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Joining a Dinner in a Muslim Brotherhood Home (A Useful Idiot Speaks)
New York Slimes ^ | 12/7/2011 | Nicholas Kristof

Posted on 12/08/2011 1:19:13 PM PST by mojito

If you want to understand the Islamic forces that are gaining strength in Egypt and scaring people here and abroad, let me tell you about my dinner in the home of Muslim Brotherhood activists.

First, meet my hostess: Sondos Asem, a 24-year-old woman who is pretty much the opposite of the stereotypical bearded Brotherhood activist. Sondos is a middle-class graduate of the American University in Cairo, where I studied in the early 1980s (“that’s before I was born,” she said wonderingly, making me feel particularly decrepit).

She speaks perfect English, is writing a master’s thesis on social media, and helps run the Brotherhood’s English-language Twitter feed, @Ikhwanweb.

The Muslim Brotherhood has emerged as the dominant political party in parliamentary voting because of people like Sondos and her family. My interviews with supporters suggest that the Brotherhood is far more complex than the caricature that scares many Americans.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: duranty; egypt; enemedia; islamoganda; kristof; leftganda; leftuniverse; muslimbrotherhood; nicholaskristof; nytimes
Nicholas Kristof, the Walter Duranty of the 21st century, is pleased to reassure the readership of the New York Times that there's nothing to worry about in Egypt because, in reality, the Facebook Revolutionaries and the Muslim Brotherhood are one and the same.

All that other talk about radical Islamists perpetrated by silly old fools like Bernard Lewis is just so much conservative hogwash intended to scare the likes of Islamophobes, Zionists, and Tea Partiers.

1 posted on 12/08/2011 1:19:22 PM PST by mojito
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To: mojito

Sounds like a lovely dinner in the dining room.

Did he go in the basement?


2 posted on 12/08/2011 1:22:08 PM PST by jessduntno ("I love the man. I think he's a neat man." - Sen. Tom Coburn (R) about B. Hussein Obama)
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To: mojito
Islam: The religion of fuzzy bunnies, unicorns, rainbows, and butterflies over sunlit meadows.


3 posted on 12/08/2011 1:27:06 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

“Sondos Asem, a 24-year-old woman who is pretty much the opposite of the stereotypical bearded Brotherhood activist.’

Can she drive?
Can she listen to rock and roll?
Can she wear pants?

If she can, give it a year.

Then talk to her.


4 posted on 12/08/2011 1:30:41 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (To fix government, we need a rocket scientist. Oh, wait we have one!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Sondos Asem, a 24-year-old woman who is pretty much the opposite of the stereotypical bearded Brotherhood activist.’

Can she drive?
Can she listen to rock and roll?
Can she wear pants?

If she can, give it a year.

Then talk to her.

I bet talks and talks and talks ,another one that loves to hear her own voice


5 posted on 12/08/2011 1:34:15 PM PST by molson209
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To: mojito

So Kristoff’s hostess told him that all those stereotypes by conservatives were wrong and he just believed her without question. Kristoff is a moron. I wonder how many bridges he owns?


6 posted on 12/08/2011 1:37:10 PM PST by GnL
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To: GnL; mojito
...Kristoff is a moron...

Well, he does work for the NY slimes, so what do you expect; its almost redundant.

For those of you who are young, the Walter Duranty referred to by Freeper mojito, was a NY Times reporter who was the Moscow bureau chief for said newspaper during the Lenin and early Stalin era. He wrote paeans to the murderous Russian Revolution and lionized both Lenin and Stalin. He denied the systemic mass starvation in the Ukraine as a political tool of the bolsheviks.

Gee whiz, the NY Slimes has been pro commie for as long as it has existed.

7 posted on 12/08/2011 1:54:55 PM PST by OldCorps
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To: mojito
Tell me Mr. Kristof, do you think your host views you as an infidel (kafir)? Or does she view you as a dhimmi? My guess is she probably views you as something worst.

5.56mm

8 posted on 12/08/2011 1:55:34 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: All

Satan: “I’m not bad, I’m good.”
Idiot: “Oh they said you were bad, sorry I trust you now.”


9 posted on 12/08/2011 2:09:41 PM PST by thesaleboat (Pray The Rosary Daily (Our Lady, July 13, 1917))
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To: mojito

“My dear brothers, never forget, when you hear the progress of enlightenment vaunted, that the devil’s best trick is to persuade you that he doesn’t exist!”

French poet Baudelaire


10 posted on 12/08/2011 2:24:11 PM PST by marty60
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To: mojito

11 posted on 12/08/2011 2:35:42 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Does she wear the full ninja suit when outside the home?

Would she be allowed to speak to an unrelated adult male when her husband is not around ?


12 posted on 12/08/2011 2:37:46 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: mojito

I wonder if he asked her if she was a member of the 97% FGM Club of Egypt?


13 posted on 12/08/2011 2:38:29 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: mojito

The motto of the Muslim Brotherhood is
“Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”


14 posted on 12/08/2011 2:39:01 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: mojito

15 posted on 12/08/2011 2:51:37 PM PST by SparkyBass
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To: mojito
Question:

Are Moose-limbs permitted to lie?

Answer:

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, UNLESS THE PURPOSE OF LYING IS TO "SMOOTH OVER DIFFERENCES."

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman.

These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells muslims NOT TO TAKE THOSE OUTSIDE THE FAITH AS FRIENDS, UNLESS IT IS TO "GUARD THEMSELVES."

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. IF ALLAH IS DECEITFUL TOWARD UNBELIEVERS, THEN THERE IS LITTLE BASIS FOR DENYING THAT MUSLIMS ARE ALLOWED TO DO THE SAME.

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:269) - "THE PROPHET SAID, 'WAR IS DECEIT.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage

Bukhari (49:857) "HE WHO MAKES PEACE BETWEEN THE PEOPLE BY INVENTING GOOD INFORMATION OR SAYING GOOD THINGS, IS NOT A LIAR." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

From Islamic Law:

Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...

"One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.

CONCLUSION:

Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:

Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.

Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind") while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."

16 posted on 12/08/2011 2:51:40 PM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: mojito
First, meet my hostess: Sondos Asem, a 24-year-old woman

Hey Nicholas, did your hostess tell you she is property?

According to her "faith" she is, by virtue of her sex, forever.

Period.

End of discussion.

Oh, Nicholas? You're a bastard.

17 posted on 12/08/2011 3:31:59 PM PST by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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18 posted on 12/08/2011 7:21:07 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims¬óDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: mojito
"There is no famine or actual starvation nor is there likely to be." --New York Times, Nov. 15, 1931, page 1

"Any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda." --New York Times, August 23, 1933

"Enemies and foreign critics can say what they please. Weaklings and despondents at home may groan under the burden, but the youth and strength of the Russian people is essentially at one with the Kremlin's program, believes it worthwhile and supports it, however hard be the sledding." --New York Times, December 9, 1932, page 6

"You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs." --New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 18

"There is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation but there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition." --New York Times, March 31, 1933, page 13

Excerpt

19 posted on 12/08/2011 8:26:08 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: Travis McGee

And we continue to allow them to immigrate to our country.

Of course we had one idiot who insisted on calling them “The Religion of Peace” and now we have a 5th columnist and muslim sympathizer for his replacement.


20 posted on 12/08/2011 8:30:54 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“....give it a year. Then talk to her.”

Yep, I’m afraid that’s right. However, in a year, one probably won’t be permitted to talk to her.

Barack Obama - the president who lost Egypt.


21 posted on 12/09/2011 1:38:45 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Travis McGee

War plan.


22 posted on 12/09/2011 1:49:08 AM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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