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Macy's Fires Christian Worker for Not Allowing Transgender in Women's Fitting Room
Christian Post Reporte ^ | Dec. 07 2011 | Alex Murashko

Posted on 12/08/2011 6:13:18 PM PST by daniel1212

A Macy’s department store employee in San Antonio, Texas, has been fired for not allowing a cross-dressing young man to return to the women’s dressing room, according to a law firm that specializes in religious freedom cases.

Natalie Johnson said she told the young man politely that he could not go back into the dressing room after seeing him exit the women’s fitting room, reported Liberty Counsel, a group of advocacy lawyers.

Johnson said the man was wearing make-up and girls’ clothing and told her that he is a female. The cross-dresser was accompanied by five other individuals, who argued with expletives that Macy’s was LGBT-friendly, according to Liberty Counsel’s statement.

The Macy’s employee reportedly said to the group that the company is “also non-discriminatory toward religion, and that it would go against her religious beliefs to lie that he was a woman or compromise with homosexuality.

After receiving a complaint from the group, the Macy’s manager informed Johnson of the company’s LGBT policy which allows “transgender” people to change in any dressing room they desire. Johnson argued that the same policy also protects against religious discrimination. She felt her beliefs were being violated, say Liberty Counsel officials.

Johnson was reported to have been fired for refusing the manager’s request to follow the company LGBT policy, saying she would not go against her religious beliefs.

“Macy’s policy which allows men to use the women’s dressing room is fraught with problems,” stated Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel. “This policy will cause significant problems and will alienate the majority of Macy’s customers.”

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KEYWORDS: firstammedment; gayrights; homonaziagenda; homopsychoagenda; homosexualagenda; macys; religiousfreedom; religiouspersecution
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1 posted on 12/08/2011 6:13:23 PM PST by daniel1212
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To: daniel1212; metmom; boatbums; caww; smvoice; presently no screen name; Quix; HossB86; RnMomof7; ...

A couple pertinent links: http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_agenda
http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Homosex_versus_the_Bible.html


2 posted on 12/08/2011 6:15:45 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212

The employee made the right call. Men and women should not be using each other’s dressing areas.

Shame on Macy’s.


3 posted on 12/08/2011 6:16:45 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: daniel1212

Wow. Time to boycott Macy’s... oh wait, I never went there in my life


4 posted on 12/08/2011 6:19:25 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: daniel1212

A Macy’s employee is fired for stopping a male pervert from using the ladies’ dressing room, where my wife and daughter might be changing?
So long Macy’s.


5 posted on 12/08/2011 6:19:45 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: F15Eagle

Won’t be shopping at Macy’s anytime soon.


6 posted on 12/08/2011 6:20:19 PM PST by acapesket
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To: daniel1212
“transgender” people

No such thing as "transgender." You either are or you're not. Every single one of the billions of cells in you body is either male or female.

This "transgender" crap is just that . . . crap. You would think that Macy's would want to protect their customers from these perverts at all costs. Spit in the EYE of LGBT (or whatever the hell they're called).

My God . . . what is happening to our country?

7 posted on 12/08/2011 6:21:18 PM PST by laweeks
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To: tumblindice

So basically any perv possible rapist could dress up as a women and be allowed into a womens dressing room?

That being said if it is their policy as an employee you have to follow it. The employee may not have been fired if she agreed to follow the companies policy. I don’t agree with the policy but as a worker you have no choice but to oblige.


8 posted on 12/08/2011 6:24:53 PM PST by chevydude26
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To: F15Eagle
Macy's worries about the trangender's rights but they don't give a flip about mine!

I don't want a man in my dressing area when I'm trying on clothes.

Not shopping at Macy's anymore.

9 posted on 12/08/2011 6:24:56 PM PST by CAluvdubya
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To: daniel1212

I’ve had it. This PC crap is going to cause the rape of some young female.

I’m heading to Macy’s and telling them I will no longer do business with them.


