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Live Thread: Iowa GOP Presidential Debate 9 P.M. EST/ 6 P.M. PST 12/10/11 on ABC Television
Saturday, December 10, 2011 | Kristinn

Posted on 12/10/2011 3:43:05 PM PST by kristinn

Where: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa.

When: 9 p.m. EST, 6 p.m. PST, Saturday, December 10, 2011. Debate scheduled to last two hours.

Broadcast on: ABC Televsion.

Moderators: Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos.

Candidates: Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: debate; elections; gop; iowa; iowagopdebate
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1 posted on 12/10/2011 3:43:15 PM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Another one?
And why are they ignoring Jimmy McMillian?


2 posted on 12/10/2011 3:45:45 PM PST by mnehring
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To: kristinn

Thank you for starting the thread.


3 posted on 12/10/2011 3:46:14 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: kristinn

Why do they do this? Diane Sawyer and George Steponallofus? We need a Mark Levin/Rush Limbaugh/Free Republic moderated debate. A real debate. Enough of this liberal clap trap.


4 posted on 12/10/2011 3:47:10 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: kristinn

Could be some real fireworks between Gingrich and Romney.

The others are sensing desperation so look for some additional grenade tosses from the bleachers.

I’m watching this one.


5 posted on 12/10/2011 3:48:51 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Indy Pendance

Maybe even Donald Trump!


6 posted on 12/10/2011 3:49:58 PM PST by foxfield
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To: kristinn

I’ve pretty much lost all interest in the GOP race since the blamestream media lynched Herman Cain, and all the republicans pretty much let it happen.

I don’t really care anymore.


7 posted on 12/10/2011 3:50:05 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: kristinn

Tonight’s Debate Predictions and Advice (Most Likely Outcomes)

Mitt Romney will get the first question out of the gate and it will be with the moderators trying to start a confrontation between him and Newt. The moderators absolutely won’t ask Newt the first question in an attempt to draw him in after Romney, because they know Newt won’t take the bait and will turn it around on the debate moderators. If Newt’s allowed to do this, then Romney will be foolish to attack because it will be looked at very negatively. So to give Romney the first strike advantage, the moderators will ask him the first question. We’ll then quickly find out if Team Romney has opted to sit back and be safe, or to go on the offensive. My bet is on the latter. That will put pressure on a more confrontational Gingrich response. Depending on Michele or Paul’s projected attacks on Gingrich, if Romney is not getting any traction, he might just leave it to them to do, and try to remain in that calm, boring state the MSM always praises him on.

However, if the debate moderators can’t get Romney and Gingrich fighting, they will most likely turn to Michele Bachmann. Her first question out of the gate will most likely be dealing with comments she made about calling Gingrich a “frugal socialist”. The debate moderator will target the question in regards to Newt and it will be up to Michele to add Romney or face criticism of not going after him. My guess is that Michele’s staffers finally realize they aren’t going to have those projected jobs in the Romney campaign and that it’s all or nothing now for Michele and that she has to strike back. Some of her attacks will definitely stick, but many people will still accuse her of violating Reagan’s 11th Commandment.

For giggles, the moderator will turn to Ron Paul for a pile-on of Gingrich, which Paul will most likely take the bait. Paul will probably get a question on his opinion in regards to what his son Rand said about Newt “not being a conservative”.

Rick Perry should just sit back, give coherent messages, don’t have a brain fart, and when the time is right, drop a Gingrich-line about staying above the fray. Perry doesn’t really need to attack Gingrich or Romney tonight, he should leave that to Bachmann, Paul, and Santorum.

Rick Santorum is going to hit Romney and Gingrich hard, probably on TARP, but look for him to go after Bachmann, Paul, and even possibly Perry as he tries to tout himself as the right conservative choice in the race.

Newt doesn’t need debate advice, though I will say this. In his anticipated confrontational dialogues with Mitt, he needs to look Mitt straight in the eye when speaking. If he’s exceptionally bold, he should find a way to tell Romney to wipe that smirk off his face when Romney pulls his now (in)famous strare-down. (Maybe not as brash as the Baez-Ashton incident from the Casey Anthony Trial), but you get the point.

In the end, this could be the defining night for Gingrich. He will be facing a barrage of attacks on his record from just about everyone on that stage in addition to the debate moderators. If, at the end of the night, he truly survives unscathed and doesn’t suffer a meltdown, then more debates probably aren’t going to make a difference.

