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Holder Says Definition Of "Lying" To Congress Depends On "State Of Mind" (Video)
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Posted on 12/08/2011 12:36:52 PM PST by Nachum

AG Eric Holder attempts to avoid question about lying to congress. Saying that lying depends on one's state of mind. (December 8, 2011)

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It all depends on what you think the definition of 'think' is.
1 posted on 12/08/2011 12:37:01 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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2 posted on 12/08/2011 12:38:10 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

I swear, that bunch would rather climb a tree and tell a lie than to stand on the ground and tell the truth.


3 posted on 12/08/2011 12:39:10 PM PST by SailormanCGA72
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To: Nachum

It all depends on one’s definition of, “They caught my A$$ in a bald faced lie!”


4 posted on 12/08/2011 12:40:06 PM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Nachum

Hey, Eric, try that one on Scooter Libby whose recollections didn’t jibe exactly with Tim Russert’s.


5 posted on 12/08/2011 12:40:35 PM PST by Reo (the 4th Estate is a 5th Column)
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To: Nachum

I am not a crook.


6 posted on 12/08/2011 12:41:33 PM PST by mojito
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To: Nachum

Walk like an Egyptian and get out of lying like Clinton.


7 posted on 12/08/2011 12:42:30 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: Nachum

Holder is begging to be hooked up to a lie detector.


8 posted on 12/08/2011 12:42:52 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Happy Newt Year!)
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To: Nachum
How 1984 of him.
9 posted on 12/08/2011 12:43:10 PM PST by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: Nachum

This rat bastard needs to be in prison for conspiracy to commit murder, and so should his limp wristed boss.


10 posted on 12/08/2011 12:43:54 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: mojito
Or, in Holder's case: "In my mind, I am not a crook."
11 posted on 12/08/2011 12:44:04 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Nachum

Lying under oath is perjury. That is an impeachable offense.

PLEASE let there be enough GOP’ers to do the right thing.


12 posted on 12/08/2011 12:44:46 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: mojito

They won’t have Eric Holder to kick around anymore!


13 posted on 12/08/2011 12:44:46 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

I'm telling you stupid Freepers ... and you get this through your thick heads ... that Democrats never lie ... ever ... it just that our answers depend on what our definition of is is ... and anything you right wing nuts say to the contrary is ... well ... a lie!

14 posted on 12/08/2011 12:45:01 PM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: Nachum

—Rules on lying:

1) Never ever lie.

2) If you do lie, never ever stop.

Holder has gone with #2.

—Secrets:

Two people can keep a secret... if one of them is dead.

Holder and anybody involved with him should be concerned, very concerned.


15 posted on 12/08/2011 12:46:12 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/Palin-West-2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.")
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To: Nachum

These obfuscating bastards need to be all thrown in jail, period.

Another graduate of the Clinton school of doublespeak.


16 posted on 12/08/2011 12:47:22 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: Gator113

The Obama deadpool

http://www.nachumlist.com/deadpool.htm


17 posted on 12/08/2011 12:49:14 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Nothing is either “right” or “wrong”, ‘tis thinking makes it so.

Human beings have a continuous process going on in their minds that keeps weighing the various factors that go into the decision of how they may frame an answer, or ask a question, or reply to another statement, all going through a filter in their forebrains, of what is best, for ME, right now.

Depending on the audience and the impression one wishes to make, the message is tailored and edited, with one interpretation one time, and another, sometimes diametrically opposed expression, in a different context.

Truth is a slippery thing, like nailing Jell-O to the wall, and alternative rationalizations eventually cover the past actuality up so much that nobody can ever get a handle on what really happened.

Which is why you want to live longer than anybody else, you get to tell the stories your way, because who is left to disagree?


18 posted on 12/08/2011 12:50:28 PM PST by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: Nachum
It all depends on what you think the definition of 'think' is.

Lying liberal socialists are all the same. Revising the definition of "is" and "think".

19 posted on 12/08/2011 12:51:24 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Nachum

20 posted on 12/08/2011 12:52:40 PM PST by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: Nachum

Give me 5 minutes with Holder to get his “state of mind” right....


21 posted on 12/08/2011 12:53:20 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Nachum

Demonstrates the state of our country...incredible.

This is truly obnoxious...


22 posted on 12/08/2011 12:53:36 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Neidermeyer

Uh .... is that a pitcher of water and a towel you are hiding behind your back? :-)


23 posted on 12/08/2011 12:55:59 PM PST by MissMagnolia (Four letter word for Obama: LIAR)
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To: Nachum

“It depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is. If the—if he—if ‘is’ means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement”.

Holder has learned his lessons well.


24 posted on 12/08/2011 12:57:50 PM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Nachum


25 posted on 12/08/2011 12:58:55 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Nachum

Holder is on meds or whacked or both. He has something spaced out and nutty going on upstairs. So nutty it makes me think he was the prime author of Fast/Furious. Only a dumb spoiled urbanite comes up with such removed from reality schemes. I know right where Eric Holder grew up.


