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When Rick Perry Praised Hillarycare (Oops!)
The Atlantic ^ | 9-1-2011 | Staff

Posted on 12/08/2011 2:14:17 PM PST by TitansAFC

The Texas governor hasn't always regarded federalized health care as unconstitutional and noxious to liberty

In Rick Perry's 2010 book Fed Up, he declares that federalized health care is unconstitutional, insists that handling the issue at the state or local level is essential to liberty, and argues that introducing government run health care foolishly risks destroying the best system in the world. "It's not hard to see who believes in the Constitution and who doesn't if we look closely. For now, if you are an establishment politician in Washington, you'd better be prepared for a complete review of your record," he concludes. "As I mentioned before, long-standing Utah senator Bob Bennett didn't even get renominated by Utah Republicans this year, in major part because he cosponsored a version of health care reform only slightly distinguishable from Obamacare."

So what does a complete review of Perry's record reveal? As it turns out, he sent a letter during his tenure as Texas Agricultural Commissioner that praised Hillary Clinton's 1993 health care reform efforts. "I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation's health care system are most commendable," he wrote. "I would like to request that the task force give particular consideration to the needs of the nation's farmers... Rural populations have a high proportion of uninsured people, rising health care costs, and often experience lack of services." He concluded by noting, "your efforts are worthy, and I hope you will remember this constituency as the task force progresses. Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of any assistance."

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 53secondsofdumb; amnesty; anitasambition; buildabear; gardasil; heartless; moron; newt; perry; rick; romney; tuition4illegals

1 posted on 12/08/2011 2:14:23 PM PST by TitansAFC
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To: TitansAFC

Except that he wrote that letter about 1/2 a year before Hillarycare even existed.


2 posted on 12/08/2011 2:16:48 PM PST by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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To: TitansAFC

Fail.


3 posted on 12/08/2011 2:19:55 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: TitansAFC

This is a freakin’ nightmare. Is there any TRUE conservatives out of this bunch?


4 posted on 12/08/2011 2:20:22 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Nancy Pelosi - The #1 reason why we need a Constitutional amendment for Congressional drug testing.)
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To: TitansAFC

So romney, newt and perry all have all praised commicare in the past?
Sad state of gop


5 posted on 12/08/2011 2:21:38 PM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (radical rightwinger))
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To: TitansAFC

Context, dude. This is WAY out of context. And even most of us who were skeptical of Perry in the early days knew that. However, gingrich STILL supports the individual mandate. Want to argue the merits of THAT?


6 posted on 12/08/2011 2:23:34 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: heiss
So romney, newt and perry all have all praised commicare in the past?

Perry never praised Hillarycare. Hillarycare was nonexistent when this letter was written. This was written about 2 months after Clinton was inaugurated, was a formal letter to Hillary when she was named to a taskforce, and a 1/2 a year before a bill was revealed to the public. The title of the article is a lie.

7 posted on 12/08/2011 2:26:20 PM PST by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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To: heiss

No. Perry did not...and the poster of this article knows that full well.


8 posted on 12/08/2011 2:27:13 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

However, Bill and Hill’s love of single payer, socialized medical systems was already well known by then. I don’t know how he thought anything good was ever going to come of her efforts.


9 posted on 12/08/2011 2:27:47 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: MestaMachine

I love that we hear “out of context!” and then immediately hear “Newt still supports the mandate” right after.

LOL Classic.

This is in response to Perry’s new ad today, that’s all. Perry has decided to jump the shark, which is too bad because I genuinely liked him.

I was just pointing out that Perry would have had Hillarycare be the law of the land when Newt was fighting to kill it. If Perry had had his way, we’d all be government insurees for two decades and counting.


10 posted on 12/08/2011 2:28:39 PM PST by TitansAFC (Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry are not your enemies, my fellow Freepers!)
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To: GOPyouth

In context, it sounds like he was commending the intent to try and craft policies that could lower costs. From a conservative POV, that could be he was wanting them to look at lowering barriers and removing regulations.

Unless they produce a letter of him suggesting how the government can get involved to improve healthcare, this is another unfounded accusation by opponents.


