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Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign
NY Times ^ | December 8, 2011 | CHARLIE SAVAGE

Posted on 12/09/2011 11:43:10 AM PST by neverdem

House Republicans pummeled Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Thursday over the disputed gun-trafficking investigation called Operation Fast and Furious, accusing the Justice Department of hiding the truth and lying to Congress in a slugfest of an oversight hearing.

Mr. Holder denied the allegations and declared that he would not resign.

Mr. Holder had testified about Fast and Furious on three prior occasions, and the hearing before the House Judiciary Committee produced few revelations. But it was the most politically charged session yet, as one Republican after another tore into the attorney general.

Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. of Wisconsin, for example, called for “heads to roll” and threatened to impeach unspecified Obama administration officials. Representative Darrell Issa of California pronounced Mr. Holder in “contempt of Congress” for refusing to turn over certain internal departmental e-mails. Representative Ted Poe of Texas suggested that Justice Department officials should be prosecuted for manslaughter for recklessly allowing guns to fall into the hands of criminals.

In his opening statement, Mr. Holder suggested that critics were playing “politically motivated ‘gotcha’ games” and trying to “score political points.”...

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But Mr. Holder snapped near the very end, after Mr. Issa, who has been a leader of the Fast and Furious investigation, compared him to John Mitchell, the Nixon administration attorney general who went to prison for his role in the Watergate scandal.

“The reference to John Mitchell — think about that,” he said. “At some point, as they said in the McCarthy hearings, have you no shame?”

The comment was a paraphrase of a famous 1954 rebuke of Senator Joseph McCarthy, the Wisconsin Republican who rose to fame and power by accusing military and government officials of Communist sympathies, destroying careers and reputations. Mr. Issa shot back the same question: “Have you no shame?”...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; issa; obama

1 posted on 12/09/2011 11:43:15 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Words have meaning and under stress when there is little time to slow down and think carefully about what is said, facts leak out. One such moment occurred near the end of Holders testimony in response to a question concerning a letter and who knew what when, Holder said that knowledge about gun walking did not become known until "Fast and Furious" had been exposed!

He used the word exposed as if accidentally revealing the hidden truth that this was an Obama operation from the start that was exposed and not some rogue BATF operation. The right questions are finally being asked. Why has nobody been fired? Why has the persons responsible who allowed guns to walk and gave the okay or signed off not been identified after a year? Why were the responsible mid level BATF Arizona staff moved to Washington D.C. and promoted instead of fired? Why has Holder delegated management decisions and operational decisions over to the Inspector General instead of directing his own staff to clean house and get to the bottom of the actions that killed people, broke U.S. laws, broke international laws??????

This SOB is covering up all over the place and somebody needs to be accountable and soon!

2 posted on 12/09/2011 11:46:17 AM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: neverdem; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

Can’t resign until they have a suitable replacement...
or they can plant him....
because he knows...
and we know he knows.


3 posted on 12/09/2011 11:47:06 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: neverdem

Impeach and prosecute the racist Socialist bastard!


4 posted on 12/09/2011 11:51:16 AM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: neverdem
Mr. Holder suggested that critics were playing “politically motivated ‘gotcha’ games” and trying to “score political points.”...

Arrogance second only to Obama.

5 posted on 12/09/2011 11:51:41 AM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Old Sarge

Would be nice, but I doubt impeachment will happen, not with the Dem majority in the Senate.


6 posted on 12/09/2011 11:56:36 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: neverdem

I don’t want Holder to resign. I want him to be arrested and led out in handcuffs, charged with accessory to murder, and rot in a federal prison like Blago.


7 posted on 12/09/2011 11:57:44 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker ping.


8 posted on 12/09/2011 12:00:38 PM PST by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: neverdem

Playing the Joe Mccarthy card on Issa was the height of arrogance and hypocrisy. The man should be prosecuted for complicity in the death of a federal officer and lying under oath. About 50 years without bail seem right.


9 posted on 12/09/2011 12:03:07 PM PST by Hacklehead (Democrats think "fairness" is taxing the rich until they have no more than anyone else.)
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To: fatnotlazy; Old Sarge
Would be nice, but I doubt impeachment will happen, not with the Dem majority in the Senate.

Removal happens in the Senate. An impeachment would put up to 17 rats in the Senate - those who are not in safe seats- in a real bind next November if they don't vote to remove.

10 posted on 12/09/2011 12:09:19 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

“At some point, as they said in the McCarthy hearings, have you no shame?”

Invoking McCarthyism? With this statement, Eric Holder tacitly admits he is an anti-American communist.


11 posted on 12/09/2011 12:10:38 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: neverdem

I hope Holder stays right where he is - illustrating just how dictatorial and criminal this Administration has become.

Sadly, there will be other deaths and examples of his treachery and the media will give him a pass.


12 posted on 12/09/2011 12:11:40 PM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich - flying solo - without congressional baggage!!!)
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To: neverdem

Arming Mexican drug gangs so they can kill our border agents, demanding the worst mass murderer on US soil in US history Khalid Sheik Mohammed be tried as a US citizen with full constitutional rights so he has a better chance at freedom, suing states for trying to enforce their immigration laws....No Mr. Holder, you shouldn’t resign. You should tried for treason and summarily executed.


