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Behavior by Department of Justice Officials May Lead to Impeachment
Townhall.com ^ | December 9, 2011 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 12/09/2011 6:35:39 AM PST by Kaslin

It was a very uncomfortable Thursday for Attorney General Eric Holder on Capitol Hill as he testified before the House Judiciary Committee about Operation Fast and Furious. If it wasn’t clear that Fast and Furious was implemented as a way to push more gun control measures without the consent of Congress, it’s crystal clear now. Continued stonewalling from the Justice Department had Rep. James Sensenbrenner talking about impeachment

Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee Democrat John Conyers called for the enforcement of new gun control measures pushed through the Justice Department in July without the approval of Congress, requiring gun shops in southern border states to report multiple sales of long gun rifles. Conyers made it a point to adorn Attorney General Eric Holder with praise.

“I have never encountered an attorney general more dedicated and more effective than the current occupant of that chair, Eric Holder,” Conyers said.

Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee continually asked Holder what Congress can do to stop the trafficking of firearms into Mexico, implying Congress should be implementing more gun control as a result of this program. During Operation Fast and Furious, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, under the jurisdiction of the Justice Department, knowingly allowed the trafficking of 2000 high powered weapons into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, yet Democrats are calling for more gun control laws that would punish law-abiding gun shop owners.

“There is a hole in our gun control laws that you could drive or fly a space shuttle through it,” Dem Rep. Hank Johnson said, adding that the National Rifle Association and Second Amendment supporters are “radicals.”

Holder called for support from Congress for long gun reporting measures, saying guns are easily accessible in Mexico because of the open flow of guns from America into Mexico. Holder failed to mention the U.S. government's increased role in weapons trafficking between the two countries that has resulted from Fast and Furious.

"We have sought additional legislative abilities to deal with the gun trafficking problem," Holder said.

In July, Townhall reported Fast and Furious was designed to promote gun control after obtaining an email asking for a push on new long gun reporting measures. Holder was asked about the email and whether Fast and Furious was being used to push an anti-Second Amendment political agenda. Holder responded by saying the email was “taken out of context,” but also claimed he had never even read the email.

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Congressman Darrell Issa (R.-Calif.), Chairman of the House Oversight Committee, was visibly frustrated the calls for gun control, saying this administration is more interested in building databases and more interested in talking about gun control than stopping gun and drug trafficking. Issa also made it clear that Operation Fast and Furious was not botched, as many media outlets continue to report, but that the program was carried out exactly as planned from the beginning.

"This was not an accident, this project was flawed and failed from the beginning,” Issa said. "Brian Terry is dead today in my opinion because of this failed program, but even today we won’t hear Justice taking responsibility."

Holder’s misdirection of investigators about Fast and Furious was also at the center of questioning and testimony.

"My committee was systematically lied to by your representatives," Issa said.

With the ongoing stonewalling from the Justice Department, Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R.-Wisc.) brought up the possibility of serious charges for Holder. "If we don't get to the bottom of this, and that requires your assistance on that, there is only one alternative that Congress has - and it's called impeachment," Sensenbrenner said. "I’ve done more impeachments than anybody in the country."


Holder was asked whether his department had lied to Senator Grassley's office after a document dump last Friday showed Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer submitted false information in a letter to his office denying knowledge of gunwalking prior to the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in February 2011. In November 2011, Breuer testified that he actually knew about gun walking tactics as early as April 2010.

Holder responded by saying lying is a “state of mind.”

"Lying to congress is a federal felony. I don’t want to say that you have committed a felony, Mr. Attorney General but obviously there have been statements so misleading that a letter had to be withdrawn and I think some heads should roll," Sensenbrenner said.

The letter submitted to Senator Charles Grassley was so false it had to be withdrawn, which Rep. Issa said is unheard of.

"We now know that some of the information provided by those supervisors was inaccurate," Holder said. "Nobody in the Justice Department lied."

Holder also gave himself numerous pats on the back for his response to Fast and Furious.

"I took action to ensure accountability," Holder said. "Unacceptable tactics were adopted as part of Operation Fast and Furious."

Nobody in the Justice Department has been fired for their involvement in Fast and Furious, which has left more than 300 innocent Mexican citizens dead and led to the murders of two U.S. federal agents. Fast and Furious guns have also been used to kill Mexican government officials. Agents within DOJ and ATF have been promoted after Fast and Furious, not held accountable, while the lives of whistleblowers are being ruined through DOJ retaliation. Holder was asked about how many murders have occurred in Mexico as a result of Fast and Furious and couldn’t give a direct response. He didn’t know the figures.