11 posted on 12/08/2011 2:32:40 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: TitansAFC
I was just pointing out that Perry would have had Hillarycare be the law of the land

Can you cite a single example of Perry supporting Hillarycare? No, you can't. B/c it never happened.

However, as of May of this year, Gingrich stated, "I’ve said consistently we ought to have some requirement to either have health insurance or you post a bond or in some way you indicate you are going to be held accountable."

12 posted on 12/08/2011 2:34:47 PM PST by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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To: TitansAFC

To follow up on the May 2011 quote, Gingrich was asked about this this week by Beck. Gingrich doubled down and said this was a variation of a federal mandate.


13 posted on 12/08/2011 2:36:53 PM PST by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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To: MestaMachine
And even most of us who were skeptical of Perry in the early days knew that.

My gosh, actual reasoned educated response?

You're obviously messed up on Gardasil and heartless you are.

Surely Perry is worse than Obama and is likely a Mexican gang member.

Or a Build-a-Bear, one or the other.

14 posted on 12/08/2011 2:39:58 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: TitansAFC

“I would like to request that the task force give particular consideration to the needs of the nation’s farmers... Rural populations have a high proportion of uninsured people, rising health care costs, and often experience lack of services.”

This is before the task force had even started. If you never heard before that it is beaucoup difficult for rural populations to access health care, you are blind, deaf, and dumb.
Calling attention to this problem is not something to be ashamed of or defensive of, and to make it seem so is disingenuous at best.


15 posted on 12/08/2011 2:40:14 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: TitansAFC

I’d rather Bachmann or Santorum win but I could vote for Newt. I will never vote for the illegal loving Ricardo or Myth though.


16 posted on 12/08/2011 2:44:33 PM PST by PAConservative1 (Heartless.)
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To: humblegunner

Being a rural ‘redneck’ is an eucation in itself. My own doctor is over 70 miles away, 140 miles round trip. Emergencies require a helicopter.
If there is a whiteout on the mountain, say your prayers.


17 posted on 12/08/2011 2:49:45 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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eDucation. what a thing to spel rong!


18 posted on 12/08/2011 2:52:54 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Not Only Did Rick Perry Support Hillarycare...(Wanted U.S./Mexico binational health Insurance)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2817949/posts


19 posted on 12/08/2011 2:53:17 PM PST by TitansAFC (Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry are not your enemies, my fellow Freepers!)
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To: MestaMachine
Being a rural ‘redneck’ is an education in itself

Ain't it?

I laugh every time I hear about the urban "under-served".

20 posted on 12/08/2011 2:56:10 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: GOPyouth; TitansAFC
Rick Perry camp *defends* 1993 Hillarycare praise
21 posted on 12/08/2011 2:58:55 PM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal.)
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To: TitansAFC
Here is the actual letter to Hillary. KBH revealed it. LOL!


22 posted on 12/08/2011 3:00:45 PM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal.)
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To: TitansAFC

Rick Perry thought that the idea of health insurance reform was a good idea especially for rural areas. It still is a good idea and still needs to be done. The letter was sent before Ms. Clinton did the work on health care. When he saw what she actually wanted to do, he wanted no part of it.

Don’t any of you know what kind of bias the Atlantic has?


23 posted on 12/08/2011 3:01:47 PM PST by Essie
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To: TitansAFC

Have you ever driven across Texas? You can travel hundreds of miles without seeing a solitary thing except maybe a few cattle and a pole somewhere. You ain’t seen rural unless you’ve seen Texas...or maybe Alaska.


24 posted on 12/08/2011 3:04:29 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: rintense

There’s no defense of Rick Perry in that article. It’s just another shameless hit piece. When the committee did came up with their recommendations, Rick Perry rejected them. That’s the truth. Why didn’t you say that, or don’t you care to tell the truth.


25 posted on 12/08/2011 3:09:20 PM PST by Essie
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To: TitansAFC

Again people don’t bother to find out the truth. I live in Texas, but not near the border. In this election cycle, I have found out that many people live near the border and cross it to go to work. The idea was to find health care that would cover these people. Is that so hard to understand?


