Skip to comments.Drone Crash in Iran Reveals Secret U.S. Surveillance Effort
Posted on 12/11/2011 12:00:01 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
The stealth C.I.A. drone that crashed deep inside Iranian territory last week was part of a stepped-up surveillance program that has frequently sent the United States most hard-to-detect drone into the country to map suspected nuclear sites, according to foreign officials and American experts who have been briefed on the effort.
Until this week, the high-altitude flights from bases in Afghanistan were among the most secret of many intelligence-collection efforts against Iran, and American officials refuse to discuss it. But the crash of the vehicle, which Iranian officials said occurred more than 140 miles from the border with Afghanistan, blew the programs cover.
The overflights by the bat-winged RQ-170 Sentinel, built by Lockheed Martin and first glimpsed on an airfield in Kandahar, Afghanistan, in 2009, are part of an increasingly aggressive intelligence collection program aimed at Iran, current and former officials say. The urgency of the effort has been underscored by a recent public debate in Israel about whether time is running out for a military strike to slow Irans progress toward a nuclear weapon.....
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What “crash”? Images from Iran showed an intact vehicle.
.........drone that crashed deep inside Iranian territory .......
Deep? I thought that it was near the Afgan border.
I seriously don’t understand why a drone does not have a “black box” like all airliners have, that includes a GPS transponder, and a few pounds of plastic explosive to blow the drone to hell when nesessary!
Zero gave the order that it not be recovered or destroyed.
His gift to the Chinese.
They are trying to spin it. The web is faster than their spin.
I can’t wait to see what the media does with this.
How much more can they stretch their credibility further.
“Why a drone does not have a black box like all airliners have, that includes a GPS transponder, and a few pounds of plastic explosive..”
Okay - now I’m REALLY not going flying again! ;)
Remember Madam Notsobright? “We should not be the only superpower.” There’s your answer. Commies think the same. The Commiecrats still control the Government with help from our enempt Pubies. Time to clean house of the voted for life Congresscritters. Santorum and Bachman are the clearest choices. Both did well in the bebates IMOP!
Maybe landing was the reaction to a loss of control from jamming or something broken on the bird.
We should have blasted it.
I think all our spy drones over Iran should be equiped with tactical nuclear self destruct devices that go off if the plane stops flying.
They should also be kept over Iran’s nuke sites 24/7.
I am waiting breathlessly for the most important response from the White House to explain why we are the most inept military since 2008 .
Another example of Obama’s cowardice and treason.
Sucks to be the airman that was flying that drone.
He’s likely going to be hung out to dry.
I don’t believe it was a mistake. I assume the procedure, if it turns out that the drone cannot get back to base is to drive it in the ground to remove its operational capability.
Not land it gently.
I’d like to know if any of Obama’s appointees was in position to either fly it or give an order to fly it and land it.
The 3rd option is that we have a traitor in the white house and that he has a band of complicate bastards throughout government.
Its a head scratcher.
Don’t hold your breath long......and if someone gets hung out to dry, it won’t be the one truly responsible for this fiasco.
I think you’re right.
But they just can’t say “oopsie” either on a ten million dollar drone. You may as well have forgotten the keys to a tank, while running in for some milk or had a rocket launcher stolen off your back porch.
Somebody is going to pay, if only to provide cover.
Here is something that bugs the crap out of me,
Why is Obama talking smack with Iran as he withdraws our presence in Iraq?
We wont have a soul there by this end of this month.
Why didnt Obama have shit to say about Iran during the Arab spring?
Same with syria
The thing that stinks is the Muslim in the White House.
Bambi is a traitor. He gave away our precious National secrets to our mortal enemies. He must be brought to justice. Soon.
That’s the UFO I saw last summer!!!
First, let me say I am so... thankful for Fox News--
Then they go and show their typical bonehead journalist without a clue card... by posting videos of this...
And this... on their initial story on the RQ-170 incident.
And idiot with thumbs can Google "RQ-170" and get images of it such as this one... from Wikipedia
Gadzooks, is there anyone... at Fox News with any military knowledge or simple common sense?
Now, on the videos from Iran I've circled in red the apparent 'welds' here... and here... where they took off and reattached the wings.
So the Obamanation has certainly allowed his raghead buddies a good, long look at one of our most secret military aircraft!
Bendy? I... have a question--
What is it... honey?
What are those two huge bumps... on the top of the wings?
Hummmm-- I'll tell ya... tonight at bedtime.
Looking at the photograph with the two men standing in front of the “supposed” drone, don’t you think it’s strange that the area beneath the drone is blocked from view? Why would they want to keep you from seeing the underside or landing gear? Strange.........
Is that a “real” drone or perhaps a model copy?
Wonder why they risked a drone when a satllite could see the same thing?,or are they looking at something else??.
Satellites can't take air samples to check for radiation, for one. Nor do they deliver a hellfire missile to a target.
