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The people's verdict: Most Germans and French DON'T want to stay in Euro
Daily Mail ^ | 10th December 2011 | JASON GROVES

Posted on 12/10/2011 9:42:45 AM PST by Qbert

The deal signed by the eurozone countries still faces huge hurdles, because of simmering tensions between the member states – and growing disenchantment within their own borders.

A startling poll last night showed that only a third of French people believed that their country should stay in the euro indefinitely.

The situation in Germany was scarcely better with support for staying in the single currency long-term standing at just 41 per cent.

The figures were revealed in a ComRes survey for CNN last night. It shows how the leaders pressing for closer integration are dangerously out of touch with their own people.

The poll was conducted across seven eurozone countries. It also found that only 38 per cent in Greece and 37 per cent in Ireland and Portugal wanted to remain in the euro.

The study found that almost half of the French and Germans believe they would be better off outside the euro. Some 42 per cent in both countries said they should never have joined the currency.

Just 37 per cent of people in Germany and 35 per cent in France believe their economies are in better shape because they are in the euro.

In Germany about 40 per cent were also opposed to the idea of closer European integration as championed by Angela Merkel. Only 15 per cent thought EU officials could be trusted to run Germany’s economy. In France, just 20 per cent of people thought EU officials should be handed sweeping powers over the economy.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; eurozone; france; germany; merkel; sarkozy

1 posted on 12/10/2011 9:42:49 AM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert

The workers of Germany and supporting the rest of Europe. Not a good situation.


2 posted on 12/10/2011 9:45:48 AM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: BipolarBob

“The workers of Germany and supporting the rest of Europe.”

Amen to that!!!


3 posted on 12/10/2011 9:50:40 AM PST by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: Qbert

The French and particularly the Germans have finally realized that they have gone into business with their retarded socialist brothers to the south, and that no amount of hard work will ever make the business successful.


4 posted on 12/10/2011 9:53:50 AM PST by festusbanjo (Seriously, of the remaining GOP field, this is the best that we have to offer?)
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To: festusbanjo

Yep. It seems Fredo is in charge and no matter how much money you make nothing is going to change until the people at the top change.


5 posted on 12/10/2011 10:01:30 AM PST by jakerobins
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To: jakerobins

As usual the pols ignore the peasants wishes. “Same as it ever was”


6 posted on 12/10/2011 10:13:46 AM PST by catbertz (Easter egg...I wants it.)
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To: Qbert

Don’t these countries have to have a referendum/election on this latest agreement for it to take effect in those countries?


7 posted on 12/10/2011 10:16:03 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: festusbanjo

Actually, Italy exports more stuff than the Brits (Europe’s Financial capital) and even more than the Japanese - if one considers the population numbers. There was no housing bubble (she enjoys a high ownership rate), and places third in Gold reserves. And...

According to Morgan Stanley, Italians sit on 8.6 trillion euros of net wealth — or about 340,000 euros per household, the highest among major industrial nations.

Plus, though full of problems, you’ll just have to take my subjective word for it, life is much better, sweeter and safer (not to mention tastier) than Germany. And with 60% of the world’s art treasures it’s also prettier.


8 posted on 12/10/2011 10:34:41 AM PST by Youaskedforit
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To: catbertz
Until the same results as usual for Europe happen.


9 posted on 12/10/2011 10:43:29 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Youaskedforit

How are people over there responding to the Federazione Anarchica Informale letter bomb that exploded at the tax office? Think this will escalate as the leftists rebel against the austerity measures?


10 posted on 12/10/2011 10:49:59 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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The people's verdict: Most Germans and French DON'T want to stay in Euro

I saw this coming YEARS ago!! The European countries all have proud histories, but they never wanted to become the United Sates of Europe!! The more that the leftists in Brussels pushed the leftist agenda on all of the EU countries, the more I could see things starting to crack.

Each country has its own means of pride and identification but, little says more about a country than its currency. When the European nations began to abandon their identity by adopting the Euro, I knew it would only be a matter of time.

The EU and the Euro will, IMO, soon go the way of the Dinosaur. It was an interesting experiment but, given the nationalistic pride each country has in itself and its history, this was simply not going to be a permanent situation!!

11 posted on 12/10/2011 10:55:39 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Qbert

It’s just barely in the news. Fringe crazies. Real malcontent still has to kick in. It got some Twitter feedback in the form of dark irony:

«Letter bomb explodes at Equitalia (tax collection office). It was the first instalment»

«Letter bomb sent to Equitalia. 60 million Italians under investigation»

There have been some strikes - the usual ineffectual 3 hour deals and not even by all the acronymns of the confederation. But like the French and Germans, sentiment against United Europe and especially the Euro is on the rise. Should the Euro implode (and it’s hard to imagine that it won’t), ironically the country that stands to suffer the most is Germany. Her strong Mark will put many of her products out of reach and the weaker Lira, free to be adjusted will make Italy’s exports more affordable.

Will there be a resurrectiuon in the Red Brigades during the chaos? Probably. But the Communism of the 70’s is mostly dead here. Much of the working class vote has gone to the Northern League. Plus Italy’s an aging country (the real crisis).