10 posted on 12/08/2011 6:25:57 PM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: F15Eagle

The cross dresser was accompanied by five other individuals? Why? So these individuals could be witnesses as they expressed their mock outrage at what happened, and decried their fate as 2nd class LGBT people? And to gather evidence for the planned lawsuit????


11 posted on 12/08/2011 6:28:43 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: daniel1212
Nordstrom's spokesperson, Tara Barrow, said her company does not have a policy such as Macy's, but asks employees to use their judgment in making sure all customers are comfortable. "We don't have an actual policy for transgender or cross-dressing customers. We look for alternative solutions for those people if they have specific needs to ensure their privacy and comfort, but also for other customers,"

Nordstrom's 1, Macy's 0.

12 posted on 12/08/2011 6:30:31 PM PST by TChad
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To: laweeks

We are in the Last Days. How long the world has is something we don’t exactly know.

There are folks engineering the destruction of anything even reasonably normal in this country.


13 posted on 12/08/2011 6:30:33 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: daniel1212

This news about Macys comes as a shock?????

June 16, 2010
Macy’s department store showcases drag queen in downtown store for “gay pride week” fashion show
http://www.massresistance.com/docs/gen/10c/pride_week/macys.html

June 6, 2006
In your face: Macy’s Department Store in downtown Boston has prominent display window for “Gay Pride Week.’

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/events06/macys/index.html


14 posted on 12/08/2011 6:31:24 PM PST by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: daniel1212
Never shopped at Macy’s and never will.

Wonder if Kris Kringle would put a curse on modern-day Macy’s?
15 posted on 12/08/2011 6:32:46 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: chevydude26

I hope the Liberty Counsel is prepared to help her pursue a wrongful termination claim, possibly as part of an unemployment compensation claim. The firing certainly appears to lack good cause, even in Obama America.
Magistrate: “So let me make sure I understand: we all agree that the employee, with a duty to supervise customers taking articles of clothing into dressing rooms, was terminated for objecting to a man using the women’s changing room.”


16 posted on 12/08/2011 6:33:31 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: daniel1212

Eventually, Macy’s LGBT policy will be used by sex offender voyeurs to surreptitiously photo or film underage female customers.

They’ll get sued by the victims.

Then they’ll change their policy and will be safe from LGBT discrimination suits because they’ll have a legitimate and rational business reason to point at for disallowing males in the female dressing room.

Thank a lawyer for making this a nation where even common sense must be litigated and given a court seal of approval.


17 posted on 12/08/2011 6:34:41 PM PST by Valpal1 (Worst tyranny is to force a man to pay for what he does not want because you think it good for him.)
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To: GeronL
Macy's only imagines it can trick people into thinking there's an expectation of privacy in its dressing rooms.

Obviously there's not.

18 posted on 12/08/2011 6:36:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: daniel1212

Could have been a male posing as a tranny. Did Macy’s have a sign that said tranny’s welcome in ladies dressing room?

If I had been there and ran into that person I would sue the store.

She made the right decision.

Macy’s is a dumbazz store and will lose my business unless they rehire her with a big raise.


19 posted on 12/08/2011 6:36:50 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (WE ARE AMERICA! Vote Economic Freedom. Vote third party¬ó we keep 0Mao. IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?)
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To: CAluvdubya

I’m curious, are separate male and female changing areas common now? I don’t buy new clothes from retail “brick and mortar” stores often, but when last I went the dressing rooms were not split up. At one store I frequent, the fitting rooms are almost like a small wicker hut (they’re more substantial, but not not really, lol) out in the middle of the sales floor. In one store, there is often a line to use those located near the men’s area, so I just walk over to the huts near the women’s area. No one has ever said anything, and the women often go to the “men’s area” too (actually, that’s why I quit waiting in line, goose and gandar, and all).

In the old days, I remember fitting rooms being back behind a wall, and strictly separated by gender. I would never feel comfortable trying to get into an obviously private area, but I also wouldn’t dress as a woman either. I was just curious if the fitting rooms are still segregated, because I don’t see it much in this area, these days.