Satellites in low orbit pass overhead rather rapidly. Drones loiter, and grab excellent photos, even in, shall we say, non-visible spectra. Satellites in high orbit may be stationary over a target, true, but the extra distance in that high orbit negates much of that optical resolution. Better to have a low-flying drone.
Better to have a low-flying drone may be true but is the risk worth it?.Can they use the tech to find a way to down one?.
“Looking at the photograph with the two men standing in front of the supposed drone, dont you think its strange that the area beneath the drone is blocked from view? Why would they want to keep you from seeing the underside or landing gear? Strange.........
Is that a real drone or perhaps a model copy?”
If it truly “crash-landed” then the underside would be damaged. But then, why would they want to hide damage? Unless there is no damage and it had a soft controlled landing. Early in the article it mentions that it is a high altitude drone. If it was high altitude then it couldn’t be “seen” with the naked eye to be taken down by an AK47. It sure looks anti-radar-stealth capable so it probably didn’t show up on radar and taken down by a SAM.
You do bring up an interesting possibility; it’s only a model! Why would we acknowledge it as our lost drone when we know it to be fake?
Did Obama actually give the order not to self-destruct? Or is this just a huge misdirection story?
I’m beginning to feel that we’ve been had. Gloriously deceived in every way.
We are living in Alice in Wonderland. Nothing is as it is portrayed.
Since intitial reports said they lost contact with the drone, I would assume that the Iranis were able to jam signals and that may have prevented a "push button" remote destruction. In the past, it would probably have had an auto self-destruct, but with the idiots we have in power today, it may have been nixed due to the possibility of debris falling on "innocent women and children" or the possibiity of it being near someone.
The fact that it landed intact really bothers me. I don't know if it has on-board autocontrols that could find a place to land and execute the landing - that opens the door for one of two things:
1. The pilot had control and landed it.
2. The Iranis had data to be able to control it.
The whole thing stinks like a dumpster behind the fishmarket on a 95 degree day.
I seriously dont understand why a drone does not have a black box like all airliners have, that includes a GPS transponder, and a few pounds of plastic explosive to blow the drone to hell when nesessary!
Everyone has been asking these same questions since the incident but - what if it wasnt accidental? What if we created a mock up and intentionally let the Iranian's get this thing and download some virus filled software onto their computers when they captured it?
I'd like to think this is true but I also remember reading somewhere that this software is very easy to hack in order to take control of one. I think the article even mentioned the Iranians who were doing the hacking.
But - it's also possible Barack OAllah's stealth government allowed this to be captured by the Iranian's - his track record with dealing with the Mad Mullah's is a very poor one, and for a reason.
My fiancee’ read an unsubstantiated report that it was taken down by an EMP which is why it looks so good. He also read that its possible the CIA is running a little covert operation and the drone is a fake. Who knows?
Must have just glided sedately down, and found some flat terrain.
Even out of fuel, its brain, as they say, “wants to live,” so it will maintain level flight control until it meets the ground.
Better its final command should be, “Blow myself into a million bits” while on missions over hostile terrain.
Somebody put the engineering drawings in the U.A.V.? Not likely. But with all the politically-correct crap goin' on out ther' HB1s are probably swarming all over our black programs nowadays -- as Obama apologizes for America racist past, no doubt.
.. or something like this from the Clinton past, a letter published by the Nytimese themselves describes it: "Another example of disregard for the security of our nuclear-weapons information was the elimination of color-coded access-control badges at Energy Department nuclear laboratories, beginning in 1994. Badge color, visible across a large room, displayed one's security status -- badges enabled personnel to readily discern whether there was anyone within hearing range who should be excluded from hearing classified information." Spilling Our Nuclear Secrets.
Or this more reliable source for news here
Back then the Asian Victims of America (AVOA) industry flooded our print and electronic news with howls about yet another victim of this awful country. That victim was Wen Ho Lee who was quickly exonerated -- though Clinton Attorney General Reno expressed concerns and Lee agreed to help find those tapes he made in exchange for being let go. He never did more than send FBI agents on one wild-goose chase after another. I believe. If you read the linked FR article you'll discover that Lee fooled the FBI as a kind of hobby, I suppose. D'oh!
They do. Something or someone failed.
Did they put it in a burka?
Did they put it in a burkha?
It is a bad copy, very bad copy. Nobody has yet pointed out the BBQ grill on the air inlet that does not show on the Kandahar picture in addition to the very crappy leading edge of the wing and front body. The wing junction is not symmetrical. The opening for the air inlet is not correct either. I could make a far better copy out of Styrofoam from the one picture.
Something very screwy about the whole story
I say bullcrap on that assertion by the missile "expert" as the availability to reverse anything is easily obtained. Here is a company I use to do just that. To a tolerance of less than three thousandths of an inch.
FDR, who was George Washington compared to this guy, was surrounded by communist sympathizers, including his second vice president and wife.