Skip to comments.Behavior by Department of Justice Officials May Lead to Impeachment
Posted on 12/09/2011 6:35:39 AM PST by Kaslin
It was a very uncomfortable Thursday for Attorney General Eric Holder on Capitol Hill as he testified before the House Judiciary Committee about Operation Fast and Furious. If it wasnt clear that Fast and Furious was implemented as a way to push more gun control measures without the consent of Congress, its crystal clear now. Continued stonewalling from the Justice Department had Rep. James Sensenbrenner talking about impeachment
Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee Democrat John Conyers called for the enforcement of new gun control measures pushed through the Justice Department in July without the approval of Congress, requiring gun shops in southern border states to report multiple sales of long gun rifles. Conyers made it a point to adorn Attorney General Eric Holder with praise.
I have never encountered an attorney general more dedicated and more effective than the current occupant of that chair, Eric Holder, Conyers said.
Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee continually asked Holder what Congress can do to stop the trafficking of firearms into Mexico, implying Congress should be implementing more gun control as a result of this program. During Operation Fast and Furious, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, under the jurisdiction of the Justice Department, knowingly allowed the trafficking of 2000 high powered weapons into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, yet Democrats are calling for more gun control laws that would punish law-abiding gun shop owners.
There is a hole in our gun control laws that you could drive or fly a space shuttle through it, Dem Rep. Hank Johnson said, adding that the National Rifle Association and Second Amendment supporters are radicals.
Holder called for support from Congress for long gun reporting measures, saying guns are easily accessible in Mexico because of the open flow of guns from America into Mexico. Holder failed to mention the U.S. government's increased role in weapons trafficking between the two countries that has resulted from Fast and Furious.
"We have sought additional legislative abilities to deal with the gun trafficking problem," Holder said.
In July, Townhall reported Fast and Furious was designed to promote gun control after obtaining an email asking for a push on new long gun reporting measures. Holder was asked about the email and whether Fast and Furious was being used to push an anti-Second Amendment political agenda. Holder responded by saying the email was taken out of context, but also claimed he had never even read the email.
Congressman Darrell Issa (R.-Calif.), Chairman of the House Oversight Committee, was visibly frustrated the calls for gun control, saying this administration is more interested in building databases and more interested in talking about gun control than stopping gun and drug trafficking. Issa also made it clear that Operation Fast and Furious was not botched, as many media outlets continue to report, but that the program was carried out exactly as planned from the beginning.
"This was not an accident, this project was flawed and failed from the beginning, Issa said. "Brian Terry is dead today in my opinion because of this failed program, but even today we wont hear Justice taking responsibility."
Holders misdirection of investigators about Fast and Furious was also at the center of questioning and testimony.
"My committee was systematically lied to by your representatives," Issa said.
With the ongoing stonewalling from the Justice Department, Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R.-Wisc.) brought up the possibility of serious charges for Holder. "If we don't get to the bottom of this, and that requires your assistance on that, there is only one alternative that Congress has - and it's called impeachment," Sensenbrenner said. "Ive done more impeachments than anybody in the country."
Holder was asked whether his department had lied to Senator Grassley's office after a document dump last Friday showed Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer submitted false information in a letter to his office denying knowledge of gunwalking prior to the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in February 2011. In November 2011, Breuer testified that he actually knew about gun walking tactics as early as April 2010.
Holder responded by saying lying is a state of mind.
"Lying to congress is a federal felony. I dont want to say that you have committed a felony, Mr. Attorney General but obviously there have been statements so misleading that a letter had to be withdrawn and I think some heads should roll," Sensenbrenner said.
The letter submitted to Senator Charles Grassley was so false it had to be withdrawn, which Rep. Issa said is unheard of.
"We now know that some of the information provided by those supervisors was inaccurate," Holder said. "Nobody in the Justice Department lied."
Holder also gave himself numerous pats on the back for his response to Fast and Furious.
"I took action to ensure accountability," Holder said. "Unacceptable tactics were adopted as part of Operation Fast and Furious."