26 posted on 12/08/2011 3:13:40 PM PST by Essie
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To: rintense

rintense, we have been on the same side of a lot of issues. Honestly. Read this letter. WHAT exactly do you find unworthy about it besides the fact that it was hillary? What if it had been Nancy Reagan?
There is nothing in this letter about universal health care or a government mandate for individuals which both romneey and gingrich support. newt can call his thing whatever he chooses. It is a rose by any other name only it stinks.


27 posted on 12/08/2011 3:20:09 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine
I don't care if it was Sarah Palin proposing it. It would still be wrong. And I'd call her on it too.

Please explain to me why anyone would praise Hillary's attempt at socialized medicine? I'm no Newt supporter, but at least he was fighting against it while Perry was praising her 'efforts'.

28 posted on 12/08/2011 3:23:57 PM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal.)
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To: Essie

Why don’t you ask Rick Perry why he praised Hillary’s efforts? Hillary wanting socialized medicine was the worst kept secret in DC.


29 posted on 12/08/2011 3:26:32 PM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal.)
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To: GOPyouth

You do realize, don’t you, that your facts are annoying the poster, who is not interested in the truth at all?


30 posted on 12/08/2011 3:41:16 PM PST by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: GOPyouth

Somehow, I don’t think the poster was interested in the truth of the matter. The quote seems to urge consideration of the lack of medical care in rural areas in considerations made and is not the blessing of the plan that resulted from the considerations. But this, like many of the postings about Governor Perry seems to be embellished a good bit beyond the truth that it claims as support. The result is clearly distortion.


31 posted on 12/08/2011 3:46:33 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: rintense

Why don’t you answer the date of the letter question?


32 posted on 12/08/2011 3:49:07 PM PST by lahargis (Out with Barry in with Perry. Perry is our energy candidate!)
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To: TitansAFC

Standard Boilerplate. Everybody knows Herman Cain opposed Hillarycare and is credited with helping to stop it.

And what did Herman Cain say on that fateful day to President Clinton? “First, I want to COMMEND YOU”. Yes. He commended Clinton for addressing national health care. Just like Perry.

BTW, Are you stuck in a time loop? You keep posting old articles that were already posted and discussed long ago. You should just go back and read them, you’d get answers and wouldn’t look so ignorant.


33 posted on 12/08/2011 4:13:21 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jonty30

You are absolutely right. And if you watch the famous YouTube clip of Herman Cain questioning Bill Clinton about Hillarycare, you’ll see that before he asks his question, he starts by COMMENDING Clinton for tackling the national problem of health care, just like Perry did.

The poster thinks that somehow it is unfair to point out that Gingrich actually DID support an insurance mandate, simply because apparently Gingrich has talked so much over the poster’s head on the subject that the poster now thinks Gingrich has refuted the charge.


34 posted on 12/08/2011 4:16:42 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: lahargis

I did. Hillarycare was the worst kept secret in DC. Even the public knew what her intentions were during Bill’s campaign. Are you telling me that Perry was naive to what most politicians (and political junkies) already knew? I actually might buy that.


35 posted on 12/08/2011 5:52:55 PM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal.)
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To: lahargis
Here is a timeline of Hillarycare. It's from PBS so take it for what it's worth:

Spring 1991 - Minority Whip Newt Gingrich, in a private discussion about long-term Republican political strategy, predicts that the "next great offensive of the Left," as he puts it, will be "socializing health care." Gingrich declares the need for hardline Republicans to begin positioning themselves now to keep Democrats from winning in the future.

November 1991 - Arguing that every American should have the right to a doctor, Harris Wofford defeats Dick Thornburgh to become the first Democrat to win a U.S. Senate seat in Pennsylvania in thirty years. His victory attracts national attention and convinces Democrats they have found a powerful issue to use against George Bush in the upcoming presidential election.

January 19, 1992 - The Clinton campaign issues a health care white paper marking the opening round in what becomes an eight-month internal struggle to get Bill Clinton to define his approach to health care reform.

June 19, 1992 - During interviews at a convention of radio talk show hosts in Washington, D.C., Bill Clinton begins using the jargon of a new health care approach called "managed competition." It is an approach favored by Ira Magaziner and several other top Clinton advisers.

July 15, 1992 - Clinton accepts the Democratic presidential nomination. He vows to "take on the health care profiteers and make health care affordable for every family."