If Newt flops under pressure though, then things get interesting. Despite the fact Romney might get some positive attacking points on Gingrich, the reality is it is unlikely to win him any votes. If Bachmann gets her argument across well, she could stand to gain, but if it’s too far out there like the HPV episode, it could negate whatever advantage it would have created. As a person that says we deserved what we got on 9/11, Ron Paul should not be taken seriously, end of story. If Santorum’s attacks stick, he might be in a position for a later surge because he has an upcoming Lincoln-Douglas debate with Gingrich, in addition to a possible one on one in the Trump debate if it’s still held. Santorum could really stand to gain, but like Bachmann, might get criticized if he attacks too negatively, although to his credit, he has gone after just about everyone on stage equally. Rick Perry doesn’t really seem to be going anywhere. He seems best to stay out of the attacks. If everyone else on stage does damage to Newt, but all Bachmann, Santorum, Paul, and Romney seen as negative, then Perry could benefit.

My guess is because we are just a little over 3 weeks away from the first contest, things are going to get heated tonight. Time is running out. It’s kind of like in 1998, when Florida State back-doored its way into the National Championship Game in Football. That season, UCLA, Kansas State, and Tennessee were all undefeated and ahead of one-loss Florida State on the last week of the season. According to Bowden “I said men, We need to keep winning just in case. What if those other guys lost?”. Then on the last week, Bowden said “here we are. This is it. If they don’t lose now, they’re not gonna lose”. UCLA and Kansas State suffered heartbreaking losses that allowed FSU to play for the National Championship.


8 posted on 12/10/2011 3:50:41 PM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: truthkeeper

My pleasure. For those missing Jon Huntsman, he passed on this debate and is campaigning in New Hampashire today.


9 posted on 12/10/2011 3:50:49 PM PST by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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To: kristinn
Here's a list of likely questions that will be asked of the candidates:

1. Do you think that the question of Obama's birth has been resolved completely?

2. Do you agree with Newt that Palestinians are a "made-up" people?

3. Why won't (you) attend Trump's debate at the end of the month?

10 posted on 12/10/2011 3:51:16 PM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: kristinn
Where are Diane and George at this very moment? Huddling with Jarrett, Axelgrease, Gibby, Reid and Pelosi?
11 posted on 12/10/2011 3:51:26 PM PST by JPG (Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.)
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To: kristinn
Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum.

Who is the media going to prop up in Huntsman's absence?

12 posted on 12/10/2011 3:51:34 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: kristinn

Moderators: Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos,OMG,I’m gonna have to watch ABC.


13 posted on 12/10/2011 3:51:50 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: ken5050

Sadly, likely.


14 posted on 12/10/2011 3:53:36 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: kristinn

Is this streamed on the web? Anyone have the link?


15 posted on 12/10/2011 3:54:50 PM PST by garjog
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To: Indy Pendance
"Why do they do this? Diane Sawyer and George Steponallofus? We need a Mark Levin/Rush Limbaugh/Free Republic moderated debate. A real debate. Enough of this liberal clap trap"

The "gang of 5" will kowtow to ABC but they tremble before Trump.

I'll never vote for a coward.

Another song and dance on a MSM network.

I'll bet Steppy won't save Perry like he did Obama

16 posted on 12/10/2011 3:55:07 PM PST by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: kristinn

What’s with George Will? Huntsman? We have a wealth of conservatives in this primary, they’re all being overlooked. That’s why they get a surge. But Newt? The only president I ever voted FOR was Reagan. All others were a vote against. Really, Dole? McCain? This is pathetic. We need the power of prayer. This election should be a slam dunk, now they’re giving us more establishment. This is pathetic.


17 posted on 12/10/2011 3:57:46 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: garjog

Saw this on google news:

“HOW TO WATCH: Airs nationally on the ABC television network and in central Iowa on WOI-TV, Channel 5. Will be livestreamed by those sources and...DesMoinesRegister.”

That would be http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/10/about-tonights-gop-debate/

Yahoo seems to be a sponsor so they may have it somewhere too.
If your online video experience is anything like mine, you should collect half a dozen links and cross your fingers that one of them actually works!


18 posted on 12/10/2011 4:01:35 PM PST by Lady Lucky ( Merry Christmas to all)
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To: Indy Pendance
You must not have been paying attention. We have dozens of media fans here who wet their pants for days at the idea of Donald Trump moderating a debate. Not one person among them has disparaged this liberal-mediated debate with similar vituperation.

