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Obama Gets Real (Peter Schiff on Obama's history stories)
Safe Haven ^ | December 9, 2011 | Peter Schiff

Posted on 12/09/2011 7:24:58 PM PST by sickoflibs

For most of his time as a national political figure, Barack Obama has been careful to cloak his core socialist leanings behind a veil of pro-capitalist rhetoric. This makes strategic sense, as Americans still largely identify as pro-capitalist. However, based on his recent speech in Osawatomie, Kansas, the President appears to have reassessed the political landscape in advance of the 2012 elections. Based on the growth of the Occupy Wall Street movement, and the recent defeat of Republicans in special elections, he has perhaps sensed a surge of left-leaning sentiment; and, as a result, he finally dropped the pretense.

According to our President's new view of history, capitalism is a theory that has "never worked." He argues that its appeal can't be justified by results, but its popularity is based on Americans' preference for an economic ideology that "fits well on a bumper sticker." He feels that capitalism speaks to the flaws in the American DNA, those deeply rooted creation myths that elevate the achievements of individuals and cast unwarranted skepticism on the benefits of government. He argues that this pre-disposition has been exploited by the rich to popularize policies that benefit themselves at the expense of the poor and middle class.

But Obama's knowledge of history is limited to what is written on his teleprompter. And his selection of the same location that Teddy Roosevelt used to chart an abrupt departure into populist politics is deeply symbolic in the opposite way to that which he intended. It is not by some genetic fluke that Americans distrust government. It is an integral and essential part of our heritage. The United States was founded by people who distrusted government intensely and was subsequently settled, over successive generations, by people fleeing the ravages of government oppression. These Americans relied on capitalism to quickly build the greatest economic power the world had ever seen - from nothing.

But according to Obama's revisionist version of American history, we tried capitalism only briefly during our history. First, during the Robber Barron period of the late 19th Century, the result of which was child labor and unprecedented lower-class poverty. These ravages were supposedly only corrected by the progressive policies of Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. We tried capitalism again in the 1920s, according to Obama, and the result was the Great Depression. This time, it allegedly took FDR's New Deal to finally slay that capitalist monster. Then, the account only gets more farcical. Apparently, we tried capitalism again under George W. Bush, and the result was the housing bubble, financial crisis, and ensuing Great Recession. Obama now argues that government is needed once again to save the day.

This view is complete fiction and proves that Obama is not qualified to teach elementary school civics, let alone serve as President of the United States. I wonder what other economic system he believes we followed prior to the 1890s and 1920s (and during the 1950s and 1960s) that that he now seeks to restore? Capitalism did not start with J.P. Morgan in 1890s or John D. Rockefeller in the 1920s as the President suggests. In fact, it was about that time that capitalism came under attack by the progressives. We were born and prospered under capitalism. The Great Depression did not result from unbridled capitalism, but from the monetary policy of the newly created Federal Reserve and the interventionist economic policies of both Hoover and Roosevelt - policies that were decidedly un-capitalist.

The prosperity enjoyed during mid-20th century actually resulted from the incredible progress produced by years of capitalism. Contrary to Obama's belief, the New Deal and Great Society did not create the middle class; it was, in fact, a direct result of the capitalist industrial revolution. The socialist programs of which Obama is so fond are the reasons why the middle class has been shrinking. America's economic descent began in the 1960s, when we abandoned capitalism in favor of a mixed economy. By mixing capitalism with socialism, we undermined economic growth, and reversed much of the progress years of laissez-faire had bestowed on average Americans. The back of the middle class is being broken by the weight of government and the enormous burden taxes and regulation place on the economy.

America's first experiment with socialism, the Plymouth Bay Colony, ended in failure, and our most successful colonies - New York, Virginia, Massachusetts - were begun primarily as commercial enterprises. When the founding fathers gathered to write the Constitution, they represented capitalist states and granted the federal government severely limited powers.

Apparently, Obama thinks our founders' mistrust of government was delusional, and that we were fortunate that far wiser groups of leaders eventually corrected those mistakes. The danger, as Obama sees it, is that some Republicans actually want to reverse course and adopt the failed ideas espoused by great American fools like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Benjamin Franklin.

The President unknowingly illustrated his own contradictory thinking with the importance he now places on extending the temporary payroll tax cuts. If all that stands between middle-class families and abject poverty is a small tax cut, imagine how much damage the far more massive existing tax burden already inflicts on those very households! If Obama really wants to relieve middle-class taxpayers of this burden, he needs to reduce the cost of government by cutting spending. After all, there is no way to pay for all the government programs Obama wants by simply by taxing the rich.

