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Predator drone spy plane used in civilian arrests
LA Times ^ | December 10, 2011 | Brian Bennett

Posted on 12/10/2011 7:34:07 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

Unmanned aircraft from an Air Force base in North Dakota help local police with surveillance, raising questions that trouble privacy advocates.

Armed with a search warrant, Nelson County Sheriff Kelly Janke went looking for six missing cows on the Brossart family farm in the early evening of June 23. Three men brandishing rifles chased him off, he said.

Janke knew the gunmen could be anywhere on the 3,000-acre spread in eastern North Dakota. Fearful of an armed standoff, he called in reinforcements from the state Highway Patrol, a regional SWAT team, a bomb squad, ambulances and deputy sheriffs from three other counties.

He also called in a Predator B drone.

As the unmanned aircraft circled 2 miles overhead the next morning, sophisticated sensors under the nose helped pinpoint the three suspects and showed they were unarmed. Police rushed in and made the first known arrests of U.S. citizens with help from a Predator, the spy drone that has helped revolutionize modern warfare.

But that was just the start. Local police say they have used two unarmed Predators based at Grand Forks Air Force Base to fly at least two dozen surveillance flights since June. The FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration have used Predators for other domestic investigations, officials said.

"We don't use [drones] on every call out," said Bill Macki, head of the police SWAT team in Grand Forks. "If we have something in town like an apartment complex, we don't call them."

The drones belong to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which operates eight Predators on the country's northern and southwestern borders to search for illegal immigrants and smugglers. The previously unreported use of its drones to assist local, state and federal law enforcement has occurred without any public acknowledgment or debate.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: domesticdrones; donutwatch; drones; dronesbp; dronesle; dronesnd; dronesus; govtabuse; lping; militarizedpolice; policestate; predator; waronliberty
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1 posted on 12/10/2011 7:34:12 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: LucyT

Ping.


2 posted on 12/10/2011 7:34:51 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag
Isn't there something called posse comitatus or something like that says this is not okay?
3 posted on 12/10/2011 7:36:24 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

“”The drones belong to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which operates eight Predators on the country’s northern and southwestern borders to search for illegal immigrants and smugglers.””

Homeland Security is domestic law enforcement. There are some smaller UAV’s that are now being marketed to local law enforcement for aerial surveillance.


4 posted on 12/10/2011 7:39:22 PM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: BenLurkin
That was my very first thought. Though given the current regime, as well as earlier administrations, it seems that they don't recognize the use of military resources against civilians is both wrong AND illegal. Of course, the current regime thinks "illegal" is nothing more than a sick (endangered) bird.

Mark

5 posted on 12/10/2011 7:40:19 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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This is just bad news. PDs are just amp’ing up weaponry without oversight or justification other than the war on drugs. I don’t care how bad these bad guys were. We’re continuing fast down the police state highway.


6 posted on 12/10/2011 7:41:58 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Jet Jaguar
I think we all knew this was coming. The question now is, how long be for they start using Hellfire missiles.
7 posted on 12/10/2011 7:43:02 PM PST by MCF
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To: BenLurkin

“The drones belong to U.S. Customs and Border Protection,...”

Only applies to military forces, not pseudo military forces run by the legislative branch of government.


8 posted on 12/10/2011 7:43:24 PM PST by onceone
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To: Jet Jaguar

gee, that didn’t take long. the first news release of drones being used in civilian airspace went into rotation just this week.


9 posted on 12/10/2011 7:44:08 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (omg - obama must go!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

bm


10 posted on 12/10/2011 7:47:52 PM PST by CJ Wolf (OMG - Obama Must Go!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Coming to a hobby shop near you: ``U.S. Govt to ban all R/C model aircraft which could used to attack drones.``


11 posted on 12/10/2011 7:49:41 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: Jet Jaguar
sophisticated sensors under the nose helped pinpoint the three suspects and showed they were unarmed. Police rushed in

Keep weapons close.

"We don't use [drones] on every call out. If we have something in town like an apartment complex, we don't call them."

Stay anonymously in densely populated areas, not the open range :-)
12 posted on 12/10/2011 7:49:53 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Next step will be Hellfire missiles.


13 posted on 12/10/2011 7:57:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Holding our flawed politicians to higher standards than the enemy’s politicians guarantees they win)
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To: BenLurkin
Only applies to Army and Air Force.

Clearly the Sheriff needed he'p finding the cows.

14 posted on 12/10/2011 8:00:03 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: BenLurkin
Isn't there something called posse comitatus or something like that says this is not okay?

Kind of blurring that line aren't they?
15 posted on 12/10/2011 8:00:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: BenLurkin

There is no surveillance technology yet invented, in any country, that has not used against its citizens (including the USA) - and you can be sure that any future surveillance technology invented, will also be used against citizens of the USA by the US Government.

The best we can hope for is that the citizens do not become so sheep-like that we at least demand clear limits on use of any surveillance technology, and punishment for those Gov’t officials who mis-use it.