13 posted on 12/09/2011 12:14:21 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Nancy Pelosi - The #1 reason why we need a Constitutional amendment for Congressional drug testing.)
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To: neverdem
Arrest
Try
Convict
Execute

For accessory to murder of a federal officer after the fact. Include all of BATFE in that as well.

14 posted on 12/09/2011 12:15:08 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (The patient is too far gone to save.)
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To: marktwain

Post #3. Can’t even catch muh breath today! Remember when NOBODY covered this?


15 posted on 12/09/2011 12:23:29 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: ozzymandus
I don’t want Holder to resign. I want him to be arrested and led out in handcuffs, charged with accessory to murder, and rot in a federal prison like Blago.

DITTO!

16 posted on 12/09/2011 12:24:28 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: MestaMachine

Keeping him there keeps all the info in his lap....someone new might just take a real look. I can imagine how much info has already been shredded.


17 posted on 12/09/2011 12:28:26 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: MestaMachine
Good job. Sorry I missed it.

It is a good thing that it is getting more attention.

It is a serious test of the new media. If we can force the Obama administration to be accountable for this mess, we will have shown that the restoration of the Constitution is likely.

18 posted on 12/09/2011 12:28:59 PM PST by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: neverdem
Who is he protecting?? Obama

This guy is Marcy Park material.

19 posted on 12/09/2011 12:29:21 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: neverdem

He will in 2013.


20 posted on 12/09/2011 12:39:32 PM PST by YourAdHere (If Michael Jackson had gone to jail he'd probably still be alive. Just saying.)
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To: neverdem
An impeachment would put up to 17 rats in the Senate - those who are not in safe seats- in a real bind next November if they don't vote to remove.

Only if the MSM portrayed the events fairly. If it was played as a GOP vendetta, the Dems wouldn't feel pressured. Indeed, they'd play the brave, upstanding legislators who stood for truth against the baying hounds.

21 posted on 12/09/2011 12:49:36 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: marktwain
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22 posted on 12/09/2011 12:51:55 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Resign? We don't want to see Holder resign...


23 posted on 12/09/2011 12:59:24 PM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem
“At some point, as they said in the McCarthy hearings, have you no shame?”

How many people did McCarthy's actions get killed Mr. Holder? How many Federal agents died because of Tailgunner Joe's actions?

24 posted on 12/09/2011 1:13:01 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Joe Brower
We don't want to see Holder resign..

Amen Joe...but Im startin to think that Issa might be up against the clock to get anything done...

25 posted on 12/09/2011 1:20:16 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Old Sarge
And gather up the rest of this ILK and make them go by by for a very long time , if not forever .
26 posted on 12/09/2011 1:27:39 PM PST by Billk
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To: neverdem
Representative Darrell Issa of California pronounced Mr. Holder in “contempt of Congress” for refusing to turn over certain internal departmental e-mails.

Ummm...Okay, Mr Issa, what now?

27 posted on 12/09/2011 1:42:39 PM PST by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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To: neverdem
of course he won't... there's much more stuff he has to screw up before the boy is out if office!!!
28 posted on 12/09/2011 2:59:36 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: hattend
Ummm...Okay, Mr Issa, what now?

Wrap up Fast and Furious. Start investigations of gun walking in Texas, Indiana and Operation Castaway in Florida. Start an investigation of the State Department giving an export letter to a Zetas' front group and sending military hardware and high explosive ordnance to Columbus, New Mexico. Holder's claim that gun walking was limited to Phoenix has no credibility.

I'd like to see Hillary impeached too.

29 posted on 12/09/2011 3:25:45 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

I meant Issa has declared Holder in contempt of Congress...what is he going to do to Holder because of it?


30 posted on 12/09/2011 3:34:40 PM PST by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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To: MestaMachine
Can’t resign until they have a suitable replacement...
or they can plant him....
because he knows...
and we know he knows.

And he knows he knows.

31 posted on 12/09/2011 4:22:59 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: neverdem

Mega-bump to that post.


32 posted on 12/09/2011 4:24:32 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: neverdem

Why should he??? He has done nothing wrong in the eyes of his boss...

And all of what they have done is according to the “plan”...


33 posted on 12/09/2011 4:38:54 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: hattend
I meant Issa has declared Holder in contempt of Congress...what is he going to do to Holder because of it?

IMHO, Holder gets impeached. We'll see.

34 posted on 12/09/2011 4:40:08 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

35 posted on 12/09/2011 5:15:30 PM PST by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: Mat_Helm
You make a fantastic point and I can't believe no one yet has replied to it, so I will. Expose is indeed an extremely revealing word.
36 posted on 12/09/2011 6:07:50 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: neverdem

Holder and Obama will wish they could compare favorably to Mitchell and Nixon once this is all over....


37 posted on 12/09/2011 6:39:16 PM PST by Enchante
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To: Sacajaweau

Erasing hard drives is practically impossible from what I’ve heard (I know nothing myself).


38 posted on 12/09/2011 8:20:37 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: little jeremiah

“Losing” computers is another type of eraser.


39 posted on 12/09/2011 9:50:50 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: fatnotlazy

The House can easily impeach him. The Senate would probably fail to vote for conviction.

OTOH, Holder isn’t Clinton. This isn’t some lie over sex.

In this case, the stain came from Brian Terry’s blood.


40 posted on 12/09/2011 9:58:28 PM PST by MediaMole
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