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The president has said he has full confidence in this Attorney General. I have no confidence in a president who has full confidence in an attorney general who has in fact not terminated or dealt with the individuals, including key lieutenants, who from the very beginning had some knowledge and long before Brian Terry was gun downed, knew enough to stop this program,” Issa said. “Mr. Attorney General, the blame must go to your desk and you must today take real responsibility. Why haven’t you terminated the many people involved? Why is it that we’re still hearing about inconsistencies that don’t even take the correct responsibility for Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s death?”

Holder once again tried to pin responsibility for Fast and Furious on ATF field agents, saying this “wasn’t a top to bottom,” operation.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz asked Holder if he had spoken to Department of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Mexican President Felipe Calderon, Mexican Attorney General or President Obama about Fast and Furious and Holder responded no.

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“The answers that you have given so far are basically saying well 'gee somebody else did it.' There really is no responsibility in the Justice Department,” Sensenbrenner told Holder. Holder claimed he has been in contact with the Terry family to bring him justice. He has not. It took Holder nearly a year to apologize to the Terry family for the murder of their son, but leaked the apology email to the press before it even reached the family, proving Holder was more concerned with his public image than really apologizing. In testimony today, Holder said he was outraged about Terry’s death, yet hasn’t shown outrage. Despite Eric Holder and President Obama wishing that this year long scandal would just go away, the investigation into Fast and Furious isn’t going away any time soon. The House Oversight Committee just launched a brand new website, FastandFuriousinvestigation.com, solely dedicated providing information about the investigation of Fast and Furious.

The questions we have about Brian Terry's death remain unanswered; people remain unaccountable for their lethal decisions.

“No house has been cleaned,” Issa said.


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Judge Napolitano was on the first hour on Fox and Friends, this morning. The crew asked him if Holder could be impeached and he said yes. He continued that however it will be hard, as we only have the House, there is no way that the dems in the Senate will impeach him.

This is why it is imortant that we not only take the senate back but get the Super majority

1 posted on 12/09/2011 6:35:48 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

Not uncomfortable enough. I would have rather seen him on fire. Ping.


2 posted on 12/09/2011 6:39:11 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Kaslin

I heard exactly one Fast & Furious story on ABC Radio News yesterday - and it featured a democrat quote that the hearings were ‘politically motivated’.


3 posted on 12/09/2011 6:44:22 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Kaslin
... there is no way that the dems in the Senate will impeach him.
Not even with overwhelming evidence? I'm not sure too many Dems like him now as it is.
4 posted on 12/09/2011 6:44:32 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Kaslin
Impeachment hearings are quite effective. Doesn't matter what the Senate does ~ with an election coming up in 2012 this can be organized to feed directly into the campaign efforts.

I still think it'd be a good idea to start with the henchmen in civil service jobs. The Pendleton Act and its various amendments over time do not protect them from impeachment ~ just from being fired by the Executive without cause.

Congress is NOT the Executive, and I think some low level impeachment hearings would LOOSEN TONGUES ~ as they destroy the careers and credit worthiness of the targeted employees.

5 posted on 12/09/2011 6:45:29 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin

The Democrats are as always shameful.


6 posted on 12/09/2011 6:45:48 AM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Kaslin

I hope the worthless son-of-a-bitch STAYS uncomfortable... ...all the way to prison and beyond.


7 posted on 12/09/2011 6:47:09 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Kaslin

Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

Just do it. The level of thugs and pieces of trash in our country is enough to choke a horse.


8 posted on 12/09/2011 6:48:36 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: All
YouTube Video links in the article

Holder Says Definition Of "Lying" To Congress Depends On "State Of Mind"

Attorney General Holder, Does The Buck Stop With You?

9 posted on 12/09/2011 6:49:40 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

In order to kill a snake, it’s best to remove it’s head.

Ubama must be removed from our White House and then we can get to the business of cleaning out the RATs that have infested our government.


10 posted on 12/09/2011 6:50:06 AM PST by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: Kaslin

“”Holder failed to mention the U.S. government’s increased role in weapons trafficking between the two countries that has resulted from Fast and Furious””

I expect that the dems think we aren’t going to pick up on that. Set a plan in action, watch it proceed and succeed, then call for more gun control! Only in a dem mind would this make any sense!