August 9, 1992 - Clinton is warned by campaign aides that his "position on health care is too unstructured" and too unclear to be easily defended.

End of August 1992 - Partly as a result of political pressures from incumbent George Bush, and partly as a result of internal debates among rival advisers, a major effort is launched to reposition Clinton's health policies, form a merger of Democratic views from left and right, and shed the "pay-or-play" label that has come under increased Republican attack.

August 30, 1992 - Democratic Senator Jay Rockefeller gets wind of Clinton's waning support for "pay-or-play" and fires off a memo arguing against any change of direction. He also tells Clinton that his statement that "Americans deserve or have a right to health care" might present problems for the candidate in the future. "Although many Americans may initially react positively to this statement," he writes, “over time it can make them uneasy. Before long they will be asking: How would we pay for all that care for all those people? Won't it require a huge new government bureaucracy?"

September 24, 1992 - In a speech before some two thousand employees of the Merck Pharmaceutical Co., Clinton unveils a revised version of his health reform policies. Without ever using the term "managed competition," he contrasts his approach with that of President Bush. The speech receives favorable coverage.

November 1992 - Clinton wins the election. Polls indicate that voters rank health care far behind the economy and slightly behind the budget deficit in importance. The majority of the public has only the fuzziest notion of what Clinton has in mind for health care reform.

January 25, 1993 - Clinton announces the formation of The President's Task Force on National Health Reform. The job of the task force, he says, is to "prepare health care reform legislation to be submitted to Congress within one hundred days of our taking office." He also announces that his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, will head the task force and that Ira Magaziner will be named its day-to-day operating head. A blanket of secrecy is imposed on task force operations. Magaziner objects but is overruled by George Stephanopoulos and others on the White House communications team.

The appointment of the First Lady sends a clear signal to all in the administration and players in both parties on Capitol Hill that Clinton places great importance on Health Care. It also serves instantly to limit how far cabinet secretaries and White House aides can go in pressing their views. One person watching from close range will later tell Johnson and Broder: "They went about this exactly in the right way, with one exception. The person who's in charge shouldn't sleep with the President, because if you sleep with the President, nobody is going to tell you the truth." Key economic advisers who have grave reservations about the direction of Clinton's reform plans from the very start are forced to ask themselves, "Do I want to take on the President's wife?"

In order to meet their hundred-day deadline and win swift congressional passage the Clintons intend to fit the health care proposal into the presidential budget and pass it all in one gigantic package. An advantage to this strategy is that under Senate rules the reconciliation bill can be debated for only twenty-four hours before it comes to an up-or-down vote.

February 17, 1993 - Bill Clinton delivers his first address to a joint session of Congress. While his focus is on the economy, the budget and taxes, he uses the speech to make the policy link between health care reform and deficit reduction. The initial positive response breeds false optimism within the White House. Stephanopoulos and other advisers with Capitol Hill experience argue for a one-two punch: First, win a great budget victory in April or May; then follow up immediately with the introduction of the health care plan.

February 22, 1993 - A White House aide alerts Hillary Clinton to danger signals emanating from Capitol Hill over rumors that the White House is considering a two-bill strategy. The consensus among Democratic congressional leaders is that there's nowhere near sufficient support for going to the well twice for difficult votes on health care and budget cuts.

Early March 1993 - Sen. Robert C. Byrd, chairman of the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee, and a recognized guardian of Senate procedure, blocks the Clinton reconciliation bill strategy. He is convinced the strategy amounts to a "prostitution of the process" by pushing through "a very complex, very expensive, very little understood piece of legislation."

March 20, 1993 - Hugh Rodham, Hillary's father, suffers a stroke. The First Lady leaves immediately to be by his side at a hospital in Little Rock and spends most of her time there until he dies on April 7. Her absence presents a serious problem. Magaziner has come to depend on her to run interference for him with cabinet departments. At the same time President Clinton -- and most of his staff -- is preoccupied with the budget battle on Capitol Hill. Without Hillary's presence, few decisions can be made.

ADDED BY ME: April 6, 1993- Rick Perry writes a letter praising Hillary Clinton's efforts in Healthcare reform

April 13, 1993 - Leaks to the press become a problem. Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala tells USA Today's editorial board that a value-added tax is one of the ideas under consideration. Her slip sparks a wave of controversy.