26 posted on 12/08/2011 1:00:21 PM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: Nachum
Not to defend Holder, who was lying, is lying, continues to lie, and should be impeached and imprisoned ... but his comment referred to "legal term of art" - he was speaking (as a lawyer) about mens rea, consciousness of guilt, which is necessary to prove if one is to prove crime.
27 posted on 12/08/2011 1:00:38 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Nachum

28 posted on 12/08/2011 1:01:22 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Nancy Pelosi - The #1 reason why we need a Constitutional amendment for Congressional drug testing.)
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To: Nachum

Anyone who thinks this lying marxist is lying to congress is a RACIST!! /s


29 posted on 12/08/2011 1:01:46 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Nachum

He is not lying, he is sitting down.


30 posted on 12/08/2011 1:03:47 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Nancy Pelosi - The #1 reason why we need a Constitutional amendment for Congressional drug testing.)
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To: Nachum

It all depends on what your definition if is, is.


31 posted on 12/08/2011 1:05:01 PM PST by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: alloysteel

It is daunting indeed to reflect upon the fact that intelligence chiefly developed as the enabling power of convincing lies, deception and cunning.

Even more daunting is the duty of acting well even if our ancestors were murderous and cannibalistic rapists for countless thousands of years.

Out of such crooked timber etc etc....


32 posted on 12/08/2011 1:07:33 PM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Nachum
Our agents and Mexicans have been murdered...DIED...because of Holder's decisions and now he LIES. And tries to cover his arse by saying that he did not lie because it depends on what one's "state of mind is" when reviewing all the contradictions about this that have come from him.

Tell me, Mr. Holder...what "state of mind" do you have that makes you consider their death less important than your own skin? What "state of mind" does one need to understand death?

Holder - people DIED and you LIED!! It doesn't take a "state of mind" to figure that out.

33 posted on 12/08/2011 1:10:14 PM PST by CitizenM (Obama's legacy will be to be remembered as The architect of the decline of the USA)
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To: CitizenM
Issa just asked Holder if he would release the emails he previously withheld.

Holder hemmed and hawed some more.

Issa informed him of contempt of Congress if Holder did not release them. Mentioned John Mitchell.

Holder after reference to McCarthy hearings to Issa, “Have you no shame?”

Holder is dead political meat. Gone.

34 posted on 12/08/2011 1:17:27 PM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions.)
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To: Nachum

Get his mind right. Water board him.


35 posted on 12/08/2011 1:20:27 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Nachum

Breathtaking Hypocrisy!!!


36 posted on 12/08/2011 1:27:25 PM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: headsonpikes

Yo mama!?! lol


37 posted on 12/08/2011 1:31:14 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Nachum

Does sounds better than “It depends on what the definition of “is” is.”


38 posted on 12/08/2011 1:33:44 PM PST by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: Nachum

By definition a “lie” always includes intent. An untruth could be due to actually believing the untruth. That doesn’t make it any less untrue, any less harmful, and always mean some level of incompetence, but it doesn’t necessarily mean there was intent to tell an untruth.

But when the incompetence gets grossly incompetent, it is safe to assume that a reasonably intelligent person would have known better.

Gross incompetence is a kissing cousin to lying.


39 posted on 12/08/2011 1:34:15 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Nachum

That is lawyer talk I guess.


40 posted on 12/08/2011 1:37:44 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: M. Thatcher

“Mens rea” is lawyerize for “I’m guilty”


41 posted on 12/08/2011 1:40:32 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: COUNTrecount

Obambi Administration’s theme song: “Cornered Muskrat Love”.


42 posted on 12/08/2011 1:42:05 PM PST by rfp1234 (RFP's Law: Whoever blames Bush first shall lose the argument.)
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To: xzins

We are familiar with “dumb insolence”; we are now confronted with a new mockery - “malicious ignorance” - which is not knowing purposefully, so as to avoid responsibility.


43 posted on 12/08/2011 1:45:30 PM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: headsonpikes

I like that: “dumb insolence” and “malicious ignorance”.

Good ideas. Thanks.


44 posted on 12/08/2011 1:49:36 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Nachum

Lying depends if he has to cover his butt and that would be YES! He deliberately lied. Let him share a cell with Blagojevich - their common denominator is Barry. Let them think of his lifestyle while they remain couped up eating slop and think on - is the commie ‘rat ba*^@!d worth it? .


45 posted on 12/08/2011 2:00:25 PM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job.)
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To: Nachum
If only Holder had been impeached for dropping the prosecution of the New Black Panthers racist voting booth abuses. Maybe Fast and Furious would not come to fruition. If so, a lot of lives would have been saved.

However, if Attorney General Holder is not considered to have lied, perhaps the alternative is to hold him as a frequent rapist of the truth.


46 posted on 12/08/2011 2:05:30 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: Nachum

Truth is realative. Shut up whitey!


47 posted on 12/08/2011 2:15:30 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: dennisw

Not defending Holder here, but he grew up in the Corona nabe in Queens. Went to Newtown HS. Was and is a diehard Mets fan None of which makes his upbringing that of a spoiled urbanite. He’s a socialist and probably a black nationalist but he did not come by those views by being spoiled. He’s a far more authentic person than his boss.


48 posted on 12/08/2011 2:25:03 PM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: Berlin_Freeper

...that operates on 10,000 volts.


49 posted on 12/08/2011 2:31:02 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Nachum

Well it’s hard so hard to figure this one out you see when you have a President that does the same thing weekly. I guess he figures it is not lying if the President does the same thing. Our children are having the same problem.


50 posted on 12/08/2011 4:10:59 PM PST by mandaladon (PalinGenesis)
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