History has proven time-and-again that capitalism works and socialism does not. Taking money from the rich and redistributing it to the poor does not grow the economy. On the contrary, it reduces the incentives of both parties. It lowers savings, destroys capital, limits economic growth, and lowers living standards. Maybe Obama should take his eyes off the teleprompter long enough to read some American history. In fact, he could start by reading the Constitution that he swore an oath to uphold.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; history; obama; schiff; schifflist
If you realize both parties in Washington think that our money is theirs and you trust them to do the wrong thing, this list is for you.

If you think there is a Santa Claus that has some magic easy cure for the economy; someone who is going to get elected in Washington and fix everything just by cutting your taxes, investing (more government spending) a few trillion more we don't have and will never have, and who will just command some countries to lower their prices and others to raise their prices all to suit your best interests, then this list is not for you.

You can read past posts by clicking on : schifflist , I try to tag all relevant threads with the keyword : schifflist.

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The Austrian Economics School’s Commandments plus :From : link

1) You cannot spend your way out of a recession
2) You cannot regulate the economy into oblivion and expect it to function
3) You cannot tax people and businesses to the point of near slavery and expect them to keep producing
4) You cannot create an abundance of money out of thin air without making all that paper worthless
5) The government cannot make up for rising unemployment by just hiring all the out of work people to be bureaucrats or send them unemployment checks forever
6) You cannot live beyond your means indefinitely
7) The economy must actually produce something others are willing to buy
8) Every government bureaucrat should keep the following motto in mind when attempting to influence the economy: “First, do no harm!”
9) Central bank-supported fractional reserve banking is an economically distorting, ethically questionable activity. In particular, no government should ever do anything to save any bank from the full consequences of a bank run, no matter what the short-term consequences.
10) Gold is God’s money.

Add mine:

1) Businesses don't hire workers just because of demand for products or services, they hire because it makes them money. Sorry to have to state the obvious.
2) Government spending without taxing is still redistribution
3) Taking one man's money and giving it to another is not a job.
4) Paul Krugman and Bernake have been wrong about everything, as well as the other best and brightest Keynesian's who have been fixing our economy for over a decade.
5) Republicans in the minority (esp out of the White House) act like Republicans, in the majority they act like Democrats .

Equity bubble rules:

1)If something goes up too fast, it is going down faster,
2) By the time it looks like everybody is getting rich, it’s too late, stay out!
3) To get rich you have to get in early start of recovery and get out at the first really 'bad' news, and ignore the experts that claim that they will stop the next crash(our buddy Bernake.).
4) Don't invest money you will probably need, or worse money you don't really have.

1 posted on 12/09/2011 7:25:09 PM PST by sickoflibs
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To: sickoflibs

The only surge this effeminate homo will feel is the tidal wave of a GOP landslide up his ass!


2 posted on 12/09/2011 7:28:27 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: sickoflibs

What special election? The 2010 elections were special.


3 posted on 12/09/2011 7:32:13 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: sickoflibs

What a shame Schiff didn’t get to serve Connecticut as a U.S. Senator.

We’re all the worse off for it.


4 posted on 12/09/2011 7:34:50 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; if they don't say "Merry Christmas", don't buy.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Obama is going back to the start of the progressive movement. TeddY Rosevelt. Look it up.


5 posted on 12/09/2011 7:39:39 PM PST by Lumper20
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To: MichaelCorleone

I posted hid masterful YouTube clip of this. Schiff is the guy we need to run for potus.


6 posted on 12/09/2011 7:40:11 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Schiff is a Jedi master of economics.


7 posted on 12/09/2011 7:44:46 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: sickoflibs

1) Businesses don’t hire workers just because of demand for products or services, they hire because it makes them money. Sorry to have to state the obvious.

I tell people who work for me, “wanna double your wage? Double the money you bring to the company”.

Most employees are at best “place holders”. People willing to do just enough for their paycheck.


8 posted on 12/09/2011 7:48:06 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: GlockThe Vote

Schiff is a Democrat as far as I know.


9 posted on 12/09/2011 7:52:22 PM PST by DB
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To: liberty or death

I tell people that if you want to move up, do more than you are being paid for.