Nobody in the Justice Department has been fired for their involvement in Fast and Furious, which has left more than 300 innocent Mexican citizens dead and led to the murders of two U.S. federal agents. Fast and Furious guns have also been used to kill Mexican government officials. Agents within DOJ and ATF have been promoted after Fast and Furious, not held accountable, while the lives of whistleblowers are being ruined through DOJ retaliation. Holder was asked about how many murders have occurred in Mexico as a result of Fast and Furious and couldnt give a direct response. He didnt know the figures.
The president has said he has full confidence in this Attorney General. I have no confidence in a president who has full confidence in an attorney general who has in fact not terminated or dealt with the individuals, including key lieutenants, who from the very beginning had some knowledge and long before Brian Terry was gun downed, knew enough to stop this program, Issa said. Mr. Attorney General, the blame must go to your desk and you must today take real responsibility. Why havent you terminated the many people involved? Why is it that were still hearing about inconsistencies that dont even take the correct responsibility for Border Patrol Agent Brian Terrys death?
Holder once again tried to pin responsibility for Fast and Furious on ATF field agents, saying this wasnt a top to bottom, operation.
Rep. Jason Chaffetz asked Holder if he had spoken to Department of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Mexican President Felipe Calderon, Mexican Attorney General or President Obama about Fast and Furious and Holder responded no.
The answers that you have given so far are basically saying well 'gee somebody else did it.' There really is no responsibility in the Justice Department, Sensenbrenner told Holder. Holder claimed he has been in contact with the Terry family to bring him justice. He has not. It took Holder nearly a year to apologize to the Terry family for the murder of their son, but leaked the apology email to the press before it even reached the family, proving Holder was more concerned with his public image than really apologizing. In testimony today, Holder said he was outraged about Terrys death, yet hasnt shown outrage. Despite Eric Holder and President Obama wishing that this year long scandal would just go away, the investigation into Fast and Furious isnt going away any time soon. The House Oversight Committee just launched a brand new website, FastandFuriousinvestigation.com, solely dedicated providing information about the investigation of Fast and Furious.
The questions we have about Brian Terry's death remain unanswered; people remain unaccountable for their lethal decisions.
No house has been cleaned, Issa said.
This is why it is imortant that we not only take the senate back but get the Super majority
Not uncomfortable enough. I would have rather seen him on fire. Ping.
I heard exactly one Fast & Furious story on ABC Radio News yesterday - and it featured a democrat quote that the hearings were ‘politically motivated’.
I still think it'd be a good idea to start with the henchmen in civil service jobs. The Pendleton Act and its various amendments over time do not protect them from impeachment ~ just from being fired by the Executive without cause.
Congress is NOT the Executive, and I think some low level impeachment hearings would LOOSEN TONGUES ~ as they destroy the careers and credit worthiness of the targeted employees.
The Democrats are as always shameful.
I hope the worthless son-of-a-bitch STAYS uncomfortable... ...all the way to prison and beyond.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
Just do it. The level of thugs and pieces of trash in our country is enough to choke a horse.
In order to kill a snake, it’s best to remove it’s head.
Ubama must be removed from our White House and then we can get to the business of cleaning out the RATs that have infested our government.
“”Holder failed to mention the U.S. government’s increased role in weapons trafficking between the two countries that has resulted from Fast and Furious””
I expect that the dems think we aren’t going to pick up on that. Set a plan in action, watch it proceed and succeed, then call for more gun control! Only in a dem mind would this make any sense!
Yes - let’s go ahead and start with “low level” impeachment hearings. What else will get their attention? Doesn’t matter if the Senate would vote for it or not. Get it in front of the voters now!
To them it is of course
If a citizen were to sell a gun to criminal with the knowledge that it would be used in a crime that person would be guilty of conspiracy and in this case MURDER. The ObaMao administration is complicit in every crime and murder these guns were involved in and every admin member who knew of this plan (including the Marxist in Chief) should be in PRISON.
With dingy Harry Reid at the helm? No way, he won’t even let it go out committee
Deluded & morally defective.
ABC Radio News is worthless. Ann Compton and Vic Ratner.