April 30, 1993 - Hillary Clinton meets behind closed doors with Republican and Democratic senators. She implores them to tell her what she is doing wrong and tells them she is having trouble meeting with Republicans. It is common knowledge among many of those present that the staff of Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole has told Republicans they are not to meet with the First Lady.

May 3, 1993 - A chart that has been leaked to the New York Times detailing possible methods of implementing reform and highlighting their impact on national spending, appears in the paper. Not only has the chart been leaked, but its appearance has been altered to make it seem as if Clinton is calling for $150 billion in new taxes.

May 20, 1993 - The first of four scheduled internal health-policy debates takes place at the White House. Clinton asks everyone present to keep the meeting private but the very next weekend accounts of the session appear in the Washington Post and the New York Times. The next three debates are indefinitely postponed. This incident, and others, make the Clintons and Magaziner feel they are being subjected to intentional acts of disloyalty.

May 28, 1993 - Bill Gradison, the head of the Health Insurance Association of America (HIAA), writes a letter to the First Lady restating his support for universal coverage but complaining of three recent occasions in which Hillary has attacked the health insurance industry for "price-gouging, cost-shifting and unconscionable profiteering." Gradison is actually playing a double game. He wants to diminish public support for a Clinton plan that can adversely affect the industry but he also is eager to appear accommodating so that he will be able to make adjustments in the reform bill he believes will ultimately pass.

May 31, 1993 - The Clinton Health Care Task Force is officially disbanded.

Spring 1993 - The HIAA begins a three-and-a-half-million-dollar advertising campaign promoting its own approach to reform. HIAA pollsters also conduct foc groups to find certain phrases that resonate well with the public. Two of the mos likely are: "They choose, you lose" and "There's got to be a better way."

At the same time the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) starts mobilizing its forces to kill a key element of the Clinton plan -- the "employer mandate" that would require all businesses to provide health insurance for their employees. From its Washington headquarters the NFIB dispatches a constant stream of "Fax Alerts" and "Action Alerts" to tens of thousands of small-business owners who are also members. More than two million pieces of mail are sent. They also conduct seminars in states that will be critical when the time comes for Congress to vote. In Montana, they launch an unrelenting campaign against a Democratic Senator whose initial public comments have been favorable to the Clinton plan. They force the Senator to send a letter to Montana small-business owners pledging to vote against any bill that he feels hurts small business. When the employer mandate comes up the Senate Finance Committee, the Senator is one of five Democrats who join nine Republicans in killing it. The NFIB applies the same tactics in Louisiana, Washington, Georgia, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Florida, and elsewhere.

Early June 1993 - Worried that they have no effective political support team, the Clinton administration sets up a "War Room" -- a replica of the Little Rock nerve center of the Clinton presidential campaign -- to monitor media, orchestrate responses to attacks on the Clinton plan, and schedule administration and congressional visits to forums being held around the country.

June 15, 1993 - House Democrat Jim Cooper -- who introduced a bill in 1992 based on the principle of managed competition -- meets with Hillary Clinton to explore their differences over health care. He has serious problems with employer mandates and universal coverage that are part of Clinton's plan and expresses his concern that the administration is being pushed to the left by liberals in the House. Cooper says he will not be able to support the Clinton plan unless changes are made.

June 25, 1993 - Clinton's budget measure squeaks through the Senate with Vice President Gore casting the tie-breaking vote. Clinton is holding on to his agenda by his fingertips, and health care reform is shunted off until another day. Attempts by Magaziner to schedule meetings with key members of the administration's economic team are consistently rebuffed.

Early Summer 1993 - Bill Clinton tells the DNC to gear up a grassroots effort to support the reform plan. The DNC first tries to set up a tax-exempt "educational" foundation, separate from but allied to the DNC. When word of the plan leaks, critics say it will allow power brokers with their own agenda to curry favor with Clinton by secretly financing his pet project. The DNC backs off and offers to run the program itself -- and disclose the names of all donors -- but they lack a budget for any serious grassroots effort. Clinton's political consultants, including Mandy Grunwald, Paul Begala, and James Carville, argue that the grassroots effort should be junked in favor of a media campaign.