10 posted on 12/09/2011 7:53:54 PM PST by DB
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To: DB

WTF???? Have you listened to schiff or read anything about him? Schiff is the modern day Friedman!


11 posted on 12/09/2011 8:01:03 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: DB
"Schiff is a Democrat as far as I know."

It only takes two clicks to find the truth.

Peter Schiff ran as a Republican in 2010, although he's more widely known as a Libertarian, when he advised Ron Paul on economics in 2008.

12 posted on 12/09/2011 8:06:55 PM PST by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: sickoflibs; Publius

This seems like part of the problem also (thanks to Freeper Publius):

Since 1933 we’ve lived under something called the Modern State. This entity takes in vast amounts of taxes and redistributes the money to certain constituencies via the federal faucet. The institutional Democratic and Republican parties fight over the direction of the outflow of the federal faucet. This outflow goes to individuals, corporations, the Foreign Policy Community and the Military Industrial Complex, among others. The purpose of the two parties is to collect money from their constituencies to direct that outflow to those constituencies. It’s how business is done in America.

The Modern State is how we project power as the world’s policeman. The Modern State is how we govern and take care of each other. The Modern State is how the Union is held together: a combination of carrot (pork) and stick (a large standing army).

The Tea Party’s goal is to return to a model of federalism last seen before the Civil War, and that means the starvation and demolition of the Modern State. This is why John McCain and David Brooks view the Tea Party as quite literally insane. From their perspective, there is only one way to govern in today’s world, and that is the Modern State. Without the glue of a national debt, a fiat currency, pork and military intimidation, how could the Union be held together, considering that its citizens no longer share a common vision?

This is what terrifies the Establishment. They do not believe that a return to the principles of the Founding Fathers is possible or even relevant in today’s world. They see federalism as the bygone relic of the Republic that died at Appomattox. They view the Tea Party as not merely a threat, not merely subversive, but insane.

This is what we’re up against.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2755395/posts?page=64#64


13 posted on 12/09/2011 8:20:11 PM PST by No One Special
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To: liberty or death
"state the obvious"

Whenever someone plans to start a new business in my area, the local press and pols publicly state that they hope the new business owner will hire lots of people. But, as you've stated, no business will add on more costs, like extra workers, than they absolutely have to. Instead of demanding that the new business owner hire lots of people, they should be asking them what their business will bring to the area. I would think if a person owned a business, they would never hire one person more than they absolutely had to.

Logically, if I owned my own business and could make a nice profit without any extra help, why would I hire anyone else? Yes, it seems like common sense, but apparently libs think businesses exist to hire people instead of to make money.

14 posted on 12/09/2011 8:25:19 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Lumper20
Obama is going back to the start of the progressive movement. TeddY Rosevelt.

Start? More like keep it going for another 100 years. It never stopped.

15 posted on 12/09/2011 8:32:16 PM PST by CommieCutter
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To: No One Special
Thanks for digging that one up. That was the final statement in my federalism lecture given to the Golden Isles Tea Party here in Georgia, my new home. That lecture led to my recording it at a local radio station, and I got the final edited CD yesterday. It sounds really good.

I hope to be marketing that lecture and others via the Internet in the next few months.

16 posted on 12/09/2011 8:34:43 PM PST by Publius
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To: PALIN SMITH

That’s only recent though isn’t it.

As I understand it he’s rather liberal on social issues.


17 posted on 12/09/2011 8:45:38 PM PST by DB
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To: No One Special; All
"The institutional Democratic and Republican parties fight over the direction of the outflow of the federal faucet."


18 posted on 12/09/2011 8:47:59 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Publius

I saved it because I thought it really described the problem well. I’d never relly looked it at it that way and it just clicked. You must first understand what you’re fighting.

Oh , and you’re welcome.


19 posted on 12/09/2011 9:42:53 PM PST by No One Special
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To: musicman

LOL! Ain’t it the truth.


20 posted on 12/09/2011 9:45:24 PM PST by No One Special
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To: sickoflibs
hes preachin it...but what we really need is to simply call the muzzcomm what he is, and ridicule it for it...

bambam is a blithering idiot, but he hasnt done anything 'wrong' if the plan is to destroy the country...

even a moron like the totus would get something right every now and then...

21 posted on 12/09/2011 10:48:32 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: sickoflibs

“History has proven time-and-again that capitalism works and socialism does not.”