Yes - let’s go ahead and start with “low level” impeachment hearings. What else will get their attention? Doesn’t matter if the Senate would vote for it or not. Get it in front of the voters now!


11 posted on 12/09/2011 6:52:24 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: skeeter

To them it is of course


12 posted on 12/09/2011 6:55:06 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

If a citizen were to sell a gun to criminal with the knowledge that it would be used in a crime that person would be guilty of conspiracy and in this case MURDER. The ObaMao administration is complicit in every crime and murder these guns were involved in and every admin member who knew of this plan (including the Marxist in Chief) should be in PRISON.


13 posted on 12/09/2011 6:55:27 AM PST by Hacklehead (Democrats think "fairness" is taxing the rich until they have no more than anyone else.)
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To: oh8eleven

With dingy Harry Reid at the helm? No way, he won’t even let it go out committee


14 posted on 12/09/2011 6:58:58 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: reefdiver
The Democrats are as always shameful.

Actually, democrats are quite shameless. If the murders of hundreds of Mexicans and at least two US LEOs are not enough to get JUST ONE democrat to stand up and demand accountability, then the entire party is a bunch of worthless Godforsaken sociopathic lunatics.
15 posted on 12/09/2011 6:58:58 AM PST by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: Kaslin

Deluded & morally defective.


16 posted on 12/09/2011 6:59:51 AM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

ABC Radio News is worthless. Ann Compton and Vic Ratner.


17 posted on 12/09/2011 7:01:06 AM PST by JohnnyP
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To: Kaslin

Fifty per cent of Mexico’s population has already entered the US with no plans to go back home. I guess they’re trying to get away from all those illegal US guns. They say two hundred and fifty Mexicans have already been murdered by drug cartel members using those guns, not to mention the murder of Border Agent Terry.

Holder says he finally contacted the Terry family and tendered his condolences. Meanwhile Michelle is packing her mumuu for Hawaii, and Holder figures if he just sits tight, all this fast and furious stuff will go away. Here’s a nightmare scenario: what if one of those guns is identified as having been the one that fired at the WH recently. I can see the headlines now, we’re all to blame and there goes the second amendment. (Obama did say he was working under the radar to get rid of it. He’s also said individual liberty is an outmoded idea we can’t afford.)


18 posted on 12/09/2011 7:02:26 AM PST by hershey
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To: Howie66
Ubama must be removed from our White House and then we can get to the business of cleaning out the RATs that have infested our government.

It won't do any good if we don't get the Senate back and especially the Super majority. Increasing the majority in the House helps too

19 posted on 12/09/2011 7:05:14 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Obaba and the Dems will lie without shame to cover their actions. With these people only investigative methods used for criminal gangs (wire tapping, lie detectors, and “enhanced interrogative” methods, etc) will produce accurate results and convictions.

Otherwise it is just an exercise in futility....they are called to testify and lie and lie, while the staff shreds and shreds.

F&F was run from the top. No way Holder did it without Obaba’s approval.

There are 3rd World countries with more honest government and elections than the coming People’s Police State of the USA.


20 posted on 12/09/2011 7:10:55 AM PST by OldArmy52 (Obama, the most corrupt and incompetent President since Carter.)
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To: Kaslin

Impeachment without the possiblility of removal means less than nothing.


21 posted on 12/09/2011 7:19:32 AM PST by Grunthor
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To: JohnnyP

They’re worse than worthless.


22 posted on 12/09/2011 7:21:00 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Kaslin

Agreed.

I am also going to pray that the next AG is someone like Ted Poe (Tx).


23 posted on 12/09/2011 7:21:25 AM PST by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: Kaslin
"May Lead to Impeachment"

Yeah. And Roseanne Barr "may" be the next Miss Universe.

24 posted on 12/09/2011 7:28:49 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: muawiyah
some low level impeachment hearings would LOOSEN TONGUES ~ as they destroy the careers and credit worthiness of the targeted employees.
You're right, that's precisely the right approach. Impeachment of some underlings would not present the same political problems - for the Republicans, at least -that would be entailed in impeaching Holder, never mind Obama (who must be presumed to have been behind the effort to politically undermine the Second Amendment with disgraceful activities under his administration).
But it would make Obama sweat almost as if it were Holder himself. Perhaps more so if, as you suggest, it would loosen a few tongues . . .