Mid-July 1993 - David Gergen urges that the health care plan be delayed until 1994, but Hillary Clinton and Magaziner are convinced this would amount to a death sentence for health care reform. Among White House political strategists, the belief is that the legislation has to be introduced in September to have any chance of winning passage before the 1994 midterm congressional elections.

August 6, 1993 - Clinton's budget is approved with Vice President Gore casting the tie-breaking fifty-first vote. Clinton's presidency is saved, but by the slimmest possible margin of victory. It is a clear and dramatic warning about the growing difficulty of passing anything in a bitterly divided Congress.

August 7, 1993 - Magaziner begins rounding up the Cabinet and economic team to discuss health care. Now that the budget battle is over he hopes high-level decisions can be reached before the Clintons begin their vacation. Acrimony reigns in meetings of senior advisers over the next few days, and discussions on how best to improve coverage while containing costs are tense.

August 11, 1993 - Unhappy that his advisers are in disagreement, Clinton decides not to make any decisions until after his vacation. Magaziner is devastated. When Congress returns after Labor Day he will still have no plan to give them.

August 16, 1993 - Despite the fact that major questions remain unsettled, Bill Clinton gives an outline of his health care reform plan to the National Governors' Association. Before hearing from Clinton, John Motley -- vice president and top Washington lobbyist of the National Federation of Independent Business -- addresses the group. Motley attacks the "untried, untested" approach Clinton is preparing and charges that thousands of small businesses will go bankrupt, threatening a national recession. Taken aback by the bold, bare-knuckles assault even before the administration plan has been formally introduced, Clinton -- listening nearby in a small "holding room" -- huddles with the First Lady and other advisers and hurriedly rewrites his speech to respond to Motley's attack.

Late August 1993 - In a memo about Bill Clinton's upcoming health care speech, Ira Magaziner advocates a moderate, centrist approach stressing political flexibility, openness to new ideas, and a true bipartisan spirit. Magaziner also suggests emphasizing that this is not merely a "Clinton plan," but the work of many Republicans and Democrats over the years. Ironically, while Clinton planners privately stress a conciliatory, middle-ground approach for reform, the public and many on Capitol Hill are beginning to form an impression -- painted in part by opponents and in part by the Clinton team's own actions -- that the administration's plan is a liberal, secretly concocted, Big-Government scheme that will dictate how people get their health insurance and medical treatment.

Early September 1993 - Magaziner and his staff complete a rough draft of the plan embodying Clinton's final decisions on alliances, proposed price ceilings on insurance premiums, and the extent of Medicare cuts. He and Hillary go to Capitol Hill to brief members of Congress and their staffs. Pete Stark, of the Ways and Means Health Subcommittee, throws a tantrum and demands a copy of the draft plan. Soon after Stark receives it, the supposedly secret plan is leaked to the press and to anti-Clinton lobbying groups.

The HIAA begins running its powerful "Harry and Louise" television ads featuring the focus group phrase "They choose, we lose." It quickly becomes an American advertising classic. By moving early, aggressively, and publicly, HIAA has become a major player in the debate.

September 2, 1993 - Clinton's political and policy advisers agree on an explicit congressional strategy. Rather than start from the center, writing a bill that will appeal to conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans (while telling the liberals this is the best deal they can get), Clinton decides to follow a strategy of starting from the left and moving as far to the center as is needed to reach a majority. The advisers do not know that Newt Gingrich is determined there be no Republican support for any Clinton-designed reform and that the whole effort be derailed.

September 11, 1993 - The New York Times and the Washington Post run stories describing and analyzing Clinton's secret draft plan.

Mid September 1993 - Relentless pressure continues as Clinton's staff struggles to prepare his upcoming speech to launch health care reform. Political strategy meetings on how best to employ appearances by the President and the First Lady after the speech also produce conflict. Decisions are made, revised, and remade again about what TV shows cabinet members and Democratic members of Congress will appear on. The result, according to one of those involved, is "piss poor planning and disastrous conflicts."