Capitalism is the best economic system so far in the history of man. It is also true that Obama is ignorant of both history and economics...or he (and others) would understand that our problem is not primarily an economic one. It is a spiritual problem above all. For capitalism to work well, the people must be moral and upright before God.

If our nation does not seek, ABOVE, ALL leaders who seek the help of God, if we don’t reverse our course from being the culture of death...back to being the culture of life and we begin to seek God once more for help in becoming a moral and good culture with people who no longer ignore God....then things will get FAR worse than they are now.

History testifies to this.

What happens in this country will not merely involve our leaders. It will involve all of us. We ALL have choices to make.

“It being the indispensable duty of all nations, not only to offer up their supplications to Almighty God, the giver of all good, for his gracious assistance in a time of public distress, but also in a solemn and public manner to give him praise for his goodness in general, and especially for great and signal interpositions of his Providence in their behalf; therefore, the United States in Congress assembled, taking into their consideration the many instances of divine goodness to these states, in the course of the important conflict in which they have been so long engaged; the present happy and promising state of public affairs; and the events of the war in the course of the year now drawing to a close, particularly the harmony of the public councils, which is so necessary to the success of the public cause,…do hereby recommend it to the inhabitants of these states in general, to observe, and request the several states to interpose their authority in appointing and commanding the observation of Thursday, in the 28 day of November next, as a day of solemn thanksgiving to God for all his mercies: and they do further recommend to all ranks, to testify their gratitude to God for his goodness, by a cheerful obedience to his laws, and by promoting, each in his station, and by his influence, the practice of true and undefiled religion, which is the great foundation of public prosperity and national happiness.
Done in Congress at Philadelphia, the eleventh day of October, in the year of our LORD one thousand seven hundred and eighty-two, and of our Sovereignty and Independence, the Seventh.”

Our prosperity comes from God. What we choose to do can destroy or enhance our prosperity. As our founders said in the above quote...the PRACTICE of our religion is the FOUNDATION of our prosperity. They were right!


22 posted on 12/10/2011 4:57:27 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: sickoflibs
Based on the growth of the Occupy Wall Street movement, and the recent defeat of Republicans in special elections,

What is he talking about?

OWS is getting evicted (by hard-core libs no less) and Republicans have been winning the "special elections" and they did not have that bad of general election in 2011.

23 posted on 12/10/2011 5:29:11 AM PST by Tribune7 (Perry or Santorum)
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To: SumProVita
Capitalism is the best economic system so far in the history of man.

And actually, capitalism really isn't even a system...it's just the freedom of the individual to sell his services or what he produces to another individual who has the freedom to acquire them.

Furthermore, IIRC the term "capitalism" was first used by Engels as a way of insulting the idea of a free market economy (i.e. free markets were "controlled" by those rich fat cats who have "capital").

24 posted on 12/10/2011 5:52:51 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

In a sense, you are correct. However, even dictionaries define it as a *system.*

Definition of CAPITALISM
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market


25 posted on 12/10/2011 6:04:33 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: RoosterRedux

Also, here is the definition from a philosophical point of view:

Definition of Capitalism

“Capitalism” is conventionally defined along economic terms such as the following:

An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
Source: Dictionary.com

This is an example of a definition by non-essentials. An essential definition of capitalism is a political definition:

Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of individual rights.
Source: Capitalism.org

In order to have an economic system in which “production and distribution are privately or corporately owned”, you must have individual rights and specifically property rights. The only way to have an economic system fitting the first definition is to have a political system fitting the second definition. The first is an implication of the second. Because the second, political, definition is fundamental and the cause of the first, it is the more useful definition and is preferable.

Because people often use the term “Capitalism” loosely, “Laissez Faire Capitalism” is sometimes used to describe a true Capitalist system. But this phrase is redundant.

It is important to define “Capitalism” correctly because a proper definition is a prerequisite to a proper defense. Capitalism is the only moral political system because it is the only system dedicated to the protection of rights, which is a requirement for human survival and flourishing. This is the only proper role of a government. Capitalism should be defended vigorously on a moral basis, not an economic or utilitarian basis.


26 posted on 12/10/2011 6:08:31 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita
I shouldn't have said that it isn't a system because, as you say, around this freedom to produce and serve, millions of intricate systems automatically develop to support and enhance free trade.

Socialism, in my mind, is nothing more than a contrivance in which those who can't/don't produce try to control those who do. Socialist say their system is for the good of the people, but they know (or just don't care to know) that such thinking is pure BS.