Also, cross dressers were prevalent at a job I had years ago (customer service), so much so that they had a separate bathroom and dress policy for them. I never used the restroom at the same time one of the tranvestites did (I hardly used the restroom at work anyway), but I know a lot of other guys that had one of them walk into the restroom when they were there and it made them angry. I knew a few girls that had it happen to, also, and they seemed not to care as much, depending on the original gender (girls dressed as men bothered them less than men dressed as girls, whereas the males/men hated either one in thier restroom).


20 posted on 12/08/2011 6:37:01 PM PST by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: laweeks
No such thing as "transgender." You either are or you're not. Every single one of the billions of cells in you body is either male or female.

Not quite right. You are either male, female, or pervert.

21 posted on 12/08/2011 6:40:43 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: daniel1212

Personally, I can’t stand shopping at Macy’s. My experience of late is that they are dirty and extremely understaffed. The whole ambiance of the stores has gone downhill over the years.


22 posted on 12/08/2011 6:44:17 PM PST by khnyny (Our government has become Hal in "2001 A Space Odyssey")
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To: tumblindice

Agreed


23 posted on 12/08/2011 6:45:10 PM PST by chevydude26
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To: daniel1212
From Steve Jones’ “Darwin’s Ghost,” pages 81 and 82.

“Males have small sex cells, females large. The difference (the true definition of what the sexes actually are) results from an ancient conflict. Long ago (and in some organisms today), sex cells were all the same size and fused to make an embryo, well provided with food. Then self interest made an appearance and one partner moved to making smaller but more abundant cells. He (for such was, from that moment, his gender) might have hungry young, but there were more of them. His success was limited by the risk of those small cells fusing to make an embryo with too little food to grow at all. Selection favored union with the large cells of his ally, and so the sexes were born. Males have been frauds since they began.”

The Jones book is a modern update of Darwin's Origin . And, it's a great read

24 posted on 12/08/2011 6:49:51 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: chevydude26

Chevydude26, to say one is only following orders has not been a defense since WWII. That said, I will not tolerate the ladies in our family to be subject to peering eyes of men in the dressing rooms. Macy’s will not be visited on the trip to the mall.


25 posted on 12/08/2011 6:50:34 PM PST by healy61
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To: daniel1212
PLEASE READ!!!

May I recommend that you go to the Macy's web site and respectfully tell them that you will no longer shop there because of their policy. Obviously they care more about protecting the "feelings" of a tiny minority over the rest of their customers. As such, I will never make a purchase there again.

26 posted on 12/08/2011 7:03:27 PM PST by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: daniel1212

How are we doing?
We want to hear about your shopping experience in our stores

http://survey.medallia.com/?tu-macys-com

http://www1.macys.com/service/contactus/tellus.jsp


27 posted on 12/08/2011 7:03:36 PM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Now THAT is timing! God bless you.


28 posted on 12/08/2011 7:05:08 PM PST by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: JDW11235
In stores like Macy's and Nordstrom's there are dressing rooms in each different dept.: Men's, Women's, Children's, Young women, overly priced women's etc.

there are some stores, such as Gap, where it's not so separated. In a place like Macy's or Nordstrom's you can have alterations done in the dressing room common area.

If I'm not expecting a man in the dressing area, it would be quite a shock to see one walk in and change clothes.

29 posted on 12/08/2011 7:09:46 PM PST by CAluvdubya
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To: daniel1212

R.H.Macy must be rolling over in his grave. Macy’s is not the store he founded. Of course, the grand stores - Finlene, Fox, Maas Brothers, and others - are not the stores of today.