September 19, 1993 - Pat Moynihan, speaking on Meet the Press, dismisses the economic calculations in the Clinton plan -- which has not even been formally launched -- as "fantasy numbers." He also joins with Republican critics and strikes at the very heart of reform by saying there is "no health care crisis."

36 posted on 12/08/2011 6:04:40 PM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal.)
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To: TitansAFC

An FYI ping to #36


37 posted on 12/08/2011 6:07:15 PM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal.)
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To: rintense

Wow. I love history. Thank you for posting. This is a great letter. It is totally consistent with the character of a man who has 1) worked the land; 2)been educated regarding its value and preservation; 3) recognizes and respects others who work the land and produce; 4) wanted to be there when a meaningful healthcare plan was being formulated. “Hillarycare” was not “Hillarycare” at the time. It was a task force focus. At the time, hospitals were closing in all rural areas across the nation. Texas was particularly hit hard. Of course our officials would want to be in on a solution for people who needed healthcare. All this shows me is why two recent polls give me hope. Rick Perry polls very high among those voters who have served in the military. Rick Perry scores very high among those Christians who call themselves conservative.

I don’t know why anyone would even consider this well written letter to be a negative....unless, of course, they really are heartless.

Consider the demeanor of the posters. See if it doesn’t remind one of the hyenas in the Lion King. Why does ANYONE feel the need to attack Rick Perry when he’s so far down? Scared?


38 posted on 12/08/2011 6:33:40 PM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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Tell me, if Rick Perry is such an outstanding conservative, and polls so well in the groups you mentioned, why is he NOT beating Newt and Romney?

And scared of Perry? Nope. Heartless, yes. Because that's what Perry called me- and millions of other Americans.

39 posted on 12/08/2011 6:48:56 PM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal.)
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“Tell me, if Rick Perry is such an outstanding conservative, and polls so well in the groups you mentioned, why is he NOT beating Newt and Romney?
And scared of Perry? Nope. Heartless, yes. Because that’s what Perry called me- and millions of other Americans”

No one is perfect. Not even you. “ Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me..”. I’m so sorry youre so weak that you can’t be called heartless without whimpering....forever...day after day after day. You don’t heal. I’m afraid you really think Perry was talking to YOU.
The two categories in which Perry polls high do not encompass the entire population. Relatively speaking, only the few serve. Truthfully speaking, only the few are true Christians. Perry polls high in those groups. He has a very long road to travel back to top tier. I pray he makes it. In the meanwhile, get some therapy. Look at his real achievements compared to others. He’s not pro illegal alien. Don’t be such a groupie. Figure it out. Look at what in-state tuition really means and how it has it positives for both undocumented and citizens. If it were not for that law, our kids could not study out of state for undergraduate and return to our state to study graduate level paying in-state tuition. Wise up. Also look at the other states who allow it. And illegals attend our colleges in every state in the nation. Some pay nothing because they’re funded by their countrymen.


40 posted on 12/08/2011 7:12:04 PM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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Oh, I see. Only 'true Christians' support Perry. Wow, for someone who worries about all the 'attacks' on Perry, you seem to have mastered the art, haven't you? And don't worry your little, empty head about the name calling. Perry wasn't even on my list before his moronic name calling. In fact, it just made me more resolute that he's an incompetent fool.

But bless your little heart, altur..., oops, I mean FryingPan.

41 posted on 12/08/2011 7:23:10 PM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal.)
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Wasn’t my survey, babe. Wasn’t my poll. Those weren’t my words.
He’s not an incompetent fool. Texas runs just fine, thank you and millions are moving here....obviously to be called names they’ll never get over. Texas will run fine when he’s gone too. It’ll work great without your approval of our governor too. That’s how it works here. We get it... without a whole lot of explaining. I’m not surprised Perry wasn’t on your list. That makes more sense than you can imagine.
The difference in our perceptions and goals? Our goals were always to beat Obama. If Perry didn’t win the primary, we would gladly have voted for Cain. Cainiacs couldn’t stand team work. They’re still in denial over their flawed candidate and looking for that mythical phoenix. They’re still looking to blame someone for tattling about something that happened 15 years ago. Cain was never on my list but I would have voted for him against Obama. But, thanks, bless your heart too.


42 posted on 12/09/2011 8:41:38 AM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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