27 posted on 12/10/2011 6:12:17 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Yep! You are correct. I also believe that the differences between socialism and capitalism rest PRECISELY on the understanding of freedom....as a right that comes from God. Private property is an essential key that is based upon that understanding.

“...socialism, by no means an invention of nineteenth century Marxism but much older, must be conceptualized as an institutionalized interference with or aggression against private property and private property claims.

Capitalism, on the other hand, is a social system based on the explicit recognition of private property and of nonaggressive, contractual exchanges between private property owners.” -— Hanns Herman Hoppe, A THEORY OF SOCIALISM & CAPITALISM

http://mises.org/books/Socialismcapitalism.pdf

As a Christian, I also recognize my duty to seek the will of my God as to how I use what I have been blessed with. Our Founding Fathers were very clear in their understanding of the fact that the prosperity of this nation depended upon the PRACTICE of religion.

;-)))


28 posted on 12/10/2011 6:30:19 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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ping


29 posted on 12/10/2011 7:24:39 AM PST by ponygirl
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To: SumProVita

Excellent series of posts.


30 posted on 12/10/2011 7:38:39 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: DB
"As I understand it he’s rather liberal on social issues."

Like I said, he's a Libertarian.

No stronger a fiscal conservative will you find, however.

And these days, it's the economy that matters.

31 posted on 12/10/2011 8:01:07 AM PST by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: LMAO; DeaconBenjamin; April Lexington; murphE; RipSawyer; Tunehead54; preacher; 1234; coloradan; ...

Sorry, I accidently pinged you to a Bachmann thread last night. This is the one I intended to ping you to regarding Obama via Schiff.


32 posted on 12/10/2011 8:16:34 AM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"Plan B is to quit, but not call it quitting. Instead call it fighting")
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To: Tribune7
RE:"What is he talking about?"

That Obama may be talking like he is because he thinks there is another back-lash to capitalism going on this year. But OWS is not certain to help Obama and may turn on him too.

I wouldnt say all is good out there for us regarding this. The Ohio and Wisconsin governors are under seige.

33 posted on 12/10/2011 8:27:11 AM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"Plan B is to quit, but not call it quitting. Instead call it fighting")
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To: SumProVita; sickoflibs; Publius; All
Media publicity surrounding the Kansas speech this week focused almost solely on the Teddy Roosevelt connection, not on more contemporary connections to the name and place where he chose to make this outrageous stand against America's philosophical foundations in individual liberty, freedom of individual enterprise as the source of wealth creation, opportunity, prosperity, and plenty.

There were threads on FR yesterday which focused on more recent events as likely sources of the significance of the choice of venue for such an attack on freedom of individual enterprise (often described as capitalism) and an American president's preference for, and embracing of, the coercive ideas which underlie oppressive government planning and control in economic matters.

The place chosen for this outspoken preference for the latter model, yesterday's threads on FR revealed, may be more aptly linked to the 70's seedbed which produced the speech. here and here.

Following the links on the latter site and reading the articles in that issue of the newsletter, if factual, are cause for concern among freedom lovers.

We should remember that we are discussing the economic dimension of liberty when we talk about these things, and that liberty, once lost to government officials who view themselves as more knowing and more caring than the people they are to serve, may never be regained.

34 posted on 12/10/2011 9:19:16 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: sickoflibs
The 4 Immutable Laws

Those who spend their own money on themselves are concerned with price and quality.

Those who spend their own money on others are concerned with price but not quality.

Those who spend others money on themselves are concerned with quality but not price.

Those who spend others money on others are concerned with neither quality nor price.


35 posted on 12/10/2011 9:22:54 AM PST by I see my hands (The old sod ne'er shall be forgot.)
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To: I see my hands
RE :"Those who spend others money on others are concerned with neither quality nor price."

...instead Votes and Power

36 posted on 12/10/2011 9:51:23 AM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"Plan B is to quit, but not call it quitting. Instead call it fighting")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks sickoflibs.


37 posted on 12/10/2011 10:45:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: sickoflibs

0bama is much too busy playing golf and taking vacations to actually study and understand the consequences of his commie policies.


38 posted on 12/10/2011 3:28:15 PM PST by GregoryFul (Obama - Jim Jones redux)
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To: I see my hands

Love it. Leftists always deny the motivating force of self interest unless it concerns themselves.


39 posted on 12/10/2011 3:56:34 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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