30 posted on 12/08/2011 7:14:48 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: chevydude26

I can see your point. She was probably an employee at will. Yes, she was insubordinate but I doubt that at employee orientation she was told that men would be allowed to use the ladies’ changing room—under certain circumstances.
Here in flyover country—save our simple souls—we expect that if the door says `Ladies’ on it, women will be using it and men will be barred. And vice versa.
I expect that’s what her lawyers will be looking at as soon as possible: personnel manuals, training procedures, etc. And I doubt that a Texas jury is going to have much patience with an east/left coast argument using words like “celebrating diversity,” “sexual choice,” ya da ya da ya da, ad nauseum, even in a federal court.


31 posted on 12/08/2011 7:24:18 PM PST by tumblindice (I really like being a cranky old guy)
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To: TChad

There’s something really wrong here besides Macy’s freakish PC policy that will get some woman raped or killed.

“Transgender” men cannot wear clothes from department stores. They usually go online or read gay newspapers that cater to that clientele. You can’t GET a size 18 high heel at Macy’s! But you can go to some slummy little shop in the Village (or Chelsea, I suppose) and buy this weird stuff.


32 posted on 12/08/2011 7:25:09 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Still heartless after all these years...)
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To: daniel1212

Absolutely Macy’s chose the right time of year to do this to their Christian employee (sarcasm). Wonder what proportion of transgender people shop at Macy’s as opposed to Christians?


33 posted on 12/08/2011 7:30:40 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: JDW11235

Macy’s - unlike, say, The Gap - still has dressing rooms that are fairly isolated and segregated by sex. In fact, they’re damn creepy. If some tranny walked in on me at Macy’s, I’d freak.


34 posted on 12/08/2011 7:30:50 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Still heartless after all these years...)
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To: acapesket

Me neither. They won’t give discount to cash paying customers... now another reason not to walk in their store.


35 posted on 12/08/2011 7:48:58 PM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: MamaDearest

It is in San Antonio so I can’t imagine many transgender people going there. However, in New York, San Fran and other places they may be more plentiful. I believe they will lose a small amount of business from this because most people in the United States will never hear about this story. I definitely wouldn’t have heard it had I not been a FREEPER. I hope the woman gets her job back. It seems like the entire event could have been handled a bit better. He had already been in the changing room....probably stepped out to show the other 5 what everything looked like...needed to change back into his clothes. I would have checked to see if others were in the changing room. If empty, told him to please quickly change. I think that would have been a better way to handle it. Had there been people changing either wait for them to leave or at the least she could have gone in for the clothes still waiting in the dressing room.


36 posted on 12/08/2011 7:52:04 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: acapesket

No Macy’s for me. I’ll go to Sears, Marshall’s, JC Penney, etc. instead for all my shopping.


37 posted on 12/08/2011 8:47:19 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: daniel1212

Right after we moved to Texas in 1981, my wife to be and I went to a North Dallas mall. I think the store was Dillards. The future Mrs OrioleFan goes into the dressing room. Shortly a skinny little oriental guy walks out of the dressing room with a pair of women’s jeans. I looked at the clerk and said, “Must not have all the parts.” The clerk kind of giggled. The guy got insulted, threw the jeans on the floor and left.


38 posted on 12/08/2011 9:25:40 PM PST by OrioleFan
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To: ExCTCitizen
Macy’s is not the store he founded

Abercrombie and Fitch used to sell fishing, hunting and camping gear, along with practical outdoors clothing.

Now it sells urban crap.

It's run by a bunch of faggots, and its advertising appears (to me, at least) to be aimed at pedophiles.

39 posted on 12/08/2011 9:32:06 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: laweeks
Every single one of the billions of cells in you body is either male or female.

Scientifically false. There are more permutations than XX and XY. There are also chimera.

You suggest a simplistic binary world when the natural world itself is far more complex. People are not widgets stamped out in a Chinese factory to specification.

40 posted on 12/08/2011 10:22:54 PM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama and Speaker Pelosi.)
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To: daniel1212

the Macy’s manager informed Johnson of the company’s LGBT policy which allows “transgender” people to change in any dressing room they desire

Got news for you monkey boy. You allow some perverted freak into a dressing room area where I am and you will get your ass sued off!