16 posted on 12/10/2011 8:01:00 PM PST by PGR88
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To: MCF

It sure would be hard having our Country’s military personnel and equipment used against us as ordered by someone of questionable everything.


17 posted on 12/10/2011 8:01:11 PM PST by mcshot (Neither handsome nor handy but took an oath and will vote to save our Country.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Is this why there aren’t that many black helicopter sightings anymore?


18 posted on 12/10/2011 8:01:37 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: MCF

Many police forces have made use of helicopters for decades.


19 posted on 12/10/2011 8:01:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

can a militia of free citizens get one to fly over DC and keep watch on the denizens who imperil life liberty and property?


20 posted on 12/10/2011 8:03:16 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Jet Jaguar
Local police say they have used two unarmed Predators based at Grand Forks Air Force Base to fly at least two dozen surveillance flights since June.

Unarmed.

Sure.

For now...

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21 posted on 12/10/2011 8:04:30 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Jet Jaguar

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


22 posted on 12/10/2011 8:05:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: cripplecreek; BenLurkin
Isn't there something called posse comitatus or something like that says this is not okay? Kind of blurring that line aren't they?

The trick they are using is the military is transferring weaponry to civilian law enforcement. Or at least pretending to.

23 posted on 12/10/2011 8:06:57 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Holding our flawed politicians to higher standards than the enemy’s politicians guarantees they win)
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To: BenLurkin

If they don’t have them already, there are new drones designed for “hover and stare” surveillance that work like miniature helicopters that are cheap enough even mid-sized police departments will be able to afford them.


24 posted on 12/10/2011 8:07:42 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Jet Jaguar
"We don't use [drones] on every call out," said Bill Macki, head of the police SWAT team in Grand Forks. "If we have something in town like an apartment complex, we don't call them."

Right now there's someone thinking: "Surveillance is very useful in solving crime. Those apartments are a blind spot, though. We need to figure a way to see in there ..."

And that's how the telescreens ended up in every room. I feel much safer now, don't you?

25 posted on 12/10/2011 8:08:02 PM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Predator drones for 6 cows?

“Brandishing rifles”? How does one carry a rifle without “brandishing”?

Why is Eric Holder running around free when a border patrol agent is dead from Fast and Furious? Are cows taking priority?


26 posted on 12/10/2011 8:09:07 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Jet Jaguar

Could have predicted this years ago...

But I’m just a kook, dontcha know.


27 posted on 12/10/2011 8:11:27 PM PST by Cockroach (If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever. 1984 G Orwell)
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To: MCF

August.


28 posted on 12/10/2011 8:11:53 PM PST by null and void (Day 1054 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes arent made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Jet Jaguar

As the former commander of a “pseudo military force”; The CAP, I’d very much put a Predator B into the air instead of an unarmed Cessna 172. This report states that the Customs and Border Protection Service was doing the flying; seems OK to me, given the armed nature of the threat. Bad guys are bad guys, folks, and yes, I see the potential for abuse, making electing the right people all the more important! Keep working to elect the right people!


29 posted on 12/10/2011 8:12:38 PM PST by Ace's Dad (Reagan Contra; in-country off the USS Boulder.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Let’s see.

- Armed men
- Stolen property
- Search warrant

No problem here, however the ease of which the government can implement surveillance is alarming on all fronts, as technology grows in leaps and bounds.

Does casual and passive surveillance from public areas violate anything other than what we feel in spirit?

If so, what about beat cops patrolling your neighborhood?

Or how about border surveillance over a mix of private and public property?


30 posted on 12/10/2011 8:19:38 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Jet Jaguar

If this happened when Bush was President, the Press would be screaming and demanding heads. No matter who owns or controls them, it’s be on Bush’s head. Whew, good thing we have a President who takes so many vacations, or they’d think HE was responsible.


31 posted on 12/10/2011 8:23:40 PM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Jet Jaguar

What happens if drone technology falls into the hands of drug criminals?

Federal laws restricting non-government use of drones coming soon.
No drones for civilians!
Do it for the children!


32 posted on 12/10/2011 8:27:21 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: BenLurkin

The article said the drones belong to Customs and Border Protection, not the military so that would not apply. Many claim since the laws passed after 9/11 and formation of Homeland Security Agency that P/C in reality doesn’t exist anymore.


33 posted on 12/10/2011 8:28:01 PM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: PGR88; BenLurkin
Mr. Finch (Michael Emerson), a mysterious billionaire, developed a computer program for the government that predicts terrorist threats to the US. It was designed as a means to prevent another 9/11-type disaster, but Finch discovered that it was also predicting many "irrelevant" (non-terrorist) crimes. The non-terrorist data is dumped to a separate database and deleted each night. Finch realized that a great many domestic crimes could also be prevented if that data could be used. Finch built a backdoor into the machine that allows him to retrieve a list of Social Security numbers of people who will be involved in those crimes in order of occurrence. Unable to investigate the data on his own, Finch hires John Reese (Jim Caviezel), a former Green Beret and CIA field officer who is presumed dead, to help stop the crimes from taking place. The world thinks that Finch, like Reese, is dead. Finch made the choice of only transmitting the Social Security Numbers of the persons of interest so that if the backdoor is discovered, the government would have no clue as to what the numbers mean or that Finch is still alive.