Hours for Diane Sawyer and George Snuffleupagous, not one minute for the Donald.

19 posted on 12/10/2011 4:03:29 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: parksstp
Must disagree as to Perry. He needs to have a strong debate. Here's why, IMO.

He can still win the nomination. Bachmann and Santorum will drop out, or be effectively out, after the caucus. Cain's out. These three have between 20-30% of the vote, depending on which state..add to Perry's own + or - 10%, and if he is able to capture the majority of the CBS (Cain/Bachmann/Santorum) evangelical vote, then he can go into SC with a solid 35% of the vote...Mittens will be finished after NH and SC..and it will be a two man race in Florida, Perry and Newt...

20 posted on 12/10/2011 4:04:29 PM PST by ken5050
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To: kristinn
They said they are putting Newt next to Mitt. Considering that Mitt tends to touch...I'd say they were setting Newt up.

Newt is brilliant, is a good leader and knows the system. He just blows everyone away.

21 posted on 12/10/2011 4:07:16 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: PALIN SMITH

I’d love for a REAL conservative debate. Why not Hillsdale college host a debate with constitutionalists moderating it? They’ve only held five thousand debates, what’s another one?

Does anyone care about this, aren’t we debated out? Did you even know this this was happening? Probably not, and who the heck cares.

The blamestream media has lost all their influence, and the “conservative commentators”, who’ve infiltrated our side, have been outed. They are no longer a factor. This is why the polls are rejecting Romney. We don’t want him. Period.

We’re going to nominate our guy, not theirs.


22 posted on 12/10/2011 4:07:34 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: kristinn

mark for later


23 posted on 12/10/2011 4:11:19 PM PST by SweetCaroline (He is the Antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son. 1-John 2:22)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I’m not a Donald fan, but, I realize they are gun shy because he is considering a 3rd party run. Why do a debate if the moderator may perhaps run against you? The Donald debate is illogical. I’d bow out if I were a candidate.


24 posted on 12/10/2011 4:14:31 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: mnehring

And the battle of losers commences...


25 posted on 12/10/2011 4:19:03 PM PST by JosephMama (Huntsman 2012: That other Mormon guy)
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To: kristinn
Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos

Makes about as much sense as Eisenhower putting Berlin Betty in charge of communications before D-Day.

26 posted on 12/10/2011 4:21:43 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican Party is retrograde. And that is not a compliment.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Diane and Stephie are Obama’s most loyal Lewinskys, and they’re okay, but somehow Trump is beyond the pale to ask questions?

Makes zero sense to me.


27 posted on 12/10/2011 4:37:34 PM PST by Argus
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To: kristinn

No Huntsman?! I’m in!


28 posted on 12/10/2011 4:44:44 PM PST by TropicanaRose
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To: Indy Pendance

A-FREAKIN-MEN to what you posted. So sick of lib moderators. Their questions might as well be rolled into one line: “So why are you such a radical, extremist, environmental hater, war lover, out to destroy, immigrants, children, women and the poor polar bears?”


29 posted on 12/10/2011 4:47:43 PM PST by navymom1
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To: Indy Pendance

“I’m not a Donald fan, but, I realize they are gun shy because he is considering a 3rd party run. Why do a debate if the moderator may perhaps run against you? The Donald debate is illogical. I’d bow out if I were a candidate.”

Agreed. Plus anything Trump is involved with is only about one thing... Trump.


30 posted on 12/10/2011 4:47:51 PM PST by Pravious
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To: mdittmar

When it comes to attacking Newt Gingrich..not much difference between Diane Sawyer and Karl Rove.


31 posted on 12/10/2011 4:48:00 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: kristinn

I want a debate moderated by Rusty Humphries, Michael Savage and Jerry Doyle.


32 posted on 12/10/2011 4:48:27 PM PST by Grunthor (Newt, Perry, Santorum, Bachmann. None are worth fighting over.)
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To: Lady Lucky

ABC News say its livestream will start at 8:30 PM EST, so I guess it’s promotional stuff for a 1/2 hour before the debate:
http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2011/12/abc-news-gop-debate-tonight-at-9pm-et-from-iowa/

And here’s the direct link to the ABC homepage, which will likely soon make prominent the livestream link:
http://abcnews.go.com/

Plus Yahoo says it will livestream the debate; here’s the homepage:
http://www.yahoo.com/

Plus this site says it will livestream the debate; looks like it has an embedded ABC feed, either the videobox on top or at the bottom:
http://www.politisite.com/2011/12/10/abc-news-to-hold-primetime-gop-debate-at-drake-university-iowa-on-saturday-december-10/


33 posted on 12/10/2011 4:48:45 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: EGPWS

Friend reported that biased ABC News is already at work.