41 posted on 12/08/2011 11:03:01 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: chevydude26

Careful. Someone copied Mr. Robinson in on another thread because I said almost the same thing. It’s almost as if people believe that an employer such as myself doesn’t have the right to determine customer service policies in his own business.


42 posted on 12/09/2011 1:54:38 AM PST by texanred
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To: texanred

She violated company policy. End of story. You don’t have to like company policy, but if you’re an employee, you disregard it at your own risk. That’s my libertarian view, for what it’s worth.


43 posted on 12/09/2011 4:56:16 AM PST by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: daniel1212

San Antonio— I seem to recall the Spanish raised the Christian Cross in that region before it became part of the
American system. Yet recently a University in San Antonio
required a tower be razed to remove small image of the cross.
Funny how whenever a system begins to promote the reprobate—that religion is cast down? Just thinking San Antonio is home of the Alamo which began as a Catholic Mission - yet now the city — like ancient Jerusalem -in the days of the prophets— now San Antonio has gone whoring after other gods. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil.as it is written eh?


44 posted on 12/09/2011 5:39:31 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: CAluvdubya; miss marmelstein

Thank you both for your reply. I have not been into a Macy’s in probably a decade, I think there is one in a town nearby, though.

“If I’m not expecting a man in the dressing area, it would be quite a shock to see one walk in and change clothes.”

That is totally understandable, and I think the only reason Macy’s is pandering is to not incur the wrath of the ACLU et al. We truly live in a sad say in age (but I must say, not entirely unprecedented, historically).


45 posted on 12/09/2011 1:04:30 PM PST by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: StonyBurk

They would even like to change the name of some places, such as Providence RI, or Bethlehem PA. The separation they will experience, as well as who have not been born again by faith in the Lord Jesus out of poor and contrite heart, is that of the Lake of fire, sadly so.


46 posted on 12/09/2011 2:41:09 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: CalvaryJohn; chevydude26

It is true that you disregard company policy at your own risk, but this is not an issue as to whether an entity has a right to make policy, but that of an employee violating an immoral aspect of policy, which many noble souls have done as a matter of principled dissent.

Obedience to man is always conditional on obedience to God as revealed in the Scriptures, and which requires submission to the laws of man in general, but not unconditional obedience which cults enjoin, while on the other extreme you have anarchist and those whose disobedience is based on ignoble principles.


47 posted on 12/09/2011 3:31:36 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: SECURE AMERICA; F15Eagle; bimboeruption; MamaDearest; ExCTCitizen; 70times7; TribalPrincess2U; ...
Below is my prayerful attempt to appeal to common sense years ago after this state legalized same gender marriage.

<Freedom not Sodom!


There's freedom in America, the land of the red white and blue;

but there still must be laws, things you just can't do.


You can't marry your sister, your brother, or the family pet;

a sheep, or a goat - at least not yet!


That how is it with homosexuality, what the Bible calls sodomy;

men lying with men as with women, is perversity!


That they're not designed that way, tis easy to perceive,

but yielding to sinful desires, man is soon deceived.


A moral wrong is not a civil right; like the sin itself, that's confusion;

calling evil good and exchanging light for darkness, is sure delusion!


History tells us where this will lead, from societies now in dust,

When a nation casts off the laws of God, and follows it's own lusts.


Promoting a sin which sends one to Hell from an early grave,

dishonors God and robs man of the Life He gave.


There's but one answer: the Risen Jesus gave Himself for our sins;

Repent and believe, then truly follow Him!


48 posted on 12/09/2011 3:35:31 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: miss marmelstein
There’s something really wrong here besides Macy’s freakish PC policy that will get some woman raped or killed.

It could also get our daughters raped or killed. The thought that Macy's would allow a grown man to share the same fitting rooms with underage girls is enough to convince me never to shop there.

49 posted on 12/09/2011 4:17:39 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: daniel1212

the employee was probably one of them “a Christian”.


50 posted on 12/09/2011 9:05:57 PM PST by NJ_Dutchman
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