25 posted on 12/09/2011 7:36:21 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Kaslin

And if we do so, there is a lot more that can bd uncovered and cleaned up. Gaining supemajority in both hoises is, I think, an achievable goal.


26 posted on 12/09/2011 7:41:01 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Grunthor

Exactly, and that is why we must not only get the Senate back, but must get the Super majority back, plus increasing our majority in the House helps too.


27 posted on 12/09/2011 8:10:56 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
28 posted on 12/09/2011 8:32:45 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Kaslin

Is wish there was a *draft Judge Nap* committee. I’d support it!


29 posted on 12/09/2011 8:38:37 AM PST by Daffynition ( *Socialism, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore it*)
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To: Kaslin

Impeachment, firings, whatever is NOT enough!!!

We must have punitive repeals of anti-gun laws!!! Push the issue with your elected officials and please contact Congressman Issa and demand repeals!


30 posted on 12/09/2011 8:54:27 AM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: MrEdd

We need to get a petition going to demand justice in this matter. We also need a petition demanding repeals of anti-gun laws because of the malicious abuse of power by the Government.

The more this is covered up and the more they lie, the more we must demand for punishment. Anyone know how to get an online petition going?


31 posted on 12/09/2011 9:03:18 AM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Kaslin
May lead to impeachment?

In 1775, he'd already be decorating either a jail cell or a gibbet.

32 posted on 12/09/2011 9:06:59 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Kaslin
“I have never encountered an attorney general more dedicated and more effective than the current occupant of that chair, Eric Holder,” Conyers said.

At what, spreading liberalism (evil)?
33 posted on 12/09/2011 9:27:27 AM PST by thesaleboat (Pray The Rosary Daily (Our Lady, July 13, 1917))
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To: thesaleboat

Conyers, Lee, and Waters demonstrated that the 95% are a sad pathetic joke.


34 posted on 12/09/2011 9:28:12 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: hershey

“...what if one of those guns is identified as having been the one that fired at the WH?”

If that weapon is a FnF gun we’ll never hear about it.


35 posted on 12/09/2011 9:28:39 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Howie66
In order to kill a snake, it’s best to remove it’s head.

...This is a hydra, not a snake. Cut the head off and two more heads grow back, one D, one R.

36 posted on 12/09/2011 9:29:20 AM PST by gargoyle (...Amendments 1 and 2, a well informed public and a well regulated militia...)
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To: Kaslin
then we can get to the business of cleaning out the RATs that have infested our government.

Nothing short of a civil war can achieve this.

37 posted on 12/09/2011 9:30:17 AM PST by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Noumenon

One of the biggest hurdles would be the huge number of civil service employees in positions of power. Even if we were successful in ridding our government of the elected socialists, we’d still have a couple of million civil “servants” left to write legislation, lobby their direct employers (the legislators) and conduct the day-to-day business we have become used to.

As I’ve said before, our next revolution won’t resemble the first one so much as it will the French version. I think most of us have friends or relatives who work for the “Man” in one way or another. Are we willing to hang them from a lamp post too?


38 posted on 12/09/2011 12:58:50 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: oldfart

We can’t let granny not have her free government wheel chair can we?


39 posted on 12/09/2011 1:08:35 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp)
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To: Kaslin

Over ten months of investigations and the DOJ and ATF nor the FBI have been able to name a single person who signed off on F&F. If they are being honest then they must literally be incapable of finding their butts with both hands.


40 posted on 12/09/2011 3:52:09 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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“...as they destroy the careers and credit worthiness of the targeted employees.”

Not really. Any impeached employee would become an immediate hero to the left and would have a nice career giving speeches to leftists.


41 posted on 12/09/2011 8:46:11 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker
Most likely not. You can imagine that but to get those speaking deals you have to have something to say that they want to hear, and there's competition with demonstrable Leftwingtard credentials.

The cold, hard facts are that most of your federal employees covered by Civil Service laws are very apolitical.

42 posted on 12/10/2011 7:18:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin

” Dem Rep. Hank Johnson said, adding that the National Rifle Association and Second Amendment supporters are “radicals.”
Defending a right makes you a radical? I guess Black Americans are radicals. Because they defended their rights.


43 posted on 12/12/2011 6:18:18 AM PST by DMG2FUN
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