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Issa threatens Holder with contempt of Congress charge(Gunwalker)
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 8 December, 2011 | David Codrea

Posted on 12/10/2011 3:31:35 AM PST by marktwain

Following a pattern established in previous hearings, today's House Judiciary Committee hearing produced fireworks from the Republicans and calls for more gun control from the Democrats. The grilling of Eric Holder climaxed at the very end of the day's proceedings, when Rep. Darrell Issa threatened the attorney general with contempt of Congress for his refusal to produce communications and logs, resulting in the embattled top law enforcement officer shooting back a line reminiscent of the McCarthy hearings:

"Have you no shame?"

Among some of the surprises: Holder was not sworn in as Issa had requested. Chairman Lamar Smith indicated the attorney general was already technically under oath.

Per Holder, no one lied.

'It all has to do with your state of mind and whether or not you had the requisite intent to come up with something that would be considered perjury or a lie," he said in reply to a line of questioning by Rep. James Sensenbrenner.

"If we don't get to the bottom of this — and that requires your assistance on that — there is only one alternative that Congress has, and it's called impeachment," Sensenbrenner threatened.

Holder adamantly refused to resign when asked if he would, nor would he indicate anyone else had done anything to merit resignation.

One of the more outrageous abuses of time to stump for gun control instead of determine the truth came from Rep. Hank Johnson of Georgia, who began with the statement that "There is a hole in our gun control laws that is so large that you could drive or fly a space shuttle through it. And it's called the gun show loophole. And so we've got gun shows, thousands of gun shows per year being held throughout America. And we've got untold numbers of licensed gun dealers

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americainperil; atf; banglist; dea; dhs; dncrico; doj; fandfhearing; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; noaccountability; nojustice; nooath; notransparency; notruth; obama; typicalholderlie
The left has always held that lying was perfectly acceptable, as long as it futhered their agenda. They have always denigrated Christian morals as something that have no real meaning. They have nothing if their deceptions are revealed.
1 posted on 12/10/2011 3:31:38 AM PST by marktwain
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker ping.


2 posted on 12/10/2011 3:32:26 AM PST by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain

Lying to your enemies is a tennent of the communist and islamic philosophies.

Why was he not sworn in?


3 posted on 12/10/2011 3:33:40 AM PST by Evergolightly (Ones conclusions are founded in the path traveled.)
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To: marktwain

Is Hank Johnson the nitwit that thought Guam would tip over and capsize with too many people?


4 posted on 12/10/2011 3:39:35 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: marktwain

Personally, I have contempt for this idiot as well as Congress

5 posted on 12/10/2011 3:39:35 AM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: Evergolightly

.......he was “deemed” to have been sworn in.


6 posted on 12/10/2011 3:40:16 AM PST by spokeshave
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To: spokeshave

Let’s find ou who “deemed it” and fire his ass!!!


7 posted on 12/10/2011 3:42:00 AM PST by Evergolightly (Ones conclusions are founded in the path traveled.)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

First up! Ping.


8 posted on 12/10/2011 3:49:10 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Evergolightly

Issa wanted him sworn in. It was denied. Supposedly, holder had received a letter telling him he would be ‘considered’ under oath.


9 posted on 12/10/2011 3:52:32 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: F15Eagle

Yes.


10 posted on 12/10/2011 3:53:15 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Evergolightly

Friday, December 09, 2011 3:02:22 PM · 28 of 49
MestaMachine to thouworm; ColdOne; All
http://www.examiner.com/political-transcripts-in-national/fast-furious-issa-demands-sworn-testimony-holder-says-nobody-has-lied

Thursday, December 8, 2011, immediately following the introduction of Attorney General Eric Holder prior to his testimony before the Fast and Furious Committee of Oversight & Government Reform, Darrell Issa requested that Holder be sworn under oath before any testimony began.

This request was apparently in response to Issa’s belief that Holder had in the past misled or lied to the committee and Issa’s desire that if Holder dared again to evade, mislead or tell any direct falsehoods that Holder be held accountable

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Issa’s request was denied but not until he was assured that Eric Holder had received a letter prior to his appearance that made it clear to Holder that his testimony was under oath and would be subject to all criminal charges.

Immediately, Michelle Malkin tweeted:

What the...ERIC HOLDER IS NOT BEING SWORN IN UNDER OATH. #fastandfurious

Jim Sensenbrenner picked up the Issa banner and skewered Holder with the reminder that “Lying to Congress is a federal felony,” adding that “obviously, there have been statements so misleading that a letter had to be withdrawn.”

“Nobody in the Justice Department has lied!” fired back Holder.

Sensenbrenner scoffed, “What’s the difference between lying and misleading this Congress?”

