta installed a “HOT Lane” which is a dynamic-pricing pay-per-use lane on a major freeway thru the city.

Huge backlash underway.

Never mind that we ALREADY have a per-mile road tax in the form of gax taxes: several cents per mile, adjusted by rough mass of vehicle (trucks burn, and thus pay, more than low-impact cars & motorcycles).


29 posted on 12/08/2011 8:23:34 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: ctdonath2

Exactly!
In NY the gas is taxed at least three times before it even gets to the pump.


30 posted on 12/08/2011 8:24:34 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: bigbob

The per gallon tax automatically charges the heavy vehicles more than light and high usage versus low. The trouble is that the money collected goes everywhere but roads because it is such a steady stream of income. What doesn’t go directly to general funds gets diverted during road construction and repair with taxes on contractors and materials and impact fees..like building new schools etc.


31 posted on 12/08/2011 8:26:32 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: redreno

So the government can control where you go, also.

I remember as a child, feeling horrified when I found out in communist countries people weren’t free to move from place to place. Never dreamed of it here.


32 posted on 12/08/2011 8:28:58 AM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: redreno

Wouldn’t that mean that some bureaucrat would know where I’ve been and when? I’m not real wild about that idea.


33 posted on 12/08/2011 8:29:40 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: LibLieSlayer

The only way to do this involves invading your privacy - Fourth Amendment infringement.

Think Big Brother GPS recorder in every car.


34 posted on 12/08/2011 8:29:57 AM PST by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: redreno

The federal gasoline tax is a de facto mileage tax that has been in place for years. Our thieving government just spends the money on other socialistic causes.


35 posted on 12/08/2011 8:30:27 AM PST by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Paladin2
There are likely Laffer curve effects that will be unexpected by the economic illiterate “public servants”.

It isn't about revenue, it's about punishment and control.

36 posted on 12/08/2011 8:31:50 AM PST by null and void (This is day 1052 of America's ObamaVacation from reality.)
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To: redreno
This “tax” has nothing to do with money although that would be a nice side benefit for the thieves in D.C..

This is all about restricting movement of the population. It is easier to keep control when everyone is kept from moving around the country. The next proposition will be internal passports to further restrict movement.

37 posted on 12/08/2011 8:33:48 AM PST by Wordkraft
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To: samtheman

Ding, ding, ding!!!! We have a winner!!!!


38 posted on 12/08/2011 8:34:27 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: redreno

We already have one in the gas tax, the more you drive the more you pay.


39 posted on 12/08/2011 8:34:27 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: bigbob

Tax trucking services at a higher rate?

You’re forgetting that, when it comes to corporate taxes, the ones that end up paying it, are the consumers.

A higher fee to the trucking services will be passed on to the delivery of those goods, in the same way that higher gas prices result in higher price for goods at the retail level.

A corporate tax, or a higher gas tax to the delivery services, is the same as a hidden tax on consumers.


40 posted on 12/08/2011 8:34:34 AM PST by adorno (<)
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To: Darksheare

If the Democrats in Congress or in any state succeed in passing a Per Mile Tax, the Republicans in Congress should sponsor a bill the next day converting us to the Metric System...


41 posted on 12/08/2011 8:36:16 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Pretty much.


42 posted on 12/08/2011 8:37:42 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Darksheare
Give me a break, this isn’t George Orwell’s 1984

True.

In Orwell's tale there were places one could go where the government couldn't spy on you...

43 posted on 12/08/2011 8:41:06 AM PST by null and void (This is day 1052 of America's ObamaVacation from reality.)
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To: redreno

Because how else will this administration shut down the American economy, and industry?

This would be another key ingredient in Obama’s “Destroy America” agenda.


44 posted on 12/08/2011 8:41:10 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: LibLieSlayer

Agreed. The purpose of the federal gasoline tax is to fund a trust for highway repairs and development. Yet, it has been raided time and time again for various mass transit subsidies and other purposes beyond the intention of setting up the trust.

A per mile driven tax is doubling up on what is already a regressive tax. A larger portion of lower income wage earners mileage goes for getting to and from work.

But this is a big transfer of wealth from the rural to urban populations.


45 posted on 12/08/2011 8:41:40 AM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: redreno

Just another attempt to rob and impoverish rural people by the mob rule of the parasite city slickers.


46 posted on 12/08/2011 8:42:15 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Navy Patriot

Exactly! I’ll oppose this nonsense as long as I’m around.


47 posted on 12/08/2011 8:44:03 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: null and void

Got me there nully.


48 posted on 12/08/2011 8:45:18 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: samtheman
hang one socialist on each tree,

Why don't we plant trees with more than one limb?

49 posted on 12/08/2011 8:45:18 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: redreno

Typical CNN Democrat twink calling for more taxes, as if there aren’t enough already built into every gallon of gasoline..


50 posted on 12/08/2011 8:47:15 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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