Opening: narrated by Mr. Finch (Michael Emerson):

“You are being watched. The government has a secret system--a machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because...I built it. I designed the machine to detect acts of terror but it sees everything...violent crimes involving ordinary people; people like you, crimes the government considered irrelevant. They wouldn't act so I decided I would, but I needed a partner--someone with the skills to intervene. Hunted by the authorities, we work in secret. You will never find us. But victim or perpetrator, if your number's up, we'll find you.”

At the point where Finch says "But whether victim or perpetrator, if your number's up, we'll find you", the person of interest of the week is shown. -

Watch current episodes...http://www.cbs.com/shows/person_of_interest


34 posted on 12/10/2011 8:35:58 PM PST by WVKayaker (The GOP needs to live the planks of its platform, not just offer lip service. -Sarah Palin 8/2008)
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To: Usagi_yo

I can promise all of us that live on the border are under close scrutiny, a couple days ago a Border Patrol Agent told my daughter all the places she had gone that day...creepy, just creepy. Yet illegals and drugs are still making it across, makes you wonder.


35 posted on 12/10/2011 8:40:03 PM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Tammy8

Stazi


36 posted on 12/10/2011 8:47:13 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Jet Jaguar

So, this is how it starts.


37 posted on 12/10/2011 8:49:21 PM PST by Sarajevo (Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?)
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To: AlmaKing

Local suburban park districts now have their own police forces. It’s getting ridiculous.


38 posted on 12/10/2011 8:49:59 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Tammy8

The NWO is moving at light speed. Population reduction comes when the economic system collapses and the “useless eaters” are taken down by a few billion.


39 posted on 12/10/2011 8:51:15 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Jet Jaguar; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...
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Ping.

Predator drone spy plane used in civilian arrests

Unmanned aircraft from an Air Force base in North Dakota help local police with surveillance, raising questions that trouble privacy advocates.

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The drones belong to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which operates eight Predators on the country's northern and southwestern borders to search for illegal immigrants and smugglers. The previously unreported use of its drones to assist local, state and federal law enforcement has occurred without any public acknowledgment or debate.

When we exit our homes, the assumption is that we are always camera.

Thanks Jet Jaguar.

40 posted on 12/10/2011 8:57:27 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Jet Jaguar

What a shocker.


41 posted on 12/10/2011 8:57:55 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

” ,,, raising questions that trouble privacy advocates...” John Wayne would be surprised to learn that cattle rustlers have privacy rights that trump private property rights.


42 posted on 12/10/2011 8:58:34 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: the invisib1e hand

The DOD used a drone when looking for the Beltway Snipers.


43 posted on 12/10/2011 8:59:24 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: LucyT
If your computer has a camera, assume you are on camera right now.
44 posted on 12/10/2011 9:02:30 PM PST by null and void (Day 1054 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes arent made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: BenLurkin

Do you think the government believes in posse comitatus?


45 posted on 12/10/2011 9:03:50 PM PST by wastedyears (Not too long you devious little parathyroid. Soon I'll be rid of you and I'll be free.)
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To: LucyT

Don’t worry about it, live in the knowledge that our last moments will be immortalised on Youtube. (sorry).


46 posted on 12/10/2011 9:04:35 PM PST by moose07 (The truth will out, one day. +Merry Christmas to ALL FReepers.)
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To: null and void

Not unless it can see through two layers of black electrical tape.

And if they activated the microphone, they have been listening to “Radio Classics”


47 posted on 12/10/2011 9:10:28 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Is this why there aren’t that many black helicopter sightings anymore?

Not exactly.

Part of it is that most of them are now nanoscale, too small to actually see...


48 posted on 12/10/2011 9:11:51 PM PST by null and void (Day 1054 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes arent made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: AlmaKing
We’re continuing fast down the police state highway.

Yep. Ever been stopped at a "sobriety checkpoint", "seat-belt check point," "child booster seat checkpoint," or "agricultural inspection checkpoint." In some counties there are inspectors that roam neighborhoods to check trash cans to see if the garbage has been properly sorted into recycling bins. If you try to carry several thousand dollars cash through an airport you'll be pulled aside and forced to answer all kinds of questions. But these are all things that are for the safety and health of us all. You have nothing to worry about if you haven't done anything wrong.

49 posted on 12/10/2011 9:12:43 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: AlmaKing
This is just bad news. PDs are just amp’ing up weaponry without oversight or justification other than the war on drugs. I don’t care how bad these bad guys were. We’re continuing fast down the police state highway.

Here in Texas, the Montgomery County Sheriff's Department just got their own drone, and they are excited as all get out about it.
50 posted on 12/10/2011 9:32:27 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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