12 posted on 12/10/2011 11:16:32 AM PST by Youaskedforit
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To: BipolarBob

They are surrendering self determination to the EU if they accept this nonsense. Why would the Germans and the French want to be ruled by a committee of amoral, politically correct technocrats who could care less about them and who are untouchable.

The Western elite made a religious ideology out of social and economic globalism. It is a world take over by an elite class claiming they will deliver peace and security and equal wealth distribution upon the globe. It is totally based on faith because there is nothing that supports such promises from centrally controlled top-down rule in the history of mankind.

Globalists what to be the globe’s royality and are concerned about their wealth and power and nothing else. They have no respect for human beings nor for individual freedom and self determination. To top it off, they beleive in eugenics.

I hope the Europeans tell this elite class of wannabe rulers of a global collective to kiss off.


13 posted on 12/10/2011 11:23:48 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
Don’t these countries have to have a referendum/election on this latest agreement for it to take effect in those countries?

You need to ask Nigel LaFarge that question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdob6QRLRJU

14 posted on 12/10/2011 11:37:49 AM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: SaraJohnson; choctaw man

Watch the Youtube video on post 14.


15 posted on 12/10/2011 11:40:11 AM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: Qbert
The governments throughout Western Europe could be overthrown within a year.

Some will goo full-on commie, others fascist. All statist under the banner of free elections and making the trains run on time.

The EU will not end well.

16 posted on 12/10/2011 11:43:27 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Youaskedforit
Believe me, I have been all over Europe and particularly Italy and France, the enjoyment of the simple things in life are evident everyday. That being said, many of the Eurozone countries have nothing in common with Germany, France and the UK beyond geography. It would be akin to the Cayman Islands forming a relationship and hooking their economic future and fortune to Haiti. The Euro was created in a Kumbaya spirit, but based on the wide variances in education, structure, economic and political philosophy, societal expectations and historical reliance on government, it was doomed to fail eventually. The Germans are like a spouse trying to save a very bad marriage for the sake of the kids.
17 posted on 12/10/2011 12:02:18 PM PST by festusbanjo (Want to save America? Bump off a member of the liberal media.)
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To: Qbert

Why should they? It’s like the US and Canada having to support the rest of the western hemisphere. We’re doing enough of that already without sharing the same currency.


18 posted on 12/10/2011 12:06:44 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Qbert

As in the US, they don’t like government-RICO either.


19 posted on 12/10/2011 12:09:52 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp)
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To: BipolarBob

Wow! That guy is a hero! I hope the Europeans listen to him. He’s not kidding nor exaggerating!


20 posted on 12/10/2011 12:32:34 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: DustyMoment

Globalism’s trade will implode, too. I hope. We are in a rush to the bottom (Indian and Chinese poverty) with that scheme. And the “citizen of the world” culture it designed and pushed on the US and Europeans is tribalist, racist, unethical and disgusting. It is lawless.


21 posted on 12/10/2011 12:39:38 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: festusbanjo

You are right Friend Festusbanjo, my only correction would be to say it’s a very bad **gay** marriage because - well - where are the kids?

To be more scientific let’s just say that “anthropologically” we’re too different and whereas some integration was fine, necessary and even physiological, this MASHING (which at the time I myself favored) was a mistake. That’s why I say that these meetings should be about undoing - CTRL-Z - and not about deepening the misery.

Mistakes happen... in fact, much of politics is a lesson in unintended consequences. Look at what welfare did to the blacks of the USA. Or consider multi-culturalism.

Who invented the saying: “The road to hell is paved with good intentions?”

WIKIPEDIA:
The saying is thought to have originated with Saint Bernard of Clairvaux who wrote, “L’enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs” (hell is full of good wishes and desires)

This Saint’s worth on the idea exchange just shot up 10% where as NIKE’S “Just do it” is losing traction!

Viva l’America (especially where banjos are played)


22 posted on 12/10/2011 12:48:34 PM PST by Youaskedforit
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To: Cincinna; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Qbert.


23 posted on 12/10/2011 3:49:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SaraJohnson

>>>>They are surrendering self determination to the EU if they accept this nonsense. Why would the Germans and the French want to be ruled by a committee of amoral, politically correct technocrats who could care less about them and who are untouchable?<<<<

Trouble is that there, much like here, there are 50+ percent of the adult population who prefer to have someone else do the heavy lifting for them. And so they side with the unions, the liberals, the socialists, the greens, the communists...Of course as you say it can’t work because the fewer and fewer can’t support the more and more.

Right now in this country we are fighting a lazy, vindictive, destructive president who uses terms like “fairness” and “luck” and “privilege” and “they” & “them” in hopes of winning just a few more percent to his side of envy and dependency, thereby changing the course of the U.S. forever.


24 posted on 12/10/2011 4:15:02 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: festusbanjo

This kind of insulting statements (”retarded socialist brothers to the south”) are openly promoted by the anglo media. I wonder if this is the last kind of racism allowed.

Just for the record. Italy is a major EU net payer. They pay between 4 and 5 net billion euros to Brussels each year. Italians have never got a net cent from Germany. And Spain will become a net payer soon too.


25 posted on 12/11/2011 7:33:43 AM PST by Euroconservative
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