Legally, explained Holder, “It all has to do with intent.”


11 posted on 12/10/2011 3:58:33 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: F15Eagle

Yes, as someone has already answered. And it is worth noting that he is from Cynthia “Jihad” McKinney’s old district, which should tell you something about Hank’s average voter.


12 posted on 12/10/2011 4:02:24 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: marktwain
I watched the McCarthy hearings on TV in the 1950s. I recall "McCarthyism", the word that CP/USA coined.

Once talk of these hearings began I predicted that the Obama Administration pukes would squawk about being victims of "McCarthyism."

The new HUAC except this time it's Holder's Un-American Activities Cabal (HUAC).

13 posted on 12/10/2011 5:28:45 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: MestaMachine

If the intent of the lying is to protect the liar it is acceptable. What in the world is Holder saying?


14 posted on 12/10/2011 5:32:00 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Government must be taken back from the thieves who have stolen it.)
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To: marktwain

Holder knows he is protected - unless they go all the way and impeach/remove/jail Obama, nothing will happen to Holder.


15 posted on 12/10/2011 5:49:01 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: All
RE: HUAC

Just for the record because I mentioned Senator McCarthy and the House Committee on Un-American Activities above: HCUA is connected to Senator McCarthy only to the extent that CP/USA and the pinko com-symps railed against both and targeted both for destruction. HUAC is of course a pejorative term coined by CP/USA to imply a House UnAmerican Activities Committee (HUAC).

Of course the likes of wiki-graffiti prefer HUAC but I believe that wiki-graffiti at least mentions the real name for the committee.

I recall watching in 1953 when Edward R. Murrow loosed the MSM on Senator Joe McCarthy stating that they had nothing to fear, just destroy him (I do not recall the exact wording but the meaning was clear.)

16 posted on 12/10/2011 5:50:58 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: marktwain
"The left has always held that lying was perfectly acceptable, as long as it futhered their agenda."

Which is why they sympathize with radical Islam.

17 posted on 12/10/2011 5:53:12 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: marktwain

To the LEFT, truth is whatever serves their purpose. Holder means it when he says “it all depends on your state of mind.” If you’re a radical revolutionary trying to destroy the United States from within, disarm the population, and impose serfdom on everyone, Fast and Furious makes perfect sense. Lying is just a tool.


18 posted on 12/10/2011 6:42:39 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: marktwain

That hearing was Jackson Lee and Waters rudely interrupting and all the dems promoting gun show regs while Holder squirmed and lied and used Clintonspeak and I DON’T RECALL.


19 posted on 12/10/2011 6:54:46 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: marktwain
don't threaten... just do it!!!
20 posted on 12/10/2011 7:04:39 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: marktwain
One of the more outrageous abuses of time to stump for gun control instead of determine the truth came from Rep. Hank Johnson of Georgia,

Hey Hank, did Guam ever tip over as you feared? Now there is one of the brightest curly bulbs in congress!!

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I hope no one needed me to add the < /sarc> tag.

21 posted on 12/10/2011 7:34:12 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: marktwain
'It all has to do with your state of mind and whether or not you had the requisite intent to come up with something that would be considered perjury or a lie," he said in reply to a line of questioning by Rep. James Sensenbrenner.

Funny that standard didn't seem to apply when they sent that aide in the Bush administration to jail'.
22 posted on 12/10/2011 7:41:58 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
I want to see Holder arrest himself and snap-on the cuffs before a live audience! That's entertainment.
23 posted on 12/10/2011 9:44:14 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: marktwain
The left has always held that lying was perfectly acceptable, as long as it futhered their agenda.

So have and do any and all Law EnFORCEment entities, with the connivance and agreement of all of the Courts, including the US Supreme Court. Any 'truth' you find by lying is tainted with doubt.

24 posted on 12/10/2011 11:04:26 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Hey Hank, did Guam ever tip over as you feared?

Thankfully they sent those Marines to Australia thereby avoiding that catastrophe.

25 posted on 12/10/2011 11:57:48 AM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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To: marktwain

bttt


26 posted on 12/10/2011 1:54:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: marktwain

Contempt of Congress charge? Seriously?

So the liar-in-chief WALKS then, I take it?


27 posted on 12/10/2011 1:55:01 PM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: marktwain

It seems that all news of the violence in Mexico has disappeared lately,along with any reports of Fast and furious.

So someone is trying to bury this story.


28 posted on 12/10/2011 7:42:39 PM PST by Del Rapier
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To: marktwain

It’s not the scu*bags in high office that are the problem, it’s the scu*bags who elect them again, and again, and again, ad nauseum.

IMHO


29 posted on 12/11/2011 6:18:19 AM PST by ripley
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