Fifty per cent of Mexico’s population has already entered the US with no plans to go back home. I guess they’re trying to get away from all those illegal US guns. They say two hundred and fifty Mexicans have already been murdered by drug cartel members using those guns, not to mention the murder of Border Agent Terry.
Holder says he finally contacted the Terry family and tendered his condolences. Meanwhile Michelle is packing her mumuu for Hawaii, and Holder figures if he just sits tight, all this fast and furious stuff will go away. Here’s a nightmare scenario: what if one of those guns is identified as having been the one that fired at the WH recently. I can see the headlines now, we’re all to blame and there goes the second amendment. (Obama did say he was working under the radar to get rid of it. He’s also said individual liberty is an outmoded idea we can’t afford.)
It won't do any good if we don't get the Senate back and especially the Super majority. Increasing the majority in the House helps too
Obaba and the Dems will lie without shame to cover their actions. With these people only investigative methods used for criminal gangs (wire tapping, lie detectors, and “enhanced interrogative” methods, etc) will produce accurate results and convictions.
Otherwise it is just an exercise in futility....they are called to testify and lie and lie, while the staff shreds and shreds.
F&F was run from the top. No way Holder did it without Obaba’s approval.
There are 3rd World countries with more honest government and elections than the coming People’s Police State of the USA.
Impeachment without the possiblility of removal means less than nothing.
They’re worse than worthless.
I am also going to pray that the next AG is someone like Ted Poe (Tx).
Yeah. And Roseanne Barr "may" be the next Miss Universe.
You're right, that's precisely the right approach. Impeachment of some underlings would not present the same political problems - for the Republicans, at least -that would be entailed in impeaching Holder, never mind Obama (who must be presumed to have been behind the effort to politically undermine the Second Amendment with disgraceful activities under his administration).But it would make Obama sweat almost as if it were Holder himself. Perhaps more so if, as you suggest, it would loosen a few tongues . . .
And if we do so, there is a lot more that can bd uncovered and cleaned up. Gaining supemajority in both hoises is, I think, an achievable goal.
Exactly, and that is why we must not only get the Senate back, but must get the Super majority back, plus increasing our majority in the House helps too.
Is wish there was a *draft Judge Nap* committee. I’d support it!
Impeachment, firings, whatever is NOT enough!!!
We must have punitive repeals of anti-gun laws!!! Push the issue with your elected officials and please contact Congressman Issa and demand repeals!
We need to get a petition going to demand justice in this matter. We also need a petition demanding repeals of anti-gun laws because of the malicious abuse of power by the Government.
The more this is covered up and the more they lie, the more we must demand for punishment. Anyone know how to get an online petition going?
In 1775, he'd already be decorating either a jail cell or a gibbet.
Conyers, Lee, and Waters demonstrated that the 95% are a sad pathetic joke.
“...what if one of those guns is identified as having been the one that fired at the WH?”
If that weapon is a FnF gun we’ll never hear about it.
...This is a hydra, not a snake. Cut the head off and two more heads grow back, one D, one R.
Nothing short of a civil war can achieve this.
One of the biggest hurdles would be the huge number of civil service employees in positions of power. Even if we were successful in ridding our government of the elected socialists, we’d still have a couple of million civil “servants” left to write legislation, lobby their direct employers (the legislators) and conduct the day-to-day business we have become used to.
As I’ve said before, our next revolution won’t resemble the first one so much as it will the French version. I think most of us have friends or relatives who work for the “Man” in one way or another. Are we willing to hang them from a lamp post too?
We can’t let granny not have her free government wheel chair can we?
Over ten months of investigations and the DOJ and ATF nor the FBI have been able to name a single person who signed off on F&F. If they are being honest then they must literally be incapable of finding their butts with both hands.
“...as they destroy the careers and credit worthiness of the targeted employees.”
Not really. Any impeached employee would become an immediate hero to the left and would have a nice career giving speeches to leftists.
The cold, hard facts are that most of your federal employees covered by Civil Service laws are very apolitical.
Dem Rep. Hank Johnson said, adding that the National Rifle Association and Second Amendment supporters are radicals.
Defending a right makes you a radical? I guess Black Americans are radicals. Because they defended their rights.