Mitt Romney! Mitt Romney!

Running with John Sununu quotation without background.

Said they heard it on ABC 7 channel Los Angeles.

Here are the background details that pandering ABC will not give...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2817586/posts


34 posted on 12/10/2011 4:50:02 PM PST by Goldie Lurks (professional moonbat catcher)
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To: navymom1

I’m still snickerin my ass off over the Mooshell had an affair in the tabloid barkin bizz

I’ve written many times...anyone who thinks Barry is satisfyin Mooshell has to also believe givin one french fry to Godzilla guarantees a burp


35 posted on 12/10/2011 4:51:37 PM PST by advertising guy (dammit)
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To: Safrguns
I’ve pretty much lost all interest in the GOP race since the blamestream media lynched Herman Cain, and all the republicans pretty much let it happen... I don’t really care anymore.

I have similar feelings, but the object is to get rid of the Marxist currently in the White House. If it's Newt, so be it.

36 posted on 12/10/2011 4:51:55 PM PST by neocon1984
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To: kristinn

Diane Sawyer?
Yark!


37 posted on 12/10/2011 4:56:09 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: advertising guy

Do tell.


38 posted on 12/10/2011 4:56:27 PM PST by arkady_renko (I want to believe.)
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To: Goldie Lurks

Sununu’s dispute with Gingrich is that the later opposed Sununu’s brilliant political advice the Bush I to break the “no new taxes” pledge. He hates Newt for it, and the old bastard has a long memory. Happily, no one in Iowa gives a damn about what Sununu thinks.


39 posted on 12/10/2011 4:57:19 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: Safrguns

Herman screwed himself.


40 posted on 12/10/2011 4:59:43 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Indy Pendance

It defies all understanding. The Republicans time and again allow leftists to moderate their debates.


41 posted on 12/10/2011 5:02:02 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 53 days away from outliving Marty Feldman)
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To: BCrago66

Thanks! With any luck one of them will work on my favorite computer. We have a geek in the house with a geek-rated computer, but I hate to pull rank and seize it. :o)


42 posted on 12/10/2011 5:03:11 PM PST by Lady Lucky ( Merry Christmas to all)
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To: kristinn
BREAKING NEWS

"THIS JUST IN (1 hour until debate time)
Fox News and ABC website have just called Mitt Romney the debate winner.”

43 posted on 12/10/2011 5:04:11 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: mnehring

None of these heartless candidates care that THE RENT’S TOO DAMNED HIGH!


44 posted on 12/10/2011 5:06:26 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Indy Pendance

That and it is 2 days after Christmas.
I think a lot of the Candidates intend to spend time with family during Christmas.


45 posted on 12/10/2011 5:06:53 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: parksstp

I think your analysis in on the money. But what question: Could you provide details - and maybe a link - on Santorum’s “upcoming Lincoln-Douglas debate with Gingrich”?

Because I never heard of it.


46 posted on 12/10/2011 5:07:29 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: traderrob6

“Could be some real fireworks between Gingrich and Romney”

I just hope Newt will remain positive and on message. Keep the potshots to Mitt at a minimum and take it to Obama and the msm. Let Mitt take the cheap shots.

It appears ABC got approval from the DNC on picking the moderators. No surprise there.


47 posted on 12/10/2011 5:08:25 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Parley Baer

I got this thread goin, another freeper thread goin all while listenin to a Texas HS 6 man state football championship from Abilene Shotwell Stadium on the internet


48 posted on 12/10/2011 5:14:33 PM PST by advertising guy (dammit)
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To: parksstp

Romney going first, given a chance to attack Newt — a good theory, except I can’t envision Romney starting out that way. He’s really not good at frontal attack and initiating same. They’ll need a very leading question.

Bachmann on the other hand would kneecap Newt without an invitation. So would Ron Paul!


49 posted on 12/10/2011 5:14:44 PM PST by Lady Lucky ( Merry Christmas to all)
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To: Lady Lucky

Bachmann attacks other candidates as an end in itself. It never benefits her, but she just keeps doing it anyway. She likes it.


50 posted on 12/10/2011 5:16:51 PM